Hillary's only complaint is that we haven't killed enough Iraqis

and haven't done it at less cost to ourselves.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3812917546657082774&q=Clinton+petraeus&total=7&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

How can anyone support Hillary after this speech? She does not disagree with the War in Iraq. She merely disagrees about how it was conducted.

We were right to support the peacekeeping mission in Bosnia, which took place in the middle of a civil war in which ethnic cleansing was in process. We were not right to invade Iraq and set off a process of ethnic cleansing.

That is a great video from January of this year when she challenged Gen. Petraeus.

Hillary fans should re-watch to be reminded and feel further emboldened as to to what kind of a force she really is and her obvious depth of understanding of our situation on the ground.

Edwards and Obama supports should avoid this video - it will make you sick to your stomach when your realize that you are supporting a pair of empty suits.

This video doesn't say anything like what the op claims, but her expertise still comes off as half-assed apologist BS to those who want out and now. She opposes using strong means to force us out, and is looking for an exit strategy that is so "responsible" that we may never leave at all. But in her defense, she is essentially correct in her criticisms on how the war is being run.

Being right that the war is being fought wrong is not the same as being against the war or for us leaving. And all of her honest expertise on how to fight it better is essentially meaningless if the best possible solution is just to leave. Even worst case scenario, flat out leaving may cause less death and destruction than staying for any further length of time. More to the point, if you disregard both the detriments and benefits to Iraqi lives and welfare, leaving immediately is in the best strategic interest of the United States. Period. As a nation, we stand to gain nothing from this war, yet we stand to lose a tremendous amount. End it.

This is just nuts. She is a neocon. Period.

It's just a bunch of whining for cover before she votes to continue the same policies. She and Sen. Collins are supposed to be our salvation? Oh yeah, add Rupert Murdoch to the mix, he'll fix it with their help.

If she wins the nomination the war continues. If she wins the White House the war continues. If she loses the White House the war continues.

One of the above will happen. America is very screwed.

What exactly do you think a neocon is?

Don't answer - I can hear it now - Blah, Blah, Blah.

What did she do?

Yeah, I listened to a bunch of bullshit about how she wants Petraeus to do better. So what?

She's your girl. You can have her. November '08 doesn't matter at all, nothing will change.

"... she wants Petraeus to do better".

At the time that video was made Gen. Petraeus didn't yet have the job that would have allowed him "to do better".

What is a neocon in your mind?

What did she do? She complained, supported a resolution with a Republican whining about the war. Asserted her leadership in Kosovo engagement.

It was a bunch of whining, talk.

What did she do?

As I said, you'll get your girl, and we'll all be fucked no matter who wins.

Or do you just like being lead around by the nose?

Expect more out of you...did you watch it?

He said no options are off the table when it comes to Iran AKA nuke Iran. Also said he'd be willing to unilaterally invade another sovereign nation, Pakistan.



Obama and Clinton both have very strong ties to AIPAC, need I say more ?

I'm reporting you to Lieberman.

I'm not a Hillary supporter, but wow, a little much of a logical leap here?

and her ilk to accept FAILURE ... because that is what Iraq is. And deservedly so.

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This is deeply misleading and has racist overtones. However, I suppose it appeals to the majority of Americans, who don't want to believe that the real reason we are failing is few truly patriotic Iraqis can support our mission.

Sigh....it's a depressing time to be an American citizen. What we need is leaders who have the courage to tell us the truth, not cater to illusions.

All that said, I agreed with Hilllary's critique of the lack of international presence in Iraq. But she doesn't mention the obvious reason for this--the dishonest pretext for our invasion, and the transparently immoral reasons we are actually there.

Hillary did seem sincere and emotionally convincing in her outrage over the failure to establish security. But I can't take her seriously because she isn't telling the truth about why we are there and why we need to change policy. It's as if she agrees with the "mission" (whatever that is supposed to be).

Both Edwards and Richardson (not to mention Kucinich and Paul) are speaking much more sincerely about this issue to the American people.

She did it at an earlier debate in NH and at Moveon.org, where she was booed for it. In classic Hilly fashion, she realized this line of reasoning wasn't winning her any points so she junked it.

Here, she rips into, "The failures of the Iraqis to step up and assume responsibility for their own future." But this was in January; it was a different Hillary back then...8 months in the life of a wind sock is an eternity.

It's disgraceful that she ever thought that was a wise thing to say, after we turned their country upside down unilaterally, but I don't hear her talk like that anymore. Still, the fact that she had the bad taste to do it at all is another reason to look elsewhere for a president in my book.

we haven't killed enough Iraqis.