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Nutmegger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 11:31 PM Original message |
Poll question: True or False: A Presidential candidate who voted for the IWR is unfit for the Presidency. |
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tired_old_fireman (323 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 11:34 PM Response to Original message |
1. How about if they voted to fund the war? |
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Nutmegger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 11:39 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. Some would say that voting for the funding is the same as voting for the war. |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 11:42 PM Response to Reply #1 |
7. funny how some want to equate funding a war that is already being fought with |
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Dawgs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-14-07 02:45 PM Response to Reply #1 |
25. Only if you're a Kucinich supporter. |
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maximusveritas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-14-07 06:33 PM Response to Reply #25 |
44. Exactly, they just try to use that to differentiate Kucinich from Obama |
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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 11:35 PM Response to Original message |
2. They saw the "evidence" Bush had against Iraq. They had the power in their hands |
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zalinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-14-07 12:05 AM Response to Reply #2 |
12. I seem to remember a post here at DU |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-14-07 01:13 PM Response to Reply #12 |
18. Some of the intel was cooked, |
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Netbeavis (291 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-14-07 03:41 PM Response to Reply #2 |
26. Obama was first elected to the Senate in 2004 and therefore did not cast a vote on the 2002 Iraq wa |
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jillan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-14-07 04:06 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. Thank you. |
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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-14-07 07:14 PM Response to Reply #26 |
54. Bull. He denounced the war in 2002, when it was unpopular to do so. |
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Netbeavis (291 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-14-07 08:37 PM Response to Reply #54 |
60. That is hardly an example of either |
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Lucinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 11:36 PM Response to Original message |
3. False. |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 11:37 PM Response to Original message |
4. If they waited 3 years later to apologize, right before running for Prez......and if |
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Catchawave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 11:39 PM Response to Original message |
5. Did Kerry go through this in 2004 on DU.....? |
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Lucinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 11:46 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. He was beat up here pretty well too. :) nt |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 11:52 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. Even though he didn't even co-sponsor the Blank check..... |
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Seabiscuit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 11:58 PM Response to Original message |
10. What if they made one speech condemning the war, then when joining the Senate in 1/05 voted for |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-14-07 12:14 AM Response to Reply #10 |
13. there is about 14 miles between starting a war and funding a war |
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Seabiscuit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-14-07 01:10 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. No one's insinuating anything. |
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Seabiscuit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-14-07 07:23 PM Response to Reply #13 |
57. Re: your title: not really - every year a war's funded it gets restarted. |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-14-07 09:01 PM Response to Reply #57 |
62. On that point we disagree. |
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Seabiscuit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 08:47 AM Response to Reply #62 |
64. Actually, we agree on both of those points. |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-14-07 12:01 AM Response to Original message |
11. Not all votes are the same, Edwards helped to market the war |
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Jim Sagle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-14-07 12:15 AM Response to Original message |
14. Kucinichite hogwash! |
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GreenArrow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-14-07 01:50 PM Response to Reply #14 |
24. Hogwash? |
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slick8790 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-14-07 05:25 PM Response to Reply #24 |
32. I find Kucinich worse in his issue changes than JE. |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-14-07 05:39 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. "constantly evolving issue"? IRAQ? |
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GreenArrow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-14-07 09:45 PM Response to Reply #32 |
63. nah. Kucinich saw the obvious from the get go. |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-14-07 01:12 PM Response to Original message |
16. No IWR voting dem will become president (nt) |
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Catchawave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-14-07 01:29 PM Response to Reply #16 |
22. Kerry did, well almost n/t |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-14-07 04:28 PM Response to Reply #16 |
30. Why? Are the voting machines only rigged against them? |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-14-07 05:12 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. No, b/c many Dems and Independents won't vote for one (nt) |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-14-07 05:33 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. Kerry won. RNC stole that election for Bush. |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-14-07 05:36 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. The IWR had nothing to do with inspections. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-14-07 05:59 PM Response to Reply #34 |
38. Right - because you wouldn't vote for someone who actually HAD a plan to leave Iraq |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-14-07 06:20 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. Yes, because I don't trust him. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-14-07 06:33 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. Kerry didn't lie - he Wouldn't lie about serious matters of war. |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-14-07 06:37 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. Sorry, but he lied. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-14-07 06:43 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. IWR was not even a factor in WHETHER we went to war or not. Downing Street Memos |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-14-07 06:52 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. So Kerry is an Idiot or a Liar? |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-14-07 07:05 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. No. But I'm not an idiot and I thought Bush2 was more influenced by Bush1, Baker |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-14-07 07:15 PM Response to Reply #49 |
55. I want him gone from DC as well. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-14-07 07:19 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. Heh - if you think BCCI is tinfoil, or AQ Khan is just a fictional character |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-14-07 07:24 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. No, just that there is no big connection... |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-14-07 07:43 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. Your conclusions carry no weight with me. The same names |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-14-07 08:38 PM Response to Reply #59 |
61. The conclusions are the conclusions, your tin foil hat theory is your own. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 09:26 AM Response to Reply #61 |
65. Pure bunk. |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 10:11 AM Response to Reply #65 |
66. The Bunk is the cookie conspiracy theory... |
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Perry Logan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-14-07 01:12 PM Response to Original message |
17. Which part of "they were lied to" don't you understand? |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-14-07 01:14 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. Which part of classified NIE docs left |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-14-07 01:16 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. An excuse not to do their job? |
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Adelante (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-14-07 01:17 PM Response to Original message |
21. I suggest reading this current thread |
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GreenArrow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-14-07 01:47 PM Response to Original message |
23. Considering, that (from both parties) the likely nominee and |
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Catchawave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-14-07 04:08 PM Response to Original message |
28. How many GOP candidates will have to pass this "sniff test" ? |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-14-07 05:38 PM Response to Reply #28 |
35. All of them. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-14-07 04:25 PM Response to Original message |
29. You would have to BELIEVE that the IWR took this country to war. It didn't. |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-14-07 05:52 PM Response to Reply #29 |
37. The IWR gave Bush the credibility he needed to go foward with his plan..... |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-14-07 06:04 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. Thinking Powell, Scowcroft and GHWBush had more influence on a final decision than |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-14-07 06:16 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. Which is what the Levin Amendment would have put "control" over..... |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-14-07 06:28 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. Still doesn't change anything. Bush was going in - Downing Street Memos showed that. |
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jobendorfer (429 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-14-07 06:59 PM Response to Original message |
48. skepticism is job #1 for congress-critters |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-14-07 07:05 PM Response to Original message |
50. This is how I look at it |
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Lord Helmet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-14-07 07:08 PM Response to Original message |
51. that bad decision will not be forgotten |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-14-07 07:11 PM Response to Original message |
52. I Used To Feel That Way But I Softened My Position |
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Adelante (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 10:39 AM Response to Reply #52 |
67. I've gone the other way |
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illinoisprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-14-07 07:12 PM Response to Original message |
53. The person who voted was either lazy or lacked judgment or both. |
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MUSTANG_2004 (688 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 01:22 PM Response to Reply #53 |
70. Not lazy, cowardly n/t |
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Adelante (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 10:43 AM Response to Original message |
68. They are welcome to redeem themselves all they want |
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MUSTANG_2004 (688 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 01:22 PM Response to Original message |
69. Unfit, for two different reasons |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 01:27 PM Response to Original message |
71. A Presidential candidate who would STILL vote for the IWR is unfit for the Presidency. |
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