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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 04:22 PM
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L.A. Times Poll: Hillary leading in Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina...
Iowa

Hillary 28
Edwards 23
(they haven't listed Obama yet

New Hampshire

Hillary 35
Obama 16
Edwards 16

South Carolina

Hillary 45
Obama 27
Edwards 7



At the beginning of the autumn dash to the primaries, a new Times/Bloomberg Poll of 3,211 Democrats and Republicans in Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina shows that Hillary Clinton maintains a strong lead in all three states (28%, 35% and 45%, respectively). John Edwards is a relatively close second in Iowa (23%), tied for second at 16% with Barack Obama in New Hampshire and trailing Obama badly (27% to 7%) in South Carolina.

Bill Richardson has 10% in Iowa, 8% in New Hampshire and 1% in South Carolina. Joe Biden, Dennis Kucinich and Chris Dodd all draw 3% to 0% in the three states.


http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 04:27 PM
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1. Obama at 19% in Iowa
Edited on Tue Sep-11-07 04:31 PM by WesDem
Iowa Democrats find Edwards the most likable (31%) followed by Obama (28%), Clinton (20%) and Richardson (9%). In New Hampshire they like Obama best (29%), Edwards next (26%) and Clinton third (20%). In South Carolina, Clinton is the most popular (38%) to Obama's 27% and Edwards' 18%.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 04:41 PM
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2. Obama is toast in Iowa, bombing in South Carolina.
His only hope is New Hampshire, and that looks like he is about to take a nose dive in.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 04:44 PM
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3. Who's bombing in SC is Edwards
Maybe they know something Iowa doesn't know.
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 05:05 PM
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6. It is ironic to see an anti-JE Clarkie suddenly think SC voters have special insight
Edited on Tue Sep-11-07 05:06 PM by draft_mario_cuomo
2004 SC primary

1) Edwards 45%
4) Clark 7%

Did SC voters know something about Clark that WesDem did not know? :)
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 04:51 PM
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4. High possible change of mind factor in Iowa especially
For Democrats, the change factor is 59% in Iowa, 47% in New Hampshire and 45% in South Carolina.

But this looks good for all three:

Nine percent of Iowa and New Hampshire Democrats could never vote for Clinton while 7% felt the same in South Carolina. Five to 8% of Democrats in all three states could never vote for Obama or Edwards.
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 05:01 PM
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5. Edwards goes from single digits, 4th in NH to catch Obama in NH for 2nd...
Edited on Tue Sep-11-07 05:02 PM by draft_mario_cuomo
Who could have believed this would be the case after Labor Day just 2-3 months ago?

As to Iowa, it has been established that Edwards does worst when "likely voter" is defined broadly and best when it is more narrowly defined. Presumably this poll used the broad definition.
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 05:08 PM
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7. Hillary will be the nominee
it is a done deal.
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Broke Dad Donating Member (345 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 05:22 PM
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8. Edwards still leads in Iowa
Edited on Tue Sep-11-07 05:23 PM by Broke Dad
The last local poll done in Iowa shows Edwards with a sizable lead. Obama is tied with Hillary.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 05:27 PM
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9. Which last local poll shows Edwards with a sizeable lead?
The Univ of Iowa has two sets of numbers with likely caucus goers and very likely caucus goers with Hillary and Edwards separated by a point or so with Hillary in the lead in the broader definition and Edwards in the lead with the narrower definition.

So are you claiming Time magazine or Strategic Visions (a republican firm) are local polling organizations?

:rofl:

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ElizabethDC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 05:34 PM
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10. As of Aug. 29, here's a good snapshot of what's happening in Iowa
http://www.pollster.com/08-IA-Dem-Pres-Primary.php

I'm not sure that it's safe to say that Edwards still leads in Iowa.
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DesertRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 05:59 PM
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11. It's a done deal?
Why do you say that with months to go before the primaries? What if Al Gore jumps into the race, will you still be so sure?
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 06:08 PM
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12. If Al gets in, everything changes.
But I would still see Hillary winning a much closer race.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 08:55 AM
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20. then the final outcome doesn't change
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 06:33 PM
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13. If your putting your hopes on Al Gore jumping in.
you are in for a very big let down. As much as I like Al Gore. He's sitting this one out.
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 09:22 AM
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21. It doesn't happen often, but I agree with you.
Edited on Wed Sep-12-07 09:23 AM by Totally Committed
This, very sadly, does not sound like a man who plans to run for POTUS any time soon, and it's from the Sept./Oct. 02138 Magazine:




Q: You were often referred to as The Most Powerful Vice President.

A: That was before Dick Cheney.


Q: Will you endorse a candidate in the primaries?

A: Odds are I will.


Q: Who?

A: I haven't made that decision yet.


Q: Do you feel some obligation to endorse the wife of your former boss?

A: Uh.... no. I have friendships with her an with the other candidates, and
they're all on equal footing at this point as far as I'm concerned.


Q: Are you advising any candidates?

A: No.


Q: Talking to any?

A: A few have called from time to time.


Q: Which ones?

A: I'm not going to violate the privacy of those conversations, but several of them
have called regularly. Some have made private trips to Nashville, and I appreciate
that.

Q: Before we finish, Vice President Gore, I have to ask
you one more time: You're completely ruling out a run for
President?

A: I have not ruled out the possibility of re-entering
politics as a candidate at some point in the future. I
doubt that will ever happen. But, just because it doesn't
feel right to be a candidate ar this point, it doesn't feel
right to make a so-called Sherman statement.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=3510067


TC
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 09:39 AM
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25. Besides, Gore only shaves off about 5 pts from Clinton
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Adenoid_Hynkel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 12:29 AM
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14. Can you give this inevitability shit a rest?
And can you Hillary people please explain why I, as a comitted progressive who's opposed this war since day 1, should vote for someone who couldn't oppose it 'til she saw the results of the '06 midterms?
Why should I be fooled by overnight lip service from someone who was cheerleading well into '06?

And can you also explain why we should back a former Wal-Mart board emmber, friend oRupert Murdoch, supporter of the bankruptcy bill, supporter of corportate "free" trade, friend of James "married to the devil" Carville or former college GOP president?
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ElizabethDC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 12:31 AM
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15. Can you please show me anywhere in this thread where a Hillary supporter said she was inevitable?
The OP merely points out that she's leading right now.
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Adenoid_Hynkel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 01:09 AM
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18. after posting poll after poll after poll
OK, we get it-she's ahead
now let's expalin why progressives should give her the time of day, let alone vote for her, after the years of contempt she's shown for our issues
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 09:34 AM
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22. Bravissimo!
:applause:

Awesome post!

TC
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 09:35 AM
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23. Nah, I see know reason why she should court "progressives" more than she has.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 12:45 AM
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16. It's September. Meaning that there is plenty of time to fight back.
I'm with Obama till the end, even if I'm the only supporter standing.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 09:36 AM
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24. so you said in April, May, June, July, August...
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TSIAS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 12:47 AM
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17. Resistance is futile!
Attention Obama/Edwards supports -- Give up hope! Hillary vill be the nominee, and she will beat Giuliani/Thompson.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 07:15 AM
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19. The spinning of these polls by anti-Hillary Dems is so amusing
At DU we've see people complain about sampling sizes being too small in regards to some polls. Now, someone is complaining the Iowa sample size was too big!

The Iowa sample in this poll is way too large, so the poll is a joke. And the Democrats who think Hillary Clinton is the most electable are clueless...


This sample size is too big... this sample size is too small...
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