Dukakis: Not so sure the dems have it wrapped up for 08

http://www.observer.com/node/57075
Dukakis, Once Burned, Refuses to Be Optimistic About 2008 | The New York Observer

He does come across as Dukie-Downer, but I don't think that was his intent.

We need to be pushing the GOP right into the woodchipper, not coasting or playing tiddlywinks with the last wishes of a dying presidency.

That's what we need. Dukakis & Bradley have been pushing this for a very long time now. Obama's campaign is starting to do some on the ground transition, kicking off with a BBQ for Barak, neighborhood block party type thing. But somebody has got to be ready to connect it to the Dem Party and the local Dem Party has got to accept it. That's what I saw in 2004, the local party would not connect with the Kerry volunteers, and then they often stuck in staffers at the last minute when the volunteers had been working for months. It should be one fluid operation, start to finish. Anybody volunteering for a campaign now should be highly recommended to attend the local Dem meetings.

:rofl:

Ha!! What an image!!!

Why are we still playing nice with these motherfuckers after all this time? Who's being paid and how much? I'm quite serious about the woodchipper. I want to see the GOP and other reactionary forces in this country fucking neutered for forseeable time.

I don't want a gentle win next year. I don't want a "unity" candidate. I want the head of the GOP nominee mounted on the goddamned national wall.

it means more money in the party coffers. If the Democrats lose, it means more money in the party coffers.

like I'm going to listen to a man who took a joyride in a tank. :eyes:

Seems like he learned from his mistakes.

and he's a pretty sharp guy.

It's sad that we don't listen to the greybeards in this society, and it's an inherent human failing; every generation thinks the geezers are out of touch. We have the genius and experience of George McGovern, Gary Hart, Michael Dukakis, Jimmy Carter and a host of others at hand and we should pay attention.

The idea that people who get ridiculed are of no account is a tiresome through-line in society. Who gives a fuck that he made one of the worst photo-ops in modern politics? He paid for that, and to a certain degree we all did, but it would be a supreme waste to not avail ourselves of his considerable political skills. He's an astute political observer and he learned from getting sandbagged by Atwater and the boys.

I see us having a terrible repeat of '84 and '04 rolled up into one big stupid mess: going with the establishment candidate and having it forced through in a far-too-hurried and short primary season. Each election cycle people pop up in abundance sneering how the past has no lessons for us in the current situation. They are disproven each time and they crop up on cue and hold sway the next time like sneering crabgrass.

The very idea that this election is a shoe-in is ridiculous. The right is far from dead and they're very good at getting elected.

If you're only going to hang out with the "cool people" you're never going to learn anything. Some of the butts of jokes are wise beyond your understanding and you should listen to them.

The only people who think Dukakis is an nobody are right-wingers and superficial idiots, so don't listen to them. Read this guy's words and give him a fair listening.

He learned his lesson of local organizing, which Dean is working on while the DLC poo-poohs.

But more than that, it is overall "appeal" which he lacked -- and in my opinion Hillary lacks as well. The locals will be lackluster with struggling volunteers trying to sell her to the general.

Still going with Edwards here -- yes, yes, I know all his supposed negatives.

But sadly the USA at large is still too racist to vote for Obama ---- now -- latent racists will cite "inexperience" as the fake reason for their no vote.

Scaring people into voting for Edwards because of race. I think Illinois has proved America is not too racist to vote for a black man. Virginia has had a black governor, there are black mayors all over the south, I don't think anybody would even be saying this if it were Condi or Powell. I think it's a phony argument.

in today's USA. Wish it were not so -- but it is.

Not among the young - who still do not vote in their potential numbers for whatever reason - college -- disaffection - lack of education whatever.

But it resides in the rest of the "likely voters" whether they admit to it or not.

People who won't vote for Obama, won't vote for any Democrat, no matter what they say to your face.