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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 11:45 AM
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Sirota: Anyone want to see what the Hostile Takeover of the Dem Party looks like?NewDem PAC Retreat
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I wrote a whole book on the hostile takeover of our government by Big Money interests - but if anyone wants to see a good example of what that means with respect specifically to the Democratic Party, please take a look at this - and specifically starting from page 7 on. It is literally well-documented proof of an army of lobbyists descending on Democratic lawmakers - many of those lobbyists former Democratic Capitol Hill staffers.
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Start at Page 7
http://www.ndcpac.com/files/PRECON_JUNE2007.pdf
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 11:51 AM
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1. Sirota's daily schedule
1. Wake up
2. Pee
3. breakfast
4. find something to be outraged about
5. bitch, moan, whine, complain
6. lunch
7. bitch, moan, whine, complain
8. dinner
9. bitch, moan, whine, complain
19. sleep
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 11:52 AM
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2. The truth hurts, doesn't it? n/t
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 11:54 AM
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4. I'm glad you agree with my post. By the way, that list looks like...
... Howard Dean's list of contributors to the Democratic Business Council.
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 11:56 AM
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5. No, you got it wrong, pal. I don't agree with you at all. Thanks for kicking the thread though.
n/t
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 11:57 AM
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6. oh, so, you think Sirota has actually uncovered something sinister?
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 11:58 AM
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7. Well, if you want to call the truth "something sinister..." n/t
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 11:59 AM
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8. deleted -- posted in wrong spot - n/t
Edited on Tue Sep-11-07 12:00 PM by antigop
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 12:01 PM
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12. ok. let's back up. Explain how this is a "hostile takeover" of the Dem party.
:shrug:
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 12:44 PM
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31. As you know, in business, a "hostile" takeover is a takeover that the people being taken over don't
want. No shots are fired, no gangs fight in the halls, but it's called "hostile" because it's against their will, usually because the people doing the taking over have an advatange of some kind... usually monetary.

I feel this Party is being taken over against my will. And, the advantage of those who are taking over is monetary. Corporate, in fact.

TC
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 12:48 PM
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32. ok, but how this is a "hostile takeover" of the Dem party?
As you know, the Dem party is huge and officially governed by the DNC. The article in question references a PAC of New Dems who aren't a part of the official governing body of the Democratic party.

Further, to hear the wisdom of the netroots, New Democrats are finished, irrelevant, dead, gone, buried...
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 01:21 PM
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41. No, oh Yoda......
Please tell ME how it ISN'T.

TC
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 01:23 PM
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42. LOL! Thought so. Master Sirota speaks, you unquestionably believe.
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 01:28 PM
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48. No, see... I answered you, and all you did was repeat that message you're spamming this thread with.
So, I figured, maybe there was something I was missing... something only you knew. So, I'm asking you to tell US how it ISN'T a "hostile takeover". You're so much smarter than we are. You MUST know what the answer is. So, tell us!

TC
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 01:29 PM
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50. you gave an business analogy. How did it equate with a takeover of the Dem party? Simple question.
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 01:37 PM
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63. I thought you guys wanted it "all business all the time".
What other kind of "hostile takeover" is there? You want to see a storming of the moat before you see my point?

TC
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 01:39 PM
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65. I used to think you guys thought in a rational way
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 11:59 PM
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79. Do you still think anyone cares what (or if) YOU think?
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 05:28 AM
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83. much more so that what YOU think (RAWWWWWKS)
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 07:33 AM
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88. Keepin thinkin' that..it's fun to watch.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 07:35 AM
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89. I find it amazing you can even grasp it.
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 07:28 PM
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97. Grasp this, Corpo Bot.
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 12:16 PM
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21. My, My, My... I Didn't Think You Could Surprise Me Anymore! nt
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 12:22 PM
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23. Explain how this is a "hostile takeover" of the Dem party.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 12:25 PM
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24. we know how you love those corporatist, sell-out "democrats"
D-L-C! D-L-C! :puke:
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 12:30 PM
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27. Explain how this is a "hostile takeover" of the Dem party.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 12:36 PM
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28. corporate owned Dems-sad but true.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 12:37 PM
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29. Explain how this is a "hostile takeover" of the Dem party.
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 12:42 PM
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30. Can You Make That Into A Song??? Read The List! n/t
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 12:49 PM
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33. Can you explain how this is a "hostile takeover" of the Dem party?
Edited on Tue Sep-11-07 12:50 PM by wyldwolf
As you know, the Dem party is huge and officially governed by the DNC. The article in question references a PAC of New Dems who aren't a part of the official governing body of the Democratic party.

Further, to hear the wisdom of the netroots, New Democrats are finished, irrelevant, dead, gone, buried...

So which is it?
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 01:30 PM
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51. He's playing with you. He doesn't know the answer to his own question.
Even if you try and answer him, he repeats it over and over (the mods might call it "spamming").

I think HE should tell us the answer to his question, and then we can feel educated. :eyes:


TC
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 01:31 PM
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53. The anwer to my own question is it DOES NOT equate to a taleover of the Dem party.
:eyes:
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 01:35 PM
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Well, it wouldn't, would it? Uh-duh.
Why can't you just allow others to have their own views and opinions without bullying like this?

I just don't get it.

TC
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 01:11 PM
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37. Ok-the Dems in the last century, have been the party of the people. They brought
us hope, jobs and a middle class during the new deal. They gave us social justice with the Voting Rights Act. they have stood with the unions to protect workers rights. Then came the Clinton Administration, they pushed the Democratic Party toward the right and toward policies that helped corporate America but were devastating to the middle class. Trade agreements outsourced well paying jobs overseas while providing a windfall for corporate profit.
"Between 1982 and 1995, the wealth of the 400 richest families jumped from $92 billion to $480 billion. In the same time period, the cost of living rose faster than the avg wage of the ordinary working people. People earning an avg wage could by 15% less in 1995 than 1982." -snip "In 1998, a third of all working people in the country didn't earn enough to lift them above the government's official poverty level."(Source:Vol 2 A Young Peoples's History of the United States by Howard Zinn pg 168). This was at a time of huge budget surpluses.

So back to the "hostile takeover". A portion of our party has changed from the party of the people to (as the list on page 7 indiciates) the party of corporate interest.


BTW I highly recommend the 2 volume Houward Zinn set for parents of children. It's time our kids learned history based on fact, not glossed over faux patriotism.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 01:17 PM
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38. but this doesn't explain Sirota's claim of a hostile takeover of the Dem party
As you know, the Dem party is huge and officially governed by the DNC. The article in question references a PAC of New Dems who aren't a part of the official governing body of the Democratic party.

Was the DNC or a representative there? Was this sanctioned by Howard Dean? Or even the DSCC or DCCC?

Further, to hear the wisdom of the netroots, New Democrats are finished, irrelevant, dead, gone, buried...

So if I'm to take people like KOS, Arianna Huffington, and even David Sirota seriously, this even Sirota lamenting is just a blip on the radar. Afterall, the new dems (DLC, etc.) and dead.
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 01:32 PM
Response to Reply #38
55. See what I'm saying... no answer is good enough for you. We are stupid.
No matter what anyone says in answer to your question, it's not right, or enough, or doesn't use the right words... what?

TC
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 01:34 PM
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57. Hey, TC -- we get a kick each time WOW! 577 Views! n/t
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 01:34 PM
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58. Sirota, KOS, etc. can't have it both ways. Either the New Dems are dead and irrelevant OR....
...they're alive and taking over the Dem party. (Did someone send Dean a memo to the DNC?)
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Hawkowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 12:08 AM
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81. Deliberately obtuse you are nt
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 05:29 AM
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84. deliberately naive you are.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 01:33 PM
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56. Heres more: (Trade-good for corporations, bad for the people)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1775514
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 01:36 PM
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60. Sirota, KOS, etc. can't have it both ways. Either the New Dems are dead and irrelevant OR....
...they're alive and taking over the Dem party. (Did someone send Dean a memo to the DNC?)
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 01:40 PM
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68. they are attempting to derail the Dem party by siding w the Republicans.
Edited on Tue Sep-11-07 01:42 PM by mod mom
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 01:46 PM
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70. did the OP state that?
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 12:00 AM
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80. Jagoff Joe, is that you?
(Bonus points if you guess which jagoff.)
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 07:36 AM
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90. jergoff Jim, is that you? You RAWWWWWWWKKK (LOL!)
Edited on Wed Sep-12-07 07:37 AM by wyldwolf
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 06:09 AM
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85. Don't forget: "Badmouth Democrats," "Think of fresh new ways to screw things up for the Democrats."
Edited on Wed Sep-12-07 06:10 AM by Perry Logan
Karl Rove would love this guy.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 11:52 AM
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3. How is it hostile? Even grassroots dems are turning a blind eye.
And they're not even getting any perks.

:shrug:
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 11:59 AM
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9. Grassroots Dems aren't turning a blind eye.
It's why they stay home on election day.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 12:01 PM
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13. *sigh*
Are those the grassroots dems?

I thought the grassroots dems were the ones chiding / insulting the kind you mentioned.
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 12:13 PM
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19. Well, I'm Sure Fed Up & Don't Think ANYTHING I Do As ONE Person
does any good. All you have to do is think about Cindy Sheehan... she tried and now many consider her the NEW Jane Fonda! Sure, she made some wrong turns, but she was out in front and had not been indoctrinated as to what would happen to her because of what she wanted to accomplish. Many today think Cindy Sheehan is a shill. I don't think that was her intent, and I'm sure she feels what she started became "fodder" for something she didn't see coming!

At least when we demonstrated back then, we had a following and our Government FINALLY heard us!

Now, we seem only to be a gnat that's just annoying them! THEY keep playing their games and we keep losing more and more!
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 11:59 AM
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10. Ok, folks, watch this thread. How many diversions and attacks will there be? n/t
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 12:02 PM
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14. and also see how many times the following question/ request is avoided:
Explain how this is a "hostile takeover" of the Dem party.
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 12:09 PM
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17. I would suggest you read his book.... n/t
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 12:19 PM
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22. I'm counting twice so far.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 01:25 PM
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43. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 01:27 PM
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45. I have read it. How does that equate to a takeover of the Democratic party? Simple question....
...should have a simple answer. :shrug:

Why not either admit you don't know or just say when Master Sirota speaks, you believe him without question?
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 01:28 PM
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47. Non sequitur n/t
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 01:30 PM
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52. So Master Sirota speaks, and you follow...
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 12:59 PM
Response to Reply #14
34. If Anyone Answers You'll Just Ask Another Question... It's NOT Worth
the bother!
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 01:00 PM
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35. so in other words, you don't know.
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 01:17 PM
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39. Non sequitur n/t
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 01:21 PM
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40. and you don't either.
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 01:26 PM
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44. Non sequitur again. n/t
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 01:28 PM
Response to Reply #44
46. and you admit you don't know again.
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 01:28 PM
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49. Another non sequitur -- thanks for kicking the thread! n/t
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 01:32 PM
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54. and you admit you don't know again.
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 01:35 PM
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59. No -- look up what "non-sequitur" means. Thanks for the kick, though. n/t
Edited on Tue Sep-11-07 01:36 PM by antigop
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 01:37 PM
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62. I know what it means. But you using it to divert from the fact you haven't a clue.
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 01:38 PM
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64. HA! You don't.. Thanks for the kick -- LOOK at all those views! n/t
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 01:40 PM
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66. So you can't answer the question?
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Ian_rd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 02:26 PM
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74. And your question still hasn't been answered.
It's hard to call it a "hostile" takeover because most of the Democrats themselves happily schmooze with these corporate lobbyists knowing that they're building connections that will increase their financial support for campaigns. But many rank-and-filers consider it a hostile takeover because they see the same forces that control the Republican Party making friends in the Democratic Party to gain Democratic Party support for their agendas - agendas which are frequently in complete opposition to the agendas of the Democratic base - such as policies that favor the interests of corporate CEOs and the rest of the wealthy class at the expense of the working-class, the environment, and the poor.

You also talk about the contradiction between people saying that the "New Dems" are doomed, while at the same time saying that they're "taking over." I would characterize it differently. Instead of thinking of it as politicians being either "doomed" or "taking over," think of it as an agenda being either doomed or taking over. When Democrats adopt the policies of their Republican opponents, sure they're doomed when liberals don't turn out to vote and they lose the election, but their agenda wins - the agenda that they accepted from the corporate lobbyists - the agenda that has run the Republican Party for half a century.

When Democrats adopt the agenda of corporate lobbyists and lose elections, the lobbyists' agenda still wins.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 02:29 PM
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75. no, sorry. The same mouth claiming this is a hostile takeover has also claimed...
...the new dem movement is weakened/dead/irrelevant. The two conflicting viewpoints simply cannot be reconciled. To try to do so is kind of Orwellian.
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Ian_rd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 02:36 PM
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76. I wasn't speaking for anyone else
Just offering my opinion on the subjects.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 02:37 PM
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77. opinion noted. Thanks.
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 12:01 PM
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11. Well, I'm not a Congressman or a lobbyist.
But, I did stay at the Holiday Inn Express around the corner.
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 12:05 PM
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16. DING, DING, DING!!! n/t
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 12:27 PM
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26. .
:rofl:


TC
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 12:03 PM
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15. I Just Printed This Whole Thing... As John Dean Said Las Night On
KO, IF another Repuke gets elected as President then we have a serious problem on our hands. He stated that it's up to "THE PEOPLE" of America to make the change.

As I've said many many many times before... we need ANOTHER Boston (Green) Tea Party or simply put, A REVOLUTION! Their leaders and OUR leaders know what GREEN means when it comes to stuffing THEIR BANK ACCOUNTS!

Maybe not in MY lifetime will it be the worst of the worst, but for my kids it will NEVER get better until THE PEOPLE OF AMERICA, mobilize and REALIZE that the ride should be OVER for this type of corruption. But, as always... NOTHING gets done and we are getting SCREWED, as we sit here and blog away! I too am guilty because I've given up and vowed that UNTIL I actually see something of substance happening, I will no longer bare my soul by writing LTTE, calling Senators and Reps, joining in my lame local government sign endless petitions or any of these things, ONLY to be branded a TRAITOR!

I have no other answer than to say we must find SOME WAY to send an overwhelming message to POWER! When protesters are made a to SHUT-UP and even have OUR leaders denigrate them, I can only feel a certain amount of DESPERATION! Even John Kerry, who PROTESTED himself put them down! That WAS sad and of all people, I was shocked by his reaction! Where do we turn, when even our own turn against US??

Talk about ASS-KISSING!!!
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 12:12 PM
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18. pretty much says it all
pages of corporate representatives, no representation of the people.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 12:16 PM
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20. NewDem Pac SECOND ANNUAL RETREAT: "Supporters and Friends"
NewDemPAC
SECOND ANNUAL RETREAT

June 7, 2007

Dear Retreat Participant:

We are delighted that you plan to join us for our second annual NewDem PAC Retreat at the Hyatt Regency Chesapeake Bay, Cambridge, Maryland. We are amazed by the overwhelming response to this event with almost 300 participants registered, including 20 NewDem Members.

Our program this year will be led by New Democrat Coalition Chair Representative Ellen Tauscher, PAC Chair Representative Adam Smith, PAC Co-Chair and NewDem Whip Representative Joseph Crowley, and NewDem Vice Chairs Representatives Artur Davis and Ron Kind.

The NewDem Second Annual Retreat will provide an opportunity to discuss important and challenging issues facing Congress, including Trade, Health Care, and Energy Independence and Security.

NewDem PAC Supporters and Friends Attending the Retreat

Josh Ackil, Information Technology Industry
Brian Adkins, Embarq
Cory Alexander, Fannie Mae
Edward An, Time Warner
Zak Andersen, Burlington Northern Santa Fe
Bruce Andrews, Ford
Amy Andryszak, AT&T
Rob Atkinson, Information Technology and Innovation Foundation
Don Auerbach, Investment Company Institute
Shane Austin, St. Paul Travelers
Matt Bai, The New York Times Magazine
Peter Begans, Medco
Ricardo Bernal, Washington Group International
Rachelle Bernstecker, American Seniors Housing Association
Victoria Blatter, Merck
Holly Bode, UnitedHealth Group
Jim Bonham, Brown Rudnick
Lyndon Boozer, AT&T
Tammy Boyd, Johnson & Johnson
Marshall Brachman, Washington, DC
Chuck Brain, Capitol Hill Strategies
Paul Brathwaite, The Podesta Group
Alix Burns, Bay Bridge Strategies
Sean Callinicos, Sanofi Pasteur
Melika Carroll, Micron
Rick Carter, PG&E
David Castagnetti, Mehlman Vogel Castagnetti
Jennifer Cetta, T-Mobile
Allen Chew, Credit Union National Association
Jeff Cohen, Federation of American Hospitals
Jason Cole, UBS
Jeff Connaughton, Quinn Gillespie & Associates
David Conover, David Conover and Associates
Sara Conrad, The Conrad Group
Megan Cundari, American Hospital Association
Page 8 of 10
Hon. Jim Davis, Holland and Knight
Priya Dayananda, KPMG
Jeanne Delgado, National Multi Housing Council
Lisa Dinackus, American Institute of Certified Public Accountants
Gloria Dittus, Dittus Communications
Andy Dodson, Bockorny Group
Julie Domenick, Multiple Strategies
Sean Donohue, Eli Lilly and Company
Jennifer Dowling, NVCA
David Drake, Novartis
Maurie Dugger, Edison Electric Institute
Emily Duncan, Exelon Corporation
Marty Durbin, American Chemistry Council
Renee Eastman, Salt River Project
Susan Eerdmans, AmerisourceBergen
Langston Emerson, NAREIT
Anne Fabry, Brown Rudnick
Pete Filon, Comcast
Alex Flint, Nuclear Energy Institute
Claude Fontheim, Fontheim International
Elizabeth Fox, AFLAC
Monique Frazier, HSBC North America
Shawn Gallagher, AIG
Matt Gelman, Microsoft
Robert Getzoff, Citi
David Gilbert, Constellation Energy Group
Mary Gordon, Nortel
Jamie Gregory, National Association of Realtors
Robert Griner, J.P. Morgan Chase
Tony Hadley, Experian Information Solutions
Bryant Hall, PhRMA
Rob Hall, INVISTA
Sherry Harper, O'Connor & Hannan
Jim Hart, Investment Company Institute
Edward Hill, Bank of America
Janet Howard, MetLife
Mark Irion, Dutko Worldwide
Andy Izquierdo, AstraZeneca
Bryan Jacobs, Home Depot
Leo Jardot, Wyeth
Kent Jeffreys, International Council of Shopping Centers
Timothy Jenkins, O'Connor & Hannan
Chris Jennings, Jennings Policy Strategies
Broderick Johnson, Bryan Cave Strategies
Charlie Johnson, Akin Gump Strauss, Hauer & Feld
Kirsten Johnson-Obey, Freddie Mac
Jonathan Jones, Johnson, Madigan, Peck
Eli Joseph, BIO
Mark Kadesh, Bartlett, Bendall & Kadesh
Hon. Mickey Kantor, Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw
Page 9 of 10
Andrew Kauders, Podesta Group
Tim Keating, Honeywell
Thomas Koonce, IIABA
Lisa Kountoupes, Clark & Weinstock
Leslie Kramerich, Investment Companies Institute
Kristin Krause, FedEx
John Lapp, McMahon, Squier, Lapp & Associates
Peter Lawson, U.S. Chamber of Commerce
Vera LeBrun Grill, Pfizer
Eileen Lee, National Multi Housing Council
Edmund Lee, AIG
Lynn LeMaster, Edison Electric Institute
Ken Levinson, Fontheim International
Andy Lewin, Zurich
Nick Lewis, UPS
Brooke Lundquist, Dow
Jennifer Luray, Abbott Laboratories
Steve McBee, McBee Strategies
Chris McCannell, Quinn Gillespie & Associates
Jesse McCollum, NBWA
Jacqueline McCrocklin, VerizonWireless
Hon. Dave McCurdy, Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers
Sara Mead, Education Sector
Buddy Menn, BI Pharmaceuticals
Rachel Miller, BP
Nancy Mills, AFL-CIO
Peter Molinaro, Dow Chemicals
Howard Moon, Amgen
Cynthia Morton, American Health Care Association
Peter Muller, Genentech
Patrick Murphy, mCapitol
Charles Nau, Johnson & Johnson
Steve Nousen, NEA
Cathy Nyce, State Farm
Manny Ortiz, Quinn Gillespie & Associates
Ellen Pao, Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers
Dean Pappas, Allstate
Scott Parven, Parven, Pomper, Schuyler
Chris Payne, Prudential
Theresa Peterson, GE
John Plaza, Imperium Renewables and Seattle Biodiesel
Bob Pozen, MFS
John Prible, IIABA
Kate Prible, PCI
Ann Pride, Entergy
Tim Punke, Monument Policy Group
Christine Ramsdell, Boeing Corporation
Renée Rappaport, Mortgage Bankers Association
Kevin Richards, Symantec
Josh Richman, Bloom Energy
Page 10 of 10
Lucia Riddle, Principal Financial Group
Angela Riemer, Wyeth
Jay Rosenblum, Ernst & Young
Peter Rubin, Merck
Barbara Sacks, Verizon
Melissa Schulman, Bockorny Group
Elizabeth Schwartz, Boeing Corporation
Jill Showell, PMI Group
Courtney Sigmon, The Conrad Group
Hannah Simone, Nuclear Energy Institute
Kelly Slone, NVCA
Peter Slone, Medtronic
Dale Snape, Wexler & Walker
Thomas Spulak, King & Spalding
KR Sridhar, Bloom Energy
Jerry Steffle, Wellpoint
Kristy Sternhell, Hewlett-Packard
Jennifer Stewart, Bryan Cave Strategies
Roslyn Sullivan, PricewaterhouseCoopers
Wendy Sussman, Caremark Rx
Marie Sylla, Verizon
Matthew Tanielian, Cisco
Dan Tate, Jr. Capitol Solutions
Gordon Taylor, Ogilvy Government Relations
Henry Terhune, Akin Gump Strauss, Hauer & Feld
David Thomas, Mehlman Vogel Castagnetti
Jonathan Topodas, Aetna
Andrew Vermilye, Fidelity
Ali Weise, NDN
Robin Weisman, NASDAQ
Allison Weiss, MassMutual
Andrea Wilkinson, Sanofi Pasteur
Adele Witenstein, Abbott
AJ Wojciak, Blue Cross Blue Shield
Kimberly Woodard, Wal-Mart
Duane Wright, America's Health Insurance Plans
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 01:08 PM
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36. All corporate representatives
Edited on Tue Sep-11-07 01:10 PM by Lydia Leftcoast
including the health insurance companies (boo! hiss!) and Wal-Mart.

No representatives of unions or other organizations representing workers' interests, no representatives of farmers, no representatives of consumers, no representatives of environmental groups, no representatives of charities that help the poor, no representatives of advocates for affordable housing, no representatives of peace groups, no representatives of human rights groups.

Just a bunch of smug yuppies thinking up new ways to make the world safer for paper entrepreneurism and to keep the peasants (the rest of us) under control.

Oh, they'll come out for abortion rights and gay rights, but they'll also declare that the U.S. isn't sufficiently "business friendly" and that "over-regulation" is "stifling the creativity of the business world" and that companies need "flexibility" and that "special interest groups" (anyone who isn't an executive in a major corporation) are "ruining political discourse in this country" and that "free market solutions" are the cure for whatever ails you.

Just watch.

I sort of agree with wyldwolf, but only in the sense that this isn't a hostile takeover of the Democratic Party. This is the same old corporate vultures consolidating their already accomplished takeover of the Democratic Party.
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 07:36 PM
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98. Read that list and tell me we'll be getting Universal single-payer Health-Care any time this century
:rofl:

No one except Kucinich will get that for us.... No wonder the DLC is pushing HRC so hard. Gawdforbid an "Old Democrat" gets the nom!

We are so effing screwed. S C R E W E D.

TC
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 12:26 PM
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25. I can only say, I told you so, many, many times.
I'm truly at my wits' end at how to deal with it, but it does have to be dealt with.

This Party is over... in every sense of those words.

TC
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 01:36 PM
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61. Wow! 601 views! Thanks for the kicks! n/t
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 01:40 PM
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67. 631 Views! Thanks for the kicks. n/t
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 01:45 PM
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69. Warn Howard Dean! A small PAC long called dead by the netroots is taking over the Dem party!!!
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 01:51 PM
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71. Hey, guys! I gotta go. I'm not paid to post on DU all day! Thanks for the kicks! n/t
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 01:52 PM
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 01:55 PM
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73. Warn Howard Dean! A small PAC long called "dead" by the netroots is taking over the Dem party!!!
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 03:00 PM
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78. recommend
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 12:13 AM
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82. I opened up this thread, and now my eyebrows are gone
Alittle toasty, no?
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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 06:22 AM
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86. I was wondering, just a short while ago, ...
if there was anything of value in this world that corporations couldn't make lame. I remain stumped.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 06:25 AM
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87. "many of those lobbyists former Democratic Capitol Hill staffers."
What that tells me is that Washington DC needs an enema. Those people need to be retrained to go find a job outside the beltway, where they can watch from the doorsteps of their soon to be foreclosed homes as their normal American jobs get outsourced. Just like the rest of us.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 07:45 AM
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91. The far left whines and cries while the moderates run the show
Too bad they are impotent to stop us. ;)
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 11:48 AM
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93. you mean while the corporations and their DINO buddies
rob us fucking blind... D-L-C! D-L-C! :puke:
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 12:19 PM
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94. The DLC gave us Bill Clinton
Edited on Wed Sep-12-07 12:19 PM by Freddie Stubbs
The Pregressive Caucus gave us Cynthia McKinney.
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 12:31 PM
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96. And Bill Clinton gave us NAFTA, The Welfare Reform Act, Don't Ask/Don't Tell,
DOMA, The Telecom Reform Act, and no Congressional gains while in office.

imo, nothing McKinney could ever or has ever done would be as bad as any of those things.

TC
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 06:35 AM
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99. Welfare reform has been a great success
Despite the dire warnings of those who opposed it, there has been no massive starvation.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 08:22 PM
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100. oooh "pregressive", love the new DLC talking point...
Edited on Thu Sep-13-07 08:23 PM by dionysus
as the DLC crowd elevates the discourse into the septic tank...
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 10:11 AM
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92. Briefly checking in this morning. Wow! 1321 views! Thanks for the kicks! N/T
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 12:24 PM
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95. The thread has been a comedy gold mine.
:)
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