40% isn't exactly awe inspiring

Kerry seems to have been labeled the clear front runner by every news agency and pitiful "look at me I can jump on the bandwagon once a winner seems clear" politician, but with all of this to only beat Edwards by 5%. Edwards has come out of nowhere. If Edwards was viewed as someone with a little more experience, I believe he would be overtaking Kerry at this point.

My advice to Kerry, don't make anymore references to JFK, why. Because while his initials may be JFK, people may really think of Edwards being the next JFK.

If I'm Edwards I do a backroom deal with Dean, promise him the V-P position for his endorsement and I say bye-bye Kerry. If Dean dropped out tomorrow and endorsed Kerry, I think JFK would be in real trouble.

apportioned based on awe.

... but he's not viewed that way, and he doesn't have as much experience as Kerry does. That's one big reason Kerry is beating him, IMO.

Why is it that so many people hate Kerry????

:puke:

The governor couldn't beat the father, the lieutenant governor can't beat the son.

No it's not, going to stop...'til you wise up.

Later.

RJS

I have an idea for you ... look at the polls and take some reality pills.

For an intelectually saavy political posting site, we sure seem to have a lot of "counter-intuitive" people suggesting courses of action precisely opposite from what the polling data supports.

Support an American hero who helped to end the worst war of my lifetime; a man who's got the foreign intelligence and federal investigation experience on the criminals that are running the show today? Support a man that's won the hearts and minds of the clear majority of Democrats? Nah, what do these media duped fools know? Much better to run someone who can't nearly stack up as well against Bush and who won't be able to bring the office to bear on the shadow government that needs excision to effect real long term change.

Hey, I like John Edwards...he seems like a very nice man. Bear him no ill will at all. His very short record doesn't differentiate him from Kerry. Made a lot of money as a trial lawyer. Just not the best candidate to be elected President of the United States.

But I don't like his comfort level with power. If he'd been president, it would have been okay to give him the IWR vote because the great John Kerry wouldn't abuse all that power.

Uh, why do I not believe that?

Because absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Oh, yeah, and his IWR vote.

a place to come to when it seemed the vast majority of Americans were blind to what Bush was doing to the economy, the environment, the courts

Now it seems that every time I come online there are more negative threads about Democrats than about Bush

Is it because DU has been infiltrated by very clever Republicans whose purpose it is to discourage us?

This is the 2004 primary forum. Here we talk about what's going on in the "Primary", obviously people have differing views on who they believe would make the best candidate. Hopefully this is handled with some finesse but not always. If you want to be on the forums where we have negative threads about the Republicans go to general discussion.

Some of our candidates have policies that promote negative threads. At least some view them that way because it's not all about how much we love each and every candidate. Some of these issues must be talked about and debated. Just because these candidates have a "D" next to their name means nothing. We the people are the democratic party......we decide who will represent us. hence their is alto of so called " bashing" going on because well honestly alot of these candidates have alot of explaining to do.

But to me, he comes across as a guy that if you're not a rich white liberal that hangs out at Martha's Vineyard, I'm just not sure he's going to relate that much. Clinton came across as a guy that relate to just about anybody. Gore came across as "if you are a rich white liberal from an elite university" I can relate to you otherwise, I'm smarter than you.

Kerry also seems like the classic politician that waffles on a lot of things.

an "empty vessel".

Even though my candidate, Wes Clark, endorsed Kerry I still can't forget that the reason I supported the Draft Clark movement was because I didn't see anyone in the Democratic field that I thought was capable of beating Bush.

Nothing has changed.

If the media has its way we will end up with two Yale Skull&Bones types facing off across from each other. Not a reassuring prospect.

I've made the point elsewhere that Kerry is like the Milton Berle of politics. He's never heard a good line that he didn't like, or didn't eventually steal.

Listening to him talk tonight about how he would tell Congress that he wanted to give America the same kind of health benefits "you" have, like he was an outsider? Telling Hoffa we'll drill all over the place. All that stuff.

God, now Kerry wants a million people to give him a hundred dollars each. Where did we hear that idea before?

Deep down, John Kerry is shallow, and that just isn't going to cut it going up against the wealth of the BushCo forces.

doesn't seem like a "win" for us. Not even close.

or not.

must be that bad mojo Gore gave to Dean.

I hope Dean continues to fight another day and another day clear up until the last primary in May.

Every Democrat endorsed by the AFL-CIO in history has won the party's nomination.

Union endorsements have been so dependable lately.

That's why Kerry's getting it will mean so much. Gore got it and beat Bradley in every state.

and if it knocks Dean out of the race, Edwards will have to win decisively in GA, pick up OH, and go 4 for 4 on 3/9. Anything less and Kerry will run out the clock. Not impossible, but very tricky.

Sure, 40% today ain't overwhelming, but it Kerry won 16 out of 18 primaries. And yes, on Super Tuesday (two weeks from now) 1,151 more delegates will be split among the winners, but Edwards can't do in two weeks across 10 states what he did in Wisconsin: concentrate on just one state.

Realistically, I think it's pretty clear who the winner is - what remains is the question when and in what order the others drop out.

Geez. Dean and Edwards moved into Wisconsin. Kerry was the punching bag and sleaze reciever ala Drudge.
Kerry's as strong as ever.

At least, not in my view...

:shrug:

THAT's interesting to me.

want Dean as his VP? Another question is, would Dean play second fiddle to anyone?

Some of these anti Kerry threads aren't even making sense at this point -- and I say this as someone that thinks Edwards has the best chance in the GE.

That doesn't make sense.

And putting a losing candidate on your ticket is a sure way to kill it. Nothing personal, that's just politics.

And, Kerry "seems to have been labeled" the clear front runner because he has won 15 of 17 primaries.

It makes sense for Edwards if he could get a Dean endorsement, because Edwards is really closing the gap and Dean's core voting base is more loyal than anyone's other than Dennis K's.

:puke:

Kerry won 48%-31% among Democrats. 38% of the voters were Independent or Republican. No other state gets that high a percentage of non-Democrats. Besides having an open primary, Wisconsin has a tradition of crossover voting and they have other races and issues on the ballot that draw non-Democrats to the polls.

Even if Dean were to drop out and endorse Edwards, there's no way he could ensure that his supporters would follow. Many would go to Kucinich or Kerry.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3762911/

The Dean supporters that haven't already fled to Kerry are very loyal, and are quite pissed at Kerry and the DLC. Edwards has been mostly civil to Dean, and his followers haven't gone out of their way to bully, badger, and antagonize the Dean supporters. If Dean endorsed Edwards, I think a lot of his supporters would vote for Edwards. The real question is whether Kerry supporters will vote for Edwards if he manages to pass Kerry and get the nomination. I, for one, would love to throw ABB back in the face of the Kerry supporters if that happens.

to wonder aloud about electability of the frontrunner? It wasn't when Dean was way out in front, was it?

Our prospects in the House and Senate are not good, particularly after redistricting and retirements. Our best chance is the White House. A strong win there could help with Congress, too.

If a candidate clinches the nomination, party unity dictates that criticism from within should be ended. Until that happens, the campaign continues.

too bad Kerry supporters...

n/t

http://nytimes.com/2004/02/18/politics/campaign/18ELEC.html?hp

A critical question now, some Democrats said, is whether Dr. Dean, who has not won a single contest, withdraws from the race and throws his support to Mr. Edwards or Mr. Kerry. A survey of voters leaving the polls found that those who said they had once intended to support Dr. Dean split evenly between Mr. Edwards and Mr. Kerry.

40% is plenty, playah.

1992

Candidate Vote Percent
Clinton 287,356 37.19
Brown 266,207 34.46
Tsongas 168,619 21.82
Uninstructed 15,487 2
Other/Unknown 13,650 1.77
McCarthy 6,525 0.84
Harkin 5,395 0.7
Agran 3,193 0.41
Larouche 3,120 0.4
Kerrey 3,044 0.39
Total 772,596

2004 (96% Reporting)

Kerry 314,736 40%
Edwards 273,855 34%
Dean 144,980 18%
Kucinich 26,495 3%
Sharpton 14,047 2%
Clark 12,152 2%
Uncommitted 1,071 0%
Total 787,366

You can spin it anyway you want, but a loss is a loss is a loss.