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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 04:37 PM
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" “Barack is very much human,” Mrs. Obama tells Glamour ... " “So let’s not deify him... "
September 6, 2007, 11:58 am
Tales From the Obama Bedroom
By Katharine Q. Seelye

When is some information too much information?

(snip)

Mrs. Obama has been famous, of course, for humanizing her husband with such homespun details, including his habit of not picking up his socks. Is this useful information? With a voracious media out there, the line is getting blurrier and blurrier. But Mrs. Obama seems to feel it serves a purpose.

“Barack is very much human,” Mrs. Obama tells Glamour in response to a reader who wants to know why Mrs. Obama thinks she has been criticized for discussing her home life in such detail. “So let’s not deify him, because what we do is we deify, and then we’re ready to chop it down. People have notions of what a wife’s role should be in this process, and it’s been a traditional one of blind adoration. My model is a little different — I think most real marriages are.”


http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/09/06/tales-from-the-obamas-bedroom/



Yes, Mrs. Obama, "Barack is very much human", as are all of our candidates. It would serve us all well to remember that, and not deify any of them.


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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 04:45 PM
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1. And let's hope he doesn't talk to Gid like a certain current newsmaker.
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 04:58 PM
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2. another thread about stinky? nt
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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 05:01 PM
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3. No, an OP about a candidate being human.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 05:34 PM
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4. Oh, he's human alright.. though his followers won't admit their candidate has feet of clay...
Hsu Steered Major Fundraiser to Obama Campaign Acknowledges Link to Democratic Donor Who Is Now Under Arrest

By Matthew Mosk and John Solomon

Washington Post Staff Writers

Saturday, September 8, 2007; Page A05

Before becoming a major bundler for Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's presidential campaign, disgraced Democratic donor Norman Hsu helped host a 2005 California event for Barack Obama's political action committee and introduced the senator from Illinois to one of the biggest fundraisers for his presidential bid.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/07/AR2007090703047.html

Don't look on any of the Obama threads. I haven't seen one that dare admit he's tainted...

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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 06:42 PM
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5. The cultlike fervor of some is really astounding, isn't it?
No, they won't admit that he's got feet of clay, let alone tainted in any way. And if you quote his own words, they start spinning like a top. It's a phenomenon that I haven't observed among other candidates' supporters.

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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 07:00 PM
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6. Quoting his own words really seems to confuse/anger them
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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 07:55 PM
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11. Like a red cape to a bull.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 08:03 PM
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12. hmm...some candidates attract all the crybabies..
Obama's mission statement:

"If your thin-skinned, I'm your guy!"
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 08:26 PM
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16. and others attract some pretty nasty people
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 08:56 PM
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24. You know the old sayings...
People who live in glass houses..etc..

And

If you can't take the Heat, get out of the kitchen!
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 08:57 PM
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26. Exactly! Which is why I'm using your own sources against Hillary from now on!
I look forward to your defense!
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 08:59 PM
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29. Whatever!
Edited on Sat Sep-08-07 09:02 PM by Tellurian
I welcome it. Best training for the General..

Bring it!
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 08:32 PM
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17. The crybabies got the mods to make me remove from my sig
A series of links to DU topics demonstrating how "positive" the Obama campaign is (Clinton let Osama go, etc).
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 08:58 PM
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28. Amazing...isn't it?
Obama is treading water and they know it.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 12:29 PM
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41. I thought your sig was great. I'm sure you'll come up with another
:toast:
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ripple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 07:11 PM
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8. Interesting assessment from an Edwards supporter
How, pray tell, does one spin these remarks to make them more palatable?

``The vote on the resolution was the right vote, even in hindsight,'' Edwards, a first-term U.S. senator from North Carolina, said in an interview aboard his campaign plane on Oct. 8. ``It was the right vote to give the president the authority to confront Saddam Hussein,'' he said. ``That's what would have given the president the power that would have allowed the weapons inspectors back into Iraq.''

We must achieve the central goal of disarming Iraq. Of course, the best outcome would be a peaceful resolution of this issue. No one here wants war. We all hope that Saddam Hussein meets his obligations to existing Security Council Resolutions and agrees to disarm, but after 11 years of watching Hussein play shell-games with his weapons programs, there is little reason to believe he has any intention to comply with an even tougher resolution. We cannot trust Saddam Hussein, and we would be irresponsible to do so.

That is why we must be prepared to use force, if necessary, to disarm Saddam Hussein, and eliminate Iraq's weapons of mass destruction once and for all.


And let's not forget his parroting of the Bush administration's 9/11 and Iraq link:

The path of confronting Saddam is full of hazards. But the path of inaction is far more dangerous. This week, a week where we remember the sacrifice of thousands of innocent Americans made on 9/11, the choice could not be starker. Had we known that such attacks were imminent, we surely would have used every means at our disposal to prevent them and take out the plotters. We cannot wait for such a terrible event--or, if weapons of mass destruction are used, one far worse--to address the clear and present danger posed by Saddam Hussein's Iraq .


I agree, spin sucks. The words and actions of our candidates speak for themselves.
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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 07:53 PM
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10. No spin needed. Leave the spinning to the Obama cult in regard to Obama's words.
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ripple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 08:18 PM
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13. What words?? Care to proivide an example?
Do you defend your own candidate's words?
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 08:25 PM
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15. Obama must be crushed because he called a GOP colleague "my good friend."
SB is trying to weave basic decorum into an insidious plot or character flaw or some such nonsense.

Forget the fact that Edwards referred to his colleagues in the very same way when he was in Congress because that's different somehow. I don't know how exactly, but perhaps you can elicit that rationale for our entertainment.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 08:46 PM
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19. The difference, and you know it, is Obama said Coburn was the kind of GOP he admires.
It's more than somebody saying "my good friend from Arizona" or however they speak during Congressional sessions.
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maximusveritas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 08:50 PM
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20. That's not true. He said Coburn was someone he would work with
and then he also said he was a friend of his.
Here's the direct quote:
"I would also seek out people like Tom Coburn, who is probably the most conservative member of the U.S. Senate. He has become a friend of mine."
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 08:52 PM
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21. No, not work with. The kind of Republican he would *SEEK OUT* per your quote.
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maximusveritas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 08:56 PM
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23. Seek out for what other reason?
To admire him?

The question he was asked is what Republicans he would work with. That was part of his answer. There's no debate about this.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 08:57 PM
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27. And Coburn is an anti-gay, anti-woman nutzoid.
Even 'fair and balanced' Obama supporters said they wished he had not mentioned him as an ideal.
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maximusveritas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 09:04 PM
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32. Oh, so we're changing the subject now?
And you're still repeating the lie about Obama calling him "an ideal". This is what I get for trying to show an Edwards supporter the truth. It's a waste of time.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 09:06 PM
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33. Bye bye now! It's not fun discussing anything with you! :)
Edited on Sat Sep-08-07 09:08 PM by Bluebear
PS here's a thread for you

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1765420#1765464

and maybe don't be so ugly towards your fellow DUers. We all just want a Democrat to be in the White House OK?
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maximusveritas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 09:12 PM
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34. Sorry, but I have no patience for people who refuse to admit they were wrong
and especially those who continue to push misinformation after being pointed out the truth. If you want to support Edwards, that's fine. Just don't attack other candidates with misinformation. Take care.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 08:53 PM
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22. Putting Republicans in your cabinet is better, I guess
Edwards is carrying around a list in his pocket.

Fresh today:


Edwards' Cabinet List Includes GOP Names

NASHUA, N.H. (AP) — Democratic presidential candidate John Edwards carries a running list of people he might put in his Cabinet, and it includes “more than one” Republican.

“I want to be ready for when I get sworn in,” the former North Carolina senator said between campaigns stops as he dug into a travel bag for the list.

“I might have it with me,” Edwards told The Associated Press. “I wouldn’t show it to you, but I could have it with me.”

He didn’t hand over the list, nor did he commit to putting Republicans in his Cabinet.

“No, because the test for me is not whether they’re Democratic or Republican. The test is how competent they are and whether they’re the best person for the job, and to make a decision about who’s best to choose you have to spend time talking to them,” said the 2004 Democratic vice presidential candidate.


http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hN1BF1pYTXf63Z0xkLeL4IA5QICw


We don't know who these Republicans are, of course. Ooooh, maybe Coburn's on there. :scared:
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 08:56 PM
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25. Oh, I know better than to have a go with Obama supporters, here, Wes
In fact I put my Edwards avatar in after being called all sorts of names in GDP one night. I just thought it important to clarify that it was not Obama saying "my good friend from Oklahoma" on the Senate floor as the poster suggested. Ciao!
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 08:59 PM
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30. Bye bye, Bluebear
:hi:
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 09:00 PM
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31. XOXOX
See you in GD lol!
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 12:40 PM
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42. Best qualified despite party affiliation ?
Sounds good to me. Many great Presidents chose that route because they want to be challenged, not live in a bubble.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 09:08 AM
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44. I have no problem with the concept myself
As long as they are not key positions. My problem is the hypocrisy in this thread. Obama baaaad; Edwards goooood.
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venable Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 11:02 PM
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35. give it up, pay attention to the current words
and you might find Edwards a bit more palatable than you do.


and by the way, if one had been told by George Tenet that Saddam had WMD and he was going to make them available for use - which is exactly what tenet said to edwards - then these quotes make good sense.

that's not spin, that's called context.


in the meantime - who is more anti-war TODAY than Edwards. Kucinich is more adamant about exiting fully right now, but the rest are politicking period. IMO.
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ripple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 02:00 AM
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37. There are no do-overs when it comes to war
Edwards himself admitted that he hadn't read the National Intelligence Estimate before leading us into Iraq. There is simply no excuse for that.

What Edwards says today should be taken with a huge grain of salt. He can play armchair quarterback all he wants, but his record doesn't match his words.
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venable Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 02:27 AM
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38. not going to do this for the zillionth time, so i will just say
you don't buy his words, I do.

I think his words match his thoughts and convictions. You don't.
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ripple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 02:43 AM
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39. Fair enough. I happen to believe Obama
after all, his actions have been true to his words- even before he was running for president.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 07:08 PM
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7. The lesson goes for supporters of every candidate!!
Edwards and Hillary's supporters have even MORE problems to understand that, I think!!
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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 07:50 PM
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9. As I stated in the OP, "Yes, Mrs. Obama, "Barack is very much human", as are all of our candidates.
... It would serve us all well to remember that, and not deify any of them."

I support John Edwards; I don't deify him... unlike certain cultlike Obama supporters who deify their candidate. It's unfortunate that they don't take Mrs. Obama's words to heart.

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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 08:21 PM
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14. you don't deify Edwards -- you make excuses for his actions
And that takes all kinds of imagination and spin to change a hawk into a dove.

Now that's a magical transformation!
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venable Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 11:59 PM
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36. as bad as deification is, demonization is no better.
the repubs do both, as do many here

HRC is clearly demonized here, as is Edwards (by many).

Obama (and, formerly, Clark) is deified. My problem is not with Obama, or Clark, it's the way they are treated, which is as if they are persons that they simply are not.

Why can't your candidate just be a good man or woman with flaws and strengths, and the strengths outweigh the flaws.

And why can't the candidates you don't like simply be persons you, on balance, don't support. they are not, as HRC and Edwards are treated, devils.

and, anyway, the transformation of edwards is not as you say. rather it is:

a dove with good intentions and bad info into a dove who has come to realize that there are people (w, cheney, tenet) who must never be believed.

that's not magic, that's life.
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maximusveritas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 08:43 PM
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18. So what exactly is the line between supporting and deifying?
Because if you haven't crossed it, I'd like to see who has.
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 11:59 AM
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40. I actually like her statement.....
It's more of a GOP thing to expect their candidate to be some kind of messiah/savior/grand "Judeo/Xtian" values poobah.

I just want an INTELIGENT person who can skilled in the art of communication and can apply logic and strategy and diplomacy to the toughest job in the world. The opposite of what we have with GWB!
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libodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 12:59 PM
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43. I don't care how human
Michelle wants to make him, I don't want to think that he smells bad in the morning. I think he's good looking and want to believe he smells like Aqua Velva at all times. I'm impressed with, Michelle, as being serious and smart. I don't want to see her as humorless and snotty. She needs to lighten up.
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