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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 03:38 PM
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Let's Do Barbara Boxer Proud and take on FreeperVille Re: Petraeus
On Tuesday September 11th 2007 shortly after noon, Senator Barbara Boxer (D. CA)

took full advantage of the seven minutes which was her allotted time to pose questions to General Petraeus to instead offer her most courageous indictment against the war.


Very little has been carried in the MSM about her courageous stand. And in Freeperville,
the fact that she pretended to be about to pose a question (thus allowing her to have the floor - you are not simply allowed to stand up and denounce Stupidity in the Halls of The Senate - even when said Stupidity needs a thorough thrashing) means that the Freepers are all snorting: "Poor people of California. Their idiotic woman Senator cannot even put together ONE QUESTION in her allotted seven minutes."

Here is what Boxer stated for the record (Mods - this is public information as archived in the US SEnate Record and is therefore not restricted by the four paragraph rule as applied to copyright material):

SEN. BOXER: Thanks, Mr. Chairman.

Gentlemen, thank you for your service. I represent 37 million people, so you can imagine how many letters I get about the Iraq war.

I get letter after letter, asking me how long we'll be in Iraq.

I tell them it depends on who the president is and how many votes there are in the Congress to change course. And as for my own views, I tell them this war is the biggest foreign policy mistake ever.

It took our eye off defeating the terrorists, led by Osama bin Laden, who killed out people, six years ago today; the greatest mistake because it strained our military, our National Guard -- in California, Gentlemen, we are short 50 percent in our equipment to respond to an earthquake, and the secretary of the Army said we'd be in trouble if there was a major earthquake -- the greatest mistake because we've lost so many of our own and so many are wounded, who we will be dealing with for years and years.

It breaks our hearts, all of our hearts.

The biggest mistake because we've lost the support of the world, when we had the whole world in our hand after 9/11.

So I want to go back to when I first met you, General Petraeus. We had a good meeting. I don't know if you remember it; I sure do. And I have a picture of Senator Reid, Murray, and myself, Senator Durbin. At that point, you were in charge of training the troops, the Iraqis.

You were so upbeat, general. You told me, I will never forget it, we were sitting in a armored vehicle, you said, You're about to see some terrific troops. We're going to have them ready to go. You talked about over 100,000 of them at that time. And the fact is I was very upbeat after that meeting. I have all of the documentation. I ask unanimous consent to put in all the documentation...

And so the point was the Iraqis were going to take this over and you were as optimistic as anyone I have ever seen on the point.

Now, that's what the Brits have done and that's what Senator Kerry talked about. They said they were redeploying out of Basra, because they said, quote, It makes sense to hand over to Iraqi forces. They went outside and redeployed to the perimeter -- to the airport.

In my visit to London, two weeks ago, the foreign policy people told me that they had to get out because they were viewed as occupiers, not liberators, and they were targets. They said 90 percent of the violence, they felt, was coming because they were there.

Now, let's look at some of our casualties since the surge. It's been referred to by several colleagues. I have them on a chart.

To me, this speaks volumes about this. The deadliest summer for U.S. forces in Iraq -- since the surge began.

Now, I think the notion of being seen as occupiers is key. And this is what you said about being seen as occupiers -- if we could hold that quote up by General Petraeus. I'm rushing through this because of time limits. I'm sorry.

You said in '03, We want to be seen as an army of liberation, not an army of occupation. There's a half life on our role here. You wear out your welcome at some point. It doesn't matter how helpful you are. We aren't here to stay.

Now, let's see what the seven sergeants and staff sergeants said in an article referred to by Senator Hagel: We need to recognize our presence may have released the Iraqis from the grip of a tyrant, but it's also robbed them of their self-respect, their dignity. And they're calling us what we are, an army of occupation and force our withdrawal. Until that happens, it would be prudent for us to increasingly let Iraqis take center stage in all matters to come up with a nuanced policy in which we assist them from the margins, but let them resolve their own differences.

I don't consider the surge a nuanced policy. It's killing our soldiers at a great rate.

I think that we need to look at reality. Senator Biden talked to you about what the comptroller general said, and you're going to argue about it? I think the comptroller general ought to be listened to. He says you're cherry picking your numbers in terms of the overall violence.

Let's listen to what General Casey has said. And I'd ask -- well, we have consent to put that in the record. He says that, in essence, the surge has only a temporary tactical effect.

Let's look at the poll both of you tried to discredit yesterday. ABC, BBC, a Japanese station, 42 percent of Iraqis say their children

will have a worse life, 25 percent say it will be no better, that. 67 percent say that their kid's life will not be better than their own, 70 percent say the surge is making matters worse.

Is that what our troops are dying for?

I ask you to take off your rosy glasses. You had them on in '05. I believed you. I thought for sure we were going to see the Iraqis take over their own defense.

Now, the president is the commander in chief. If anyone disagrees with that, let me know. The commander in chief is the president.

He makes the policy. You carry it out. And if you don't want to carry it out, I think you just need to leave your post.

Now, this is the president who said mission accomplished and thousands of our own died. Then he said, bring it on, and more and more died. And just the other day he was quoted in the Australian press as saying, We're kicking A-S-S in Iraq. And since then, six days, we lost 28 soldiers in six days, since this president said that.

Who wants to keep this course? Not the Iraqis, not the American people, not the majority of the Senate and the House. Seventy percent of the Iraqis say the surge is making matters worse. Ninety percent of the Sunnis want us gone. Eighty percent of the Shia want us out.

So we are sending out troops where they're not wanted, with no end in sight, in the middle of a civil war, in the middle of the mother of all mistakes.

So, please, General, I ask you, please don't do what you did in '04, when you painted a rosy scenario in an op-ed piece, that turned out to be wrong; like you did in '05, when you told us, and we believed you, that the Iraqis were just about there; they were going to take over their own defense.

And please consider that others could be right, the Brits, General Casey, Comptroller General, Lee Hamilton and Tom Kean, who just wrote -- just wrote -- in an op-ed piece -- just wrote -- that our presence in Iraq is recruiting terrorists for Al Qaida.

Listen to the Iraqi people, the American people, the majority of the Congress.

My question is, and I know I've run out of time, so I will have to take it in writing, but it's a very important one. Don Rumsfeld said,

no more than six months would this war last.

How long will it take, now that we've spent $20 billion and we've trained 350,000 Iraqis in counterinsurgency -- when, General Petraeus, can they take over their own defense?

Call me old-fashioned. You have a country; you defend it. Thank you.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 03:42 PM
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1. Here are Contact #s -Currently Freeperville is calling her office and protesting her dim wittedness
Edited on Tue Sep-18-07 04:05 PM by truedelphi
In not asking a single question (I'd say to them: "Uh, Der!!)

But if you have a moment please email her at
https://boxer.senate.gov/contact/email/policy.cfm
to offer your support
with "Seven minutes of Outrage against this war - Thanks!" in the title

Or you can call her office at 1 202 224 3553

If someone knows the toll free number to her office, please post.
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 03:53 PM
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2. They seem perfectly sensible remarks to me.....
Did the General answer the question?

"How long will it take, now that we've spent $20 billion and we've trained 350,000 Iraqis in counterinsurgency -- when, General Petraeus, can they take over their own defense? "
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 03:56 PM
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4. I think his answer was: They still need more time
She used ALL of her time to state her remarks - I think that his whole proposition was
so incredulous to her that she did not want to honor him by even asking a question.

She ended her final words to the effect that she would make her question in writing and take her answer in writing.
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 07:44 PM
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9. So she did ask a question and got an answer....
Don't really know what the big deal is. None of the answers made any sense anyway....
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 03:54 PM
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3. Rec'd. Jon Stewart blasted Sen. Boxer for not asking questions, but I think
she did a great job. She was laying out what she'd been told vs. the reality.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 09:47 PM
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12. I agree. He was too quick in his joking ... but the guy is the very best.

His treatment of Lieberman was positively brutal - when lieberman said he wanted to go into Iran and the cut to Steward spitting out wine. Great stuff.
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Trillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 04:34 PM
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5. Surely this deserves more than 4 recs!
K&R
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Pool Hall Ace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 05:46 PM
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6. Did the Freeps really refer to Sen. Boxer as a "woman Senator?"
In Freepville, is it a travesty to be represented by a woman?
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 05:56 PM
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7. One Freeper, herself a woman, derided Barbara Boxer as being
Someone who 1) shouldn't be commenting critically because she had never been in the military and
2) whose husband made 75 million on the war.

Someone on the site pointed out that it was Di Feinstein whose husband made money on the war.

But undaunted, the original poster went on to say that it still stunk that Boxer had been less than nice to Petreaus, especially since she had not ever been in the military.
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mogster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 06:25 PM
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8. One of the best senators
IMHO :-)
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 08:08 PM
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10. K&R for a great senator.
:thumbsup:
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 09:45 PM
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11. "Call me old fashioned. You have a country, you defend it" K*R
Damn, I saw part of her speech on the tube but it reads much better.

She's a ray of hope in a sea of indifference.

Gracias!
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 09:56 PM
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14. Sad thing was - I couldn't find her speech in many places -
And most of those were Freeperville sites.

The words in her speech are inspiring. And should be in everyone's minds.
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Steve_in_California Donating Member (365 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 09:54 PM
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13. It's an old tactic . . . .
If you don't like the message, kill the messenger. Senator Boxer is my senator and I think she did all Californians proud. Great Job, Madame Senator!
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cureautismnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 07:26 PM
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15. Boxer Rocks. I wish she was my Senator.
She basically told Gen. Betray-Us that the nation's majority is tired of innocent lives being wasted, billions of dollars squandered, and incessant lies being spewed in the name of bogus national security.

More power to you, Senator Boxer. The Dem.'s need more fighters like you. You do us proud. :applause:
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 12:15 AM
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16. Boxer is better . ......... than Feistein -- !!!!
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 02:22 PM
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17. Ah, Barbara Boxer, asking impertinent questions -- !! Good for her!!!
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