Another DU 2008 straw poll

Never scientific.

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HR 333

HR333 it is!

TC

IMPEACH CHENEY FIRST

The "scientific" people have never once asked me.

Kucinich all the way.

I did vote for Dennis since Gore wasn't listed but my heart remains with Gore.

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yes, i'm holding out for The One.

Here’s the message: The American people have spoken and they want this war to end. The Iraqi people have spoken and they want a federal system. The only thing standing in the way of bringing together those two very achievable goals is this President’s stubborn adherence to a failed policy. By pressuring the Iraqi people to do the impossible–construct a central government from the ruins of thousands of years of sectarian conflict and tribal feuds–President Bush is setting them up to fail, and what’s worse, he knows it!

This country, the American people, do not intend to send the pride of nation, our sons and daughters, to be vanquished, lost, and their lives wasted in the sands of Iraq for even one more day! Yet, this President speaks of long-term committments–extending beyond his time in office. He has simply allowed the power of his office to go to his head. And we need to bring him down to earth!

President Truman, in 1947, set forth a national policy which basically said that the United States is committed to helping other nations–-at that time Greece and Turkey–-whose existence is threatened by communist oppression. This came to be known as the Truman Doctrine and it informed much of the foreign policy of the United States for the next 50 years.

Now we have the Bush Doctrine. Under the Bush doctrine, you lie to the American people to get them to misdirect their anger so you can pursue your own agenda; you invade other nations and create turmoil; then you do all you can to perpetuate that turmoil so you can continue to pursue your own agenda. And when your own people demand you stop what you are doing, instead of respecting their wishes, you throw them a bone. You hide behind your select cadre of generals and diplomats and point to their opinions–opinions which you yourself directed–as justification for ignoring the overwhelming evidence to the contrary, along with the opnions of every other dissenting voice, and continuing to do what you always intended in the first place.

If there seems to be something circular in the President’s logic, now you know why. And it feels to you that your opinions don’t matter to this administation, now you know why. And it is seems to you that there is an eerie similarity between this President’s actions and the actions of all such autocrats throughout the blood-spattered pages of human history, now you’re on the right track.

We don’t want bones, Mr President–we reject the notion that you are making concessions by making small reductions in our forces in Iraq, for this is the result of your abuse of our brave men and women as you whip the last drop of effort and bravery out of them with these extended deployments, endangering their lives even further. The only concession you are making is a concession to the reality that your policies have failed.

Yet, some of us still hope for a better outcome than the one we see in the future you have laid out for us. Some of us believe there is a better way. Some of us are willing to adopt a sensible approach. And all of us–all of us . . . every man, woman and child in this country–pray that no more lives be lost and no more of our heroes be horribly–horribly–wounded and disfigured. You have abused your power, Mr President, and you have abused our military and this nation for your own ends.

Harry Truman used to say “the buck stops here.” Stop passing the buck, Mr President. Stop shifting the blame to others, to failed intelligence, to Osama Bin Laden, to Saddam Hussein, to an Iraq in a crisis of your own creation; stop passing the buck to our military leaders and diplomats; stop passing the buck to those who rightly oppose your policies. Stop passing the buck, Mr President, and own up to the incontrovertible facts: that we would not be in this mess in the first place were it not for your failings; that we deserve much better than you are capable of giving to us; that any continuation of your leadership will cast grave doubt on the motives of those who choose to continue to support you; and that as a result of your failed leadership you have forfeited all moral authority to speak on behalf of this proud and generous and forgiving and trusting and brave and determined people, the American people. You are no longer worthy of us and its time for you to get out of our way.

Let the bell of liberty ring out across this world that the American people are in charge of their destiny once again. This war will end, Mr President, whether you like it or not.

And we will not leave chaos as our legacy. We will not make matters worse. We will not plunge Iraq and the entire region into a war of the scavengers, picking the bones of our failed policies which have laid open the country to the predations of vultures and hyenas. We will not press the nation of Iraq to fail by insisting that these broken people somehow come together despite their very deep differences. We will, instead, respect their wishes and their national sovereignty. We will use all of our power and influence to bring together the world to render assistance to this struggling democracy. It will be the power and influence born of a new dawn in American history; the power and influence of truth, of goodwill to all men, of respect for the rule of law, and of a total rejection of violence as a means of achieving the noble pursuit of peace. And we will not fail to support our military as a means of forcing the needed changes. There will be no surrender. There will be no precipitous withdrawal. Reason will guide our actions. And reason dictates that we embrace the calls for federalism in Iraq as our last and best hope for their country and our own.

and welcome to DU :)

Sadly, the American people prefer placebos over a real cure of their ills.

within limits. His honesty seems to fail him when it comes to talking about his realistic chance of getting elected. He has no chance and he knows it. This election must be about one thing and one thing only: getting a Democrat in to the White House. Biden accurately points out that the magnitude of our nation's problems demands something much greater than a 51% solution; it demands a mandate. We should not rely in winning the same 20 states as last time. We should challenge the Republicans on their own sacred ground, and win this election with a real mandate.

I support Biden because he will get Republican voters to cross party lines while maintaining the Democratic strengths. Biden can win. And the general election will not be turned into a complete travesty of muck-racking and ad hominem attacks from the right.

place to entertain a lass, (even though it seems to get everywhere and anywhere) and some animals love it.

but polls? blech.

His name is Mike Gravel!

Don't continue to be mislead by "politics as usual".

via email today

DES MOINES, IA – Democratic Presidential candidate Dennis Kucinich said Iowa Democratic Party leaders and other groups aligned with the entrenched political power structure are "rigging the game in Iowa" by excluding him from two Presidential events this week.

"The whole purpose of the primary and caucus season is to provide voters with opportunities, not to enable a carnival of interest groups to subvert the process," Kucinich said. "When Party leaders and their allies pre-select which candidates they will allow the voters to hear, it's a disservice to the voters. Iowans deserve better than a rigged game."

Congressman Kucinich, (D-OH), was not invited to Sunday's Democratic Steak Fry in Indianola, nor to a Democratic Presidential Forum Thursday in Davenport. Representatives of both events have falsely claimed that Kucinich does not have a sufficiently "active organization" in Iowa.

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He also questioned the decision by the American Association of Retired Persons (AARP) Iowa Public Television to exclude him from Thursday's Democratic Presidential Forum, which will focus on the issues of health care and financial security.

"The Presidential debate on health care has been largely fake, with phony claims from candidates that they are providing ‘universal health care’ when, in fact, they are preserving the for-profit system of private insurance companies who make money not providing health care," Kucinich said.

"I am the only Presidential candidate to offer a true universal healthcare plan for America, HR676, Medicare for All. It is a comprehensive, not-for-profit, national health insurance plan, and everyone is covered," Kucinich said. "No premiums, no deductibles, no co-payments."

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http://youtube.com/denniskucinich


http://www.dennis4president.com/home/

. . . is Kucinich's rallying call. It is call that harkens back to European beer halls and sweaty young men desperate to inflict their ignorance upon the world.

How about some truth. Medicare is not run by the government and it is not a single-payer system. Kucinich is flat wrong. Medicare is run by 31 private insurance companies under contract to the government. These are the same private insurance companies that, in their regular course of business, wrongfully deny claims and cherry-pick their policyholders.

I spent 18 months of my life working on health care fraud with the FBI. Medicare is racked by fraud. More than 22% of every Medicare dollar is lost to fraud. And it is the Medicare reimbursement system that encourages this fraud to occur.

Medicare is not a fee-for-service insurer. They use what's called DRG (diagnostically related group) codes for billing purposes. A Medicare provider is then able to "up-code" a patient (say that simple pneumonia is COPD) and the amount that provider receives from Medicare can increase by many multiples. Patients almost never complain when they are somehow "cured" of incurable conditions they never actually had in the first place.

The government knows that elderly people are being killed by the hundreds of thousands every year because of fraud and abuse of the Medicare system. Almost nothing is done about it for the simple, though horrific, reason that elder deaths help balance the books for Social Security.

Kucinich is lying his ass off. This is a ploy to get attention. The people of Cleveland booted his ass out of office one year into his term as mayor.

But Edwards would be a close 2nd choice, if we had an instant run-off.

IMPEACH CHENEY FIRST

IMPEACH CHENEY FIRST

Kucinich Brownshirts. They never fail to rally around their flawed leader.

Here is reality:

http://www.usaelectionpolls.com/2008/candidates/Dennis_Kucinich.html

IMPEACH CHENEY FIRST

Seriously, I keep forgetting I rec'd this a week ago, so I'll stick with the kick :kick:

Interesting results....

IMPEACH CHENEY FIRST

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in the meantime, here's a :kick: :hi: