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ncteechur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 06:51 AM
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On Obama...I've watched the debates and listened to some speeches
but I cannot get behind Obama as president. For those who will
probably vote for him, may I ask why? I'm leaning towards Edwards
but really want to understand why some folks really think Obama is
the best candidate.
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 07:05 AM
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1. Well, for one, he was against the Iraq war in 2002.
Edited on Sat Sep-29-07 07:06 AM by Dawgs
He was against it when it was unpopular.

Watch this video to see how his judgement(from the beginning) was correct.

http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid901176778/bclid900482168/bctid659820802

Edwards and Hillary both trusted Bush and helped him sell the idea that Saddam had WMD's.
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ncteechur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 07:12 AM
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5. Did he vote against Kyle-Leiberman??
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 07:35 AM
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9. No. He didn't vote for or against it.
Edited on Sat Sep-29-07 08:03 AM by Dawgs
I wish he would have.
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zabet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 07:09 AM
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2. I just cannot get behind Obama either.
For me, it was the speech he gave in Selma that turned
me against him. For all the Obama-ites - I will not
elaborate and start a sub-thread flame war. It is my right
and my choice not to support Obama for whatever reasons
I may choose. Just beause you do not agree with me does
not make me wrong for my political choice.
I had been following his political career
since the last presidential election. I was greatly
dissappointed that Obama did not pan out as I had
originally expected.
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 07:11 AM
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4. Who says you don't have the right to not support Obama?
I have never heard anyone say that.

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zabet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 07:25 AM
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7. I did not say anyone has said that.
I just know that the supporters of Obama automatically
assume if you are not for him, well you surely are for
Hillary. Which I am not. Then it begins...explaining
my choice, defending my choice...etc. I usually avoid
the Obama and Hillary posts simply because of this. I
swear you would think that DU is being swarmed with paid
posters for the candidates.
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Connie_Corleone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 10:41 AM
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11. Some not ALL Obama supporters.
It's a free country. Support who you want to support.
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retread Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 12:43 PM
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14. What was it about the Selma speech? n/t
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 07:10 AM
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3. BTW, I'm curious as to why you would pick Edwards over Obama.
I'm not looking for an argument; I'm just curious. I think they are both very close on almost every issue, yet I see many DUers support Edwards over Obama. This doesn't make much sense to me considering it was Obama who fought against the war, while Edwards was working to sell it.
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ncteechur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 07:16 AM
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6. Well I don't know if simply saying you are against it is fighting against it.
But I agree with Edwards in his One America strategy. Right now, he is the chief advocate for the middle class against big business. That to me is also a top priority. I like Biden's foreign policy savvy. I think Biden is a good student of history. He doesn't always get the domestic stuff correct, though.
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zabet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 07:27 AM
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8. Biden needs to be Secretary of State, IMHO. n/t
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 08:02 AM
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10. I'm not trying to be a jerk, but how else was he supposed to fight against it?
He was a candidate running for Senator giving speeches and speaking in interviews on how we shouldn't be having a war with Iraq. It was an unpopular thing to do at the time, but he had the courage to do it.

I do agree with Edwards position on working for the middle class. He isn't necessarily the only advocate. Obama just recently came out with a tax-cut plan for the middle class, and has always worked hard for the under-priviledged.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/09/18/366812.aspx

The Illinois senator’s plan to “relieve the burden of the middle class” includes four points: 1) an income tax cut of $500 per person (or $1,000 per working family) for 150 million Americans; 2) a universal mortgage interest credit of 10% for homeowners who make under $50,000 a year; 3) the elimination of income tax for retirees making less than $50,000 a year; and 4) simplifying the process of filing a tax return.


http://www.thenation.com/doc/20070416/moberg
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 06:41 PM
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19. Obama was in Illinois too, for years
A lot longer than Edwards has been at it. That's why I support Obama, he's got proven experience following through on his promises.
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maximusveritas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 11:05 AM
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12. Look at their records
I think it's important not just to listen to what they have to say, but to look into what they've actually done. If we just had their words to rely on, George W. Bush could just apologize for everything he'd done previously, claimed to have seen the light (the political kind, not the religious kind), and pretend to be 100% liberal tomorrow. Luckilly, their voting records are all out in the public for us to examine and keep them honest.

Obama has had a consistent record of pushing progressive policies in both the Illinois and US Senate. He's also reached acrossed the aisle when necesary to pass common-sense legislation. With very few exceptions, his record matches his current rhetoric.

Edwards likes to ignore his record when he isn't apologizing for it. On issues as broad as the IWR, the bankruptcy bill, or storing nuclear waste at Yucca Mountain in Nevada, Edwards' record has too many red flags that can't just be apologized for and forgotten.
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goodgd_yall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 01:10 PM
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15. Edwards' vote on Yucca Mountain---what bill was that? He voted NO on S. 1287
Is that the one you mean? If it is, your information is not correct.
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maximusveritas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 06:20 PM
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17. No, that's not the one. It's more complicated than that.
Here's a good summary of his votes on this issue:

In 2000, Edwards voted against a bill for temporary storage of waste at Yucca. That bill passed and then President Bill Clinton vetoed it. Edwards then voted to override Clinton's veto. In 2002, he voted for the permanent repository.
http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2004/Jul-07-Wed-2004/news/24257674.html


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goodgd_yall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 08:57 PM
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22. Thank you for the clarification and link n/t
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 11:39 AM
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13. I'm supporting Obama because I think racism is the great question
this country needs to face. I won't be sobbing in grief if Edwards gets the nomnation, but I think racism of all kinds is the foundation of many of our problems.
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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 01:13 PM
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16. I can not get behind Hillary. I will not be voting for Edwards either.
Edited on Sat Sep-29-07 01:32 PM by Ethelk2044
We need someone to be able to get the support in the General. My biggest issue with Edwards was for the war. He only changed his mind now because he is running. If he happens to win (which I doubt) the primary. I could vote for him in the General. However, I do not believe that would happen. We need somone who will speak the truth not only when it is convenient but all the time. We also need someone who will bring this country together. I feel Obama is the person will do just that. Also, he was been working for the middle class and poor since he finished college. He did not just start working for them. He has proven his agenda is for the working class since he was a community organizer and in the Illnois state senate. He is not doing it just because of this election campaign.

Everyone is entitled to vote fore whomever they want. I wish all well.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 06:39 PM
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18. I trust Obama
He says what needs saying. His record in Illinois proves he follows through and gets the job done.

That's what we need.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 06:43 PM
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20. Obama Would Be A Fine President And His Election Would Be A Redemptive Moment For Our Nation
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 06:58 PM
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21. Come back when you've read "Dreams From My Father"
Edited on Sat Sep-29-07 07:09 PM by BeyondGeography
The feeling for Obama doesn't explain itself in a few sentences. Find out how the man thinks, what he has been through as a person, how he has processed his experiences, the choices he has made along the way (building mind and spirit before the wallet), the kindness and intelligence, the passion and toughness, it's all there in a book written by someone without so much real-world EXPERIENCE, but a rare gift for understanding the world that he would one day put to great use.

Reading is fundamental. :P

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