As Hillary Runs for the White House, Consider Bill's Eight Years of Peace and Prosperity

This thread got me thinking about the double standard Hillary Clinton is held to by some on the left. To them, it is perfectly legitimate to hold Hillary accountable for all the negative aspects of the Clinton presidency (or at least make a vague association) but withhold that same consideration when it pertains to the positives of Bill Clinton's eight years.

"Don't vote for Hillary! Her husband signed NAFTA!" vs. "The good economy? Hillary isn't Bill!"

So, in all fairness, we either admit Bill and Hillary Clinton are two separate people or they are forever joined.

I'm going to use the exact language of the above thread...

If Senator Clinton wants to use her husband's popularity to aid her campaign, we should know the good, bad, and ugly surrounding them both.

I agree. The other thead present a view of something "bad." I'll present a view of something good.

Economy: the Strongest Economy in a Generation

Longest Economic Expansion in U.S. History. In February 2000, the United States entered the 107th consecutive month of economic expansion -- the longest economic expansion in history. (National Bureau of Economic Research and Council of Economic Advisors)

Moving From Record Deficits to Record Surplus. In 1992, the Federal budget deficit was $290 billion - the largest dollar deficit in American history. In January 1993, the Congressional Budget Office projected that the deficit would grow to $455 billion by 2000. The Office of Management and Budget is now projecting a surplus of at least $230 billion for 2000 - the third consecutive surplus and the largest surplus ever, even after adjusting for inflation. Compared with original projections, that is over $685 billion less in government drain on the economy and over $685 billion more potentially available for private investment in this one year alone. The 2000 surplus is projected to be 2.4 percent of GDP -- the largest surplus as a share of GDP since 1948. This is the first time we have had three surpluses in a row in more than a half century, and it is the second consecutive surplus excluding Social Security. (Office of Management! and Budget; National Economic Council, 9/27/00)

Paying Off the National Debt. In July 2000, the Treasury Department announced that the United States will pay off $221 billion of debt this year -- the largest one-year debt pay down in American history. This will be the third consecutive year of debt reduction, bringing the three-year total to $360 billion. Public debt is on track to be $2.4 trillion lower in 2000 than was projected in 1993. Debt reduction brings real benefits for the American people -- a family with a home mortgage of $100,000 might expect to save roughly $2,000 per year in mortgage payments. Reduced debt also means lower interest rates and reduced payments on car loans and student loans. With the President's plan, we are now on track to eliminate the nation's publicly held debt by at least 2012. (Treasury Department, Office of Economic Policy, From Widening Deficits to Paying Down the Debt: Benefits for the American People, 8/4/99)

More Than 22 Million New Jobs. 22.2 million new jobs have been created since 1993, the most jobs ever created under a single Administration -- and more new jobs than Presidents Reagan and Bush created during their three terms. 92 percent (20 million) of the new jobs have been created in the private sector, the highest percentage in 50 years. Under President Clinton and Vice President Gore, the economy has added an average of 248,000 jobs per month, the highest under any President. This compares to 52,000 per month under President Bush and 167,000 per month under President Reagan. (Bureau of Labor Statistics)

Fastest and Longest Real Wage Growth in Over Three Decades. In the last 12 months, average hourly earnings have increased 3.8 percent -- faster than the rate of inflation. The United States has had five consecutive years of real wage growth -- the longest consecutive increase since the 1960s. Since 1993, real wages are up 6.5 percent, after declining 4.3 percent during the Reagan and Bush years. (National Economic Council, 6/00)

Household Income Breaks $40,000 for First Time in History. Income for median households rose $1,072, or 2.7 percent, from $39,744 in 1998 to $40,816, marking an unprecedented fifth year of significant growth in income. In 1999, the median income of African American households increased from $25,911 in 1998 to $27,910 -- an increase of $1,999, or 7.7 percent, which is the largest one-year increase ever recorded. The income of the median Hispanic household, adjusted for inflation, increased from $28,956 in 1998 to $30,735 in 1999 -- an increase of $1,779, or 6.1 percent, which is the largest one-year increase ever recorded. (Census Bureau, Money Income in the United States: 1999, 9/26/00)

Unemployment is the Lowest in Over Three Decades. Unemployment is down from 7.5 percent in 1992 to 3.9 percent in September, the lowest in more than three decades. The unemployment rate has fallen for seven years in a row, and has remained below 5 percent for 37 months in a row -- over three full years. Unemployment for African-Americans fell to the lowest level ever recorded, and for Hispanics it remains at historic lows. (Bureau of Labor Statistics)

Highest Homeownership Rate in History. The homeownership rate reached 67.2 percent in the second quarter of 2000 -- the highest ever recorded. Minority homeownership rates were also the highest ever recorded. In contrast, the homeownership rate fell from 65.6 percent in the first quarter of 1981 to 63.7 percent in the first quarter of 1993. There are almost 9 million more homeowners than in 1993. (Bureau of the Census, 7/26/00)

Lowest Poverty Rate Since 1979. In 1999, the poverty rate dropped from 12.7 percent to 11.8 percent, the lowest rate in two decades. Since President Clinton and Vice President Gore passed their Economic Plan in 1993, the poverty rate has declined from 15.1 percent in 1993 to 11.8 percent in 1999 - the largest six-year drop in poverty in nearly 30 years (1964-1970). There are now 7 million fewer people in poverty than in 1993, and over 2.2 million, or over 30 percent, of this decline occurred during the past year. (Census Bureau, Poverty in the United States: 1999, 9/26/00)

Largest One-Year Drop in Child Poverty in More than Three Decades. Under President Clinton and Vice President Gore child poverty has dropped by 25.6 percent -- from 22.7 percent in 1993 to 16.9 percent in 1999. While this is still too high, it is the lowest child poverty rate since 1979 and includes the largest one-year decline since 1966, which occurred from 1998 to 1999. The African American child poverty rate has fallen 28.2 percent since 1993, and dropped from 36.7 percent in 1998 to 33.1 percent in 1999 -- the largest one-year drop in history and the lowest level on record (data collected since 1959). The Hispanic child poverty rate has fallen by 26 percent since 1993, and dropped from 25.6 percent in 1998 to 22.8 percent in 1999 -- the lowest level since 1979. (Census Bureau, Poverty in the United States: 1999, 9/26/00)

Health Care: Increasing Access and Improving the Nation's Health

Enacted Most Comprehensive Medicare Reforms in History. In the 1997 Balanced Budget, the Clinton-Gore Administration protected, modernized and extended the life of the Medicare Trust Fund while offering new options for patient choice and preventive care. New preventive benefits passed include coverage of annual mammograms, coverage of screening tests for both colorectal and cervical cancer, and a diabetes self-management benefit. The President proposed a plan to reform and modernize Medicare's benefits, including an optional prescription drug benefit that is affordable and available to all beneficiaries. The President has also proposed a reserve fund to help Medicare beneficiaries with extremely high prescription drug costs. (National Economic Council/Domestic Policy Committee, 7/2/99)

Extending the Life of the Medicare Trust Fund. When President Clinton and Vice President Gore took office, Medicare was expected to run out of money in 1999. Now, the life of the Trust Fund has been extended until 2025. Medicare is now in the soundest shape it has been since 1975. (HHS Press Release, 3/30/00)

Enacted Single Largest Investment in Health Care for Children since 1965. The five year, $24 billion State Children's Health Insurance Program (S-CHIP) will provide health care coverage for up to five million children. Two million children have already been enrolled, and in October 1999 President Clinton announced new outreach initiatives to enroll millions more uninsured, eligible children. Last year, the President launched a nationwide "Insure Kids Now" campaign that will bring together major TV and radio networks, healthcare organizations, religious groups and other community-based organizations to help enroll more children in the Children's Health Insurance Program, with the goal of enrolling 5 million of the estimated 10 million children eligible for health insurance under S-CHIP within 5 years. As of June 2000, approximately 2.5 million children were enrolled in S-CHIP. This year, the budget includes sev! eral of Vice President Gore's proposals to accelerate enrollment of children in S-CHIP. The President is also proposing a new FamilyCare program, which would give States the option to cover parents in the same plan as their children. (FY 2001 Budget, p. 73)

Passed Meaningful Health Insurance Reform. The President signed into law the Kennedy-Kassebaum Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, which helps individuals keep health insurance when they change jobs, guarantees renewability of coverage, and ensures access to health insurance for small businesses. As many as 25 million people will benefit from this law. The bill also eliminated the discriminatory tax treatment the of the approximately 10 million Americans who are self-employed; strengthened efforts to combat health care fraud, waste and abuse by creating a stable source of funding; and provided consumer protections and tax incentives for private long-term care insurance. (FY 2000 Budget, p. 83; Domestic Policy Council)

More Americans Have Health Insurance. From 1998 to 1999, the number of Americans with health insurance rose by 1.7 million -- two-thirds of them children. This is the first decline in the number of uninsured in 12 years. Factors contributing to the decline in the uninsured include the establishment of the historic S-CHIP program; the unprecedented outreach and enrollment efforts by the Administration and key states; and the improving economy in which increasing numbers of employers are offering health insurance. Despite historic gains, millions of Americans remain without insurance. The President and Vice President remain committed to provide health insurance coverage for all Americans. (Census Bureau, Health Insurance Coverage: 1999, 9/28/00)

Enacted Historic Comprehensive FDA Reform that Expedited the Review and Approval of New Drug Products. The President signed into law the 1997 FDA Modernization Act that includes important measures to modernize and streamline the regulation of biological products; increase patient access to experimental drugs and medical devices; and accelerate review of important new medications. This reform builds on the administrative initiatives implemented under the Vice President's reinventing government effort which have led U.S. drug approvals to be as fast or faster than any other industrialized nation. Average drug approval times have dropped since the beginning of the Administration from almost three years to just over one year. (Domestic Policy Council)

Signed Mental Health Parity Provisions into Law. To help eliminate discrimination against individuals with mental illnesses, the President signed into law mental health parity provisions that prohibit health plans from establishing separate lifetime and annual limits for mental health coverage. In 1999, the White House held the first-ever Conference on Mental Health and released the Surgeon General's first Report on Mental Health. This year, the President's budget includes an investment of $100 million for mental health services, a 90 percent increase since 1993 levels. (FY 2001 Budget, p. 246)

Signed Legislation to End Drive-Through Deliveries. President Clinton signed into law common sense legislation that requires health plans to allow new mothers to remain in the hospital for at least 48 hours following most normal deliveries and 96 hours after a Cesarean section. (Presidential Statement, 9/26/96)

Extended Strong, Enforceable Patient Protections for Millions of Americans. Leading by example, the President directed all federal agencies to ensure that their employees and beneficiaries have the benefits and rights guaranteed under the proposed Patients' Bill of Rights. 85 million Americans covered by federal health plans, and Medicare and Medicaid, have the security of knowing they will have fair access to health care thanks to the President's work. The President and Vice President have called for passage of the bipartisan Patients Bill of Rights Act, to ensure that all Americans have essential protections, such as guaranteed access to needed health care specialists; access to emergency room services when and where the need arises; continuity of care protections to assure patient care if a patient's health care provider is dropped; access to a timely internal and independent external appeals process with a medical necessity standard; assurance that doctors and! patients can openly discuss treatment options; and an enforcement mechanism that ensures recourse for patients who have been harmed as a result of health plan actions. (FY 2000 Budget, p. 85)

Fighting Medicare Fraud and Waste. Since 1993, the Clinton-Gore Administration has assigned more federal prosecutors and FBI agents to fight health care fraud than ever before. As a result, convictions have gone up a full 410 percent, saving more than $50 billion in health care claims. The Balanced Budget Act gave an array of new weapons in our fight to keep scam artists and fly-by-night health care out of Medicare and Medicaid. (Domestic Policy Council, Health Care Achievements)

Released Strong New Protections for the Privacy of Electronic Medical Records. The Clinton-Gore Administration released a new regulation to protect the privacy of electronic medical records held by health plans, health care clearinghouses, and health care providers. This rule would limit the use and release of private health information without consent; restrict the disclosure of protected health information to the minimum amount of information necessary; establish new requirements for disclosure of information to researchers and others seeking access to health records; and establish new administrative and criminal sanctions for the improper use or disclosure of private information. (Domestic Policy Council)

Implementing Comprehensive Nursing Home Quality Initiative. The Clinton-Gore Administration has issued the toughest nursing home regulations in the history of the Medicare and Medicaid programs, including increased monitoring of nursing homes to ensure that they are in compliance; requiring states to crack down on nursing homes that repeatedly violate health and safety requirements; and changing the inspection process to increase the focus on preventing bedsores, malnutrition and resident abuse. They also won a $43.5 million increase in FY 2000 to fund more rigorous inspections of nursing facilities and improved federal oversight and enforcement of nursing home quality. (HHS Fact Sheet, 12/14/99; National Economic Council, 11/18/99)

Ensuring Safe Food for America's Families. President Clinton created the President's Council on Food Safety to develop a comprehensive food safety strategic plan for federal agencies. The Clinton-Gore Administration has implemented a new science-based inspection system -- Hazard Analysis and Critical Control Points -- and reduced the prevalence of salmonella in raw meat and poultry by as much as 50 percent. The President signed the Food Quality Protection Act, which included special safeguards for kids and strengthened laws governing pesticides and food safety. The Administration also issued new rules to prevent foodborne illness caused by pathogens such as E. coli. (Executive Order 13100, 8/25/98; USDA Press Release, 10/7/99; USDA Press Release, 10/7/99)

Raised Child Immunization Rates to All Time High. Childhood immunization coverage rates in 1998 were the highest ever recorded. 90 percent of toddlers in 1996, 1997 and 1998 received the most critical doses of each of the routinely recommended vaccines, surpassing the President's 1993 goal. Because childhood vaccination levels in the United States are at an all-time high, disease and death from diphtheria, pertussis, tetanus, measles, mumps, rubella and Hib are at or near record lows. There was only one reported case of diphtheria, 100 reported cases of measles, and no reported cases of wild poliovirus in 1998. (HHS Fact Sheet, 9/23/99; HHS Fact Sheet, 12/31/99)

Promoting Reproductive Health. The Clinton-Gore Administration has taken strong steps to protect a woman's right to choose and to promote safe reproductive health services for women. The President has provided contraceptive coverage to more than a million women covered by federal health plans; provided family planning services to low income women through the Medicaid program; stood up against attempts to prohibit the FDA from approving RU-486; and continues to fight restrictions on international family planning. (Domestic Policy Council)

Environment: Growing the Economy And Improving the Environment

Preserving Our National Treasures. The Clinton-Gore Administration has protected tens of millions of acres, from the red rock canyons of Utah to the Florida Everglades. The Administration reached agreements to protect Yellowstone from mining and save the ancient redwoods of California's Headwaters Forest. In the FY 2000 budget, the President and Vice President won $651 million (a 42 percent increase) for Lands Legacy, a historic initiative to strengthen federal efforts to preserve national treasures and provides communities with new resources to protect local green spaces. This year, the President's budget includes a record $1.4 billion for Lands Legacy -- a 93 percent increase and the largest one-year investment ever requested for conserving America's lands. (Protecting Our National Treasures, Department of Interior; National Economic Council, 11/18/99; White House Fact Sheet, 2/7/00)

Created Nine New National Monuments. The Clinton-Gore Administration has created nine new national monuments: Grand Staircase-Escalante, protecting spectacular red rock canyonlands in Utah; Grand Canyon-Parashant, protecting deep canyons, mountains and buttes on the north rim of the Grand Canyon; Agua Fria, protecting extensive prehistoric ruins in Arizona; the California Coastal monument, protecting thousands of islands, rocks and reefs along the California coast; Giant Sequoia National Monument in California's Sierra Nevada, protecting 34 groves of ancient sequoias, the largest trees on earth; Canyons of the Ancients National Monument protecting America's highest density of archeological sites in southwest Colorado; Cascade-Siskiyou National Monument protecting unmatched biological diversity in the Cascade Range in southern Oregon; Hanford Reach National Monument protecting critical habitat for salmon spawning along one of the last free-flowing stretches of! the Columbia River in south central Washington; Ironwood Forest National Monument protecting rich stands of ironwood trees - known to live more than 800 years -- in the Sonoran Desert of Arizona. The Administration also expanded Pinnacles National Monument in California to better protect the area's unusual rock formations, and designated Anderson Cottage, which served as Abraham Lincoln's summer home while he was president, a national monument. (Presidential Proclamations, 9/18/96, 1/11/00, 6/9/00, 7/7/00)

Preserving Our National Forests. The President directed the National Forest Service to develop and propose regulations to provide long-term protection for 40 million acres of roadless areas within national forests and ensure that future generations will be able to enjoy the pristine wilderness. The proposed regulations would ban road building in these areas and could also prohibit logging or other activities that harm their unique ecological value. (Executive Memorandum, 10/13/99)

Accelerating Toxic Cleanups and Brownfields Redevelopment. The Clinton-Gore Administration has completed clean up at more than 530 Superfund sites, more than three times as many as completed in the previous twelve years. Clean up of more than 91 percent of all sites is either completed or in progress. The Administration's brownfields redevelopment initiative has leveraged over $2.3 billion in private sector investment and generated 6,400 jobs. (Environmental Protection Agency, Superfund NPL Construction Completions Since 1/20/93 to 6/22/99; EPA Headlines, www.epa.gov, 8/24/00)

Keeping Our Drinking Water Safe. The President proposed and signed legislation to strengthen the Safe Drinking Water Act to ensure that our families have healthy, clean tap water. The Clinton-Gore Administration has required America's 55,000 water utilities to provide regular reports to their customers on the quality of their drinking water. The Administration significantly tightened the arsenic standard, providing additional protection to at least 22.5 million Americans from cancer and other health problems. The Administration has adopted or proposed new standards to provide the first-ever protection against waterborne illness like Cryptosporidium, potentially preventing more than half a million illnesses each year. The Administration also proposed new rule to reduce dirty runoff and strengthen protections for 20,000 rivers, lakes and other waterways too polluted for swimming and fishing. Ninety-one percent of America's tap water from community drinking water sys! tems now meets all federal standards. (PL 104-182, 8/6/96; White House, Council on Environmental Quality, 4/22/99; Environmental Protection Agency, Summary of the 2000 Budget, p. 30; Environmental Protection Agency, Press Release, 5/24/00)

Clearing the Air of Unhealthy Pollution. The President and Vice President have adopted the toughest standards ever on soot and smog. They proposed significant reductions in tailpipe emissions from cars, light trucks and SUVs, and launched long-term effort to restore pristine skies over our national parks and wilderness areas. Since 1993, the number of Americans living in communities that meet federal air quality standards has grown by 43 million. (White House, Council on Environmental Quality, 5/1/99)

Reducing the Threat of Global Warming. The Clinton-Gore Administration negotiated an international treaty to reduce greenhouse gas emissions in an environmentally strong and economically sound way. The President and Vice President secured $1.1 billion in FY 2000 for research and development of energy efficiency and clean energy technologies, and set a goal of tripling U.S. use of bio-energy and bio-products by 2010. The President issued several Executive Orders. The first order directs agencies to dramatically improve energy efficiency in federal buildings, saving taxpayers over $750 million a year when fully implemented. The second order improves fuel efficiency by requiring the Federal government to reduce fuel use in its vehicle fleets by 20 percent in five years. The third order offers federal workers incentives to use public transportation, cutting fuel use and the pollution that contributes to climate change.(EPA; National Economic Council, 11! /18/99; Executive Memorandum, 8/12/99; Executive Order, 6/3/99; Executive Order, 4/22/00)

Protecting Oceans and Coasts. The Clinton-Gore Administration has extended the moratorium on new oil leasing off most of the U.S. coast through 2012, and permanently barred new leasing in national marine sanctuaries. They directed the development of key recommendations for strengthening federal oceans policy for the 21st century and appointed a high-level task force to oversee the implementation of those recommendations and launched a new era of ocean exploration where federal researchers will collaborate with marine research institutions and universities for ocean exploration. The President and Vice President secured a funding increase of over 100 percent to better support national marine sanctuaries, and have led the world in calling for a global ban on ocean dumping of low-level radioactive waste. (White House Executive Order 5/26/00, Office of the Press Secretary, 6/12/98; Executive Order 6/11/98; Office of the Press Secretary 11/3/93)

Science and Technology: A Strong Research and Development Agenda

Unprecedented Investment in Biomedical Research. Two years ago, the President called for an increase of almost 50 percent over 5 years in the National Institutes of Health (NIH) budget as part of his Research for America Fund. Since that time, the NIH budget has increased by over $4.3 billion and with the funding proposed by the President this year, the Administration will be one year ahead of schedule in reaching the 50 percent goal. As a result, NIH now supports the highest levels of research ever on nearly all types of disease and health conditions, making new breakthroughs possible in vaccine development and use, the treatment of chronic disease, and prevention and treatment of diseases such as diabetes, osteoporosis, heart disease, cancer, and neurological diseases like Alzheimers and Parkinsons. The Clinton-Gore Administration's FY 2001 budget includes a $1 billion increase for NIH. (National Economic Council, 11/18/99; Domestic Policy Council; FY! 2001 Budget, p. 103)

Supporting University Research, Training the Next Generation of Scientists and Engineers. The FY 2000 budget contained a 6.6 percent increase in the National Science Foundation research budget to support science and engineering research across all fields and disciplines. This includes $126 million for the Administration's "Information Technology for the 21st Century" initiative. (National Economic Council, 11/18/99)

Ensuring U.S. Leadership in Space Science and Exploration. The Clinton-Gore Administration won increased investment of $13.65 billion for NASA in FY 2000. This investment offers the potential of new scientific breakthroughs through an aggressive robotic series of exploration missions into the solar system, as well as enhancing our ability to monitor important changes in the earth's climate systems, and strengthening aviation safety for the traveling public. (National Economic Council, 11/18/99)

Strengthening the Economy and National Security with Information Technology. The Administration continued our investment to help ensure that America leads the world in information technologies that predict tornadoes, design life-saving drugs, and make air travel safer and more efficient, and maintain our nuclear weapons stockpile without nuclear testing. (National Economic Council, 11/18/99)

Foreign Policy: World's Strongest Force for Peace, Freedom and Prosperity

Promoting Peace and Strengthening Democracy

* Advancing peace in the Middle East by hosting the Camp David Summit between Israelis and Palestinians, which constituted the first high-level discussions of all permanent status issues; brokering peace agreements between Israel and its other neighbors, including the Palestinians and Jordan; negotiating the Wye River Accords; supporting the launch of final settlement negotiations between the Israelis and Palestinians; and revitalizing peace talks between the Syrians and Israelis.
* Stabilizing Southeast Europe by ending a decade of repression and ethnic cleansing in Kosovo through leading NATO alliance to victory in air campaign and ushering in international peacekeepers, and by launching the Stability Pact to strengthen democracy, economic development and security throughout the region and accelerating its integration with the rest of Europe
* Helped broker the Good Friday Peace Accord in Northern Ireland, ending decades of bloodshed and empowering the people of Northern Ireland to determine their future.
* Led diplomatic efforts to end the civil war and foster multi-ethnic democracy in Bosnia.
* Restored democratic government in Haiti, ending military dictatorship and stopping refugee flows.
* Supporting transitions to democracy in South Africa, Nigeria, Indonesia, Central Europe and the Baltics and supporting the mediation of peace efforts in the Democratic Republic of the Congo, the Central African Republic, Sierra Leone, Burundi, and Ethiopia-Eritrea.
* Helped end violence and protected democracy in East Timor by leading diplomatic efforts and supporting international peacekeeping mission.
* Helped settle the Peru-Ecuador border dispute and end civil war in Guatemala.
* Pressing for human rights and religious freedom worldwide, including in China, Burma and Sudan.
* Re-started talks toward a comprehensive settlement on Cyprus.

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As was the number of Americans living below the poverty line...


"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."

-John Adams,

like other Presidents, there's a factor of luck. We don't have "a strong" economy now.

Therefore, no thank you CLINTONS!!! You are stuck in the past and want to party like it's 1995. We just ain't buying it - nor wish for political royalty running our executive branch. :shrug:

But he did usher in the age of outsourcing. Nice way to make his fat contributors even richer while fucking over the rest of us.

It's safe to assume that most Americans want to also.

Cavalier

from REAL people. Many people suffered even more under his centrist reign. :(

:eyes: A great deal of suffering was brought about by this *spiffy* centrist plan. :puke:

If you don't like the Kennedys you're not a Democrat...

Yeah, I said it...

in it. I have not ever been "Ga Ga" (Camelot? :puke:) over the promotion of Political Royalty. :eyes:

RFK said all most folks want is a "good job and some hope"...

I would have had more exceptions than Clinton though...

Not having a job and wanting one is injurious to one's self esteem...

argument... Safe to say, the majority remember who gave them a leg up to the promised land.

I guess when you balance your checkbook you think your balance is the result of LUCK.

Your posts are becoming more ridiculous and absurd by the day.

In college, I worked three jobs. :shrug:

You've never been around poor people in your life, have you?

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African American and Hispanic Unemployment Rates Were the Lowest on Record in 1999. The unemployment rate for African Americans has fallen from 14.2 percent in 1992 to 8.0 percent in 1999 – the lowest rate on record. The unemployment rate for Hispanics has fallen from 11.6 percent in 1992 to 6.4 percent in 1999 -- the lowest rate on record.








http://clinton4.nara.gov/WH/New/html/20000112_1.html

Are we electing Bill or Hillary? who would take the oath??? who was truly hurt by Bills Impeachable Blowjob???

Was Exchanged

sheesh

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Too bad he built his "prosperity" on the backs of the poor and the working class. And you might want to ask some surviving Iraqis about his "peace".

Nope. The poor and the working class benefited as the stats above show. What about Iraqis? It would be better to ask Saddam Hussein (if he were alive) about his "peace."

has this place suddenly turned into the Heritage Foundation?

has this place suddenly turned into Weather Underground?

but you DID call someone a socialist. Making up strawmen of things I didn't say is not a defense for what you said.

And, yes, I called someone a socialist who called me a Republican. That kitchen sure is hot.

that is not the same as saying what someone else said.

get your facts straight before you attack someone. You're coming unglued lately.

that you think attacking someone with personal slurs is acceptable discouse, or your confidence that nothing will be done about it here.

Check the polls. You'll learn that most of the country leans socialist. Including me.

are NOW called "socialists?!?"

You never fail to disappoint me. :(

No, child, anyone who calls Bill Clinton a Republican is Waaaaaay left. Socialist.

You can't continue to provide "corporate welfare" while leaving mere scraps for the workers. The DLC is all for corporations, first and always. Yes, The Clintons will usher in another Depression if they maintain the policies of their last Presidency. :thumbsdown:

The collapse of the Soviet Union and the internet boom did more for the 90s than Clinton's policies did. He just stood around and took credit for it while the Rethugs took over every other branch of government.

The collapse of the Soviet Union...

:shrug:

internet boom did more for the 90s than Clinton's policies did.

Ignorance is bliss (hint: the tech boom began win? The economy took off when?)

Something the Clinton folks have deliberately tried to obscure to justify more of their pro-NAFTA, anti-welfare policies.

I told you why, and all you came back with was snark. Go read a little and come back when you have something to say.

HOW did the collapse of the soviet union contribute to it (more so than Clinton's '93 budget initiative.) How do you explain the economy was clicking on all eight cylinders BEFORE the tech boom?

the stock market, "Life is Grand."

However, the rest of us are serfs are barely breaking even ... busting our a**es for "Our Corporate Masters." :puke:

It won't be long until the entire country gets thrown into another Depression and it won't be pretty.

The shameless corporate welfare and endless war mongering in order to feed The Military Industrial Complex MUST BE REIGNED IN SOON lest we pay a very high price. :(

Right.

Quick, hit me with a "I'm Rubber. You're Glue" retort. It would make my morning complete.

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:rofl:

Care to try again, Elmer?

A typical post from you trying to get people to ignore what is patently obvious...

I swear, I don't know where the Hillary campaign digs these people up...

A book from his posts he has taken to heart, not the side Orwell intended I am sure...

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Or should I say double plus untrue...

You might understand that better!

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Perhaps you better stick to shilling for the "progressive" Ministry of Truth...

Shouldn't we leave the puerile insults to the Rethuglicans?

After all, he started by comparing me to George Orwell. I thought his puerile insults could use a little work.

eom

If you try to insult someone by calling them "Orwell", you definitely suck at insulting people.

Oops, I should be careful. Elmer may call me Aldous Huxley next. :scared:

Can't happen here. :rofl:

savelmer seems to consider it an insult.

:shrug:

the fact that you think a prophetic visionary that foretold fascism
is a BAD thing, is just amazing. the Clinton campaign needs to have a better educated spokesperson.

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But let me refresh your memory as it appears you do not...

"Orwellian describes the situation, idea, or societal condition that George Orwell identified as being inimical to the welfare of a free-society. An attitude and a policy of control by propaganda, misinformation, denial of truth, and manipulation of the past"

Something the far left and far right seem to have in common...

his book is not PROMOTING that type of society, he wrote a cautionary tale AGAINST it.
That's why I'm thinkin you haven't actually read it.
You seem to think Orwell is exactly the opposite of what he was....which is kind of ironic, considering his whole ministry of truth concept.

He also thinks Hillary is exactly the opposite of what she is.

I as I have I believe explained what I meant, and as I believe most people are intelligent enough to see the implication in the way I used it, and as I believe you considered it an insult before your post was deleted...I don't think your feigned obtuseness is really worth continuing with...

now you're claiming you weren't calling him orwell the author.

you are really, really, funny, just not intentionally.

:)

I gave you too much credit...you aren't feigning obtuseness...

BTW, K&R!

When someone spoke about something she disagreed with her husband on, she said "Well, he isn't here right now...I am." I thought that was her best line.

Both are CHIEFS and their DLCers are the Indians. :puke: :scared:

If you backtrack all the events that have followed since then, you'll see the attack was premeditated to the 10th degree. Russert's job was to lay the foundation for the forthcoming nefarious media attacks to ensue with the goal of divide (the Clintons) and conquer. Hillary's debate response set Russert back on his heels, never expecting Mrs. Clinton to stand her ground with firm resolve.

The best they could glean from current events was in desperation, THE LAUGH!

Nice going, Mrs. Clinton, Senator Clinton, Chelsea's mom... We Love Ya!

I have to give her kudos for that response.

and I thank you...for that!

:toast:

you had the first twin tower bombing, the Cole, Somalia, Kosovo.....
His bombing in afghanistan, etc.

I think revisionist history helps no one.

Clinton is responsible for the attacks? Clinton should have let the ethnic cleansing continue? Again, whats your point?

you can put words in my mouth if you want, I'm saying "peace" is not an accurate descriptor. I wasn't laying blame, just pointing out it wasn't a peaceful 8 years.

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The amount of anti and pro Hillary threads is mind numbing. Since I'm neither, I don't keep up with all of them. Only topics of interest to me or attacks on my candidates.

:(

:)

So long sad times
Go long bad times
We are rid of you at last

Howdy gay times
Cloudy gray times
You are now a thing of the past

Happy days are here again
The skies above are clear again
So let's sing a song of cheer again
Happy days are here again

Altogether shout it now
There's no one
Who can doubt it now
So let's tell the world about it now
Happy days are here again

Your cares and troubles are gone
There'll be no more from now on
From now on ...

Happy days are here again
The skies above are clear again
So, Let's sing a song of cheer again

Happy times
Happy nights
Happy days
Are here again!

http://kids.niehs.nih.gov/lyrics/happydays.htm

Life will be Shit under a DLC "Corporations Rule" President!

And in the sky I saw Richard Nixon
smoking a lacey with Mr. Dickson
He said "Son there's something
I must say I do not believe I've
found a better way" And then a
vision came and it look a lot
like Bob Crane. And Bob sang:

Life is shit, life is shit
The world is shit, the world is shit
and this is life as I know it.
this is life as I know it.

... The Dead Milkmen

Now this is music:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fA8OmK3qslw

:evilgrin:

Howard beware 'cause we don't wanna hurt you
While the sun is shining, that'd be cruel
Howard beware 'cause we're gonna get you
We know where your kids go to school

Howard Howard beware
Howard Howard beware
Howard Howard beware

Cause you're so easy to scare
You'll hide from the shadows
And everybody knows

Howard beware the Russians they don't like you
Might as well drop the bomb on you
Howard beware the government won't protect you
Like to see you turned into Howard stew

Howard Howard beware
Howard Howard beware
Howard Howard beware

Cause you're so easy to scare
You'll hide from the shadows
And everybody knows

Howard beware the neighbors wanna kill you
Might just all form an angry mob
Howard beware your mother has disowned you
Says that you're a pervert and a slob

Howard Howard beware
Howard Howard beware
Howard Howard beware

Cause you're so easy to scare
You'll hide from the shadows
And everybody knows

Now this is music


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnRqYMTpXHc

It's like everyone abandons playing offense on the orignal anti-Clinton thread to run to mine to play defense. :)

on the one hand you howl at anyone who suggests Hillary is running on her husbands track record...

then you post that we need to vote for her because of her husbands track record...

Nope, sorry. My point is, as always, we will judge her on her husband's entire record or not at all.

Which do you prefer?

...

;)

:eyes:

Now theres a dream ticket!

good one LOL. Now please come over to my rickety card table where I can give you some convincing propaganda my cult leader has allotted me.
:p

That's what we're supposed to suck on.

People think that there was "peace and prosperity" during the Clinton years. This faux-nostalgia kick forgets some very basic things that happened during those "wonderful" years.

We had NAFTA signed by Clinton. We had the China MFN Act signed. Just those two pieces of legislation have wreaked havoc on the working class and sucked millions of jobs and the steel industry out of our hands.

We had welfare reform that Reagan would have been proud of, putting single mothers into having to getting menial jobs at Walmart (yeah, those millions of jobs) while having to send their kids to daycare. Homelessness levels have increased greatly.

We've had skyrocketing healthcare costs that started during the Clinton years. We had the further monopolization of the telecommunications industry happen with the Telecommunications Act, signed by Clinton.

Then there's the pitiful Defense Of Marriage Act, signed by Clinton at a time when he was less than respectful of his own marriage.

Then, lest we forget, the Dot Bomb blowout. Clinton again.

He felt our pain...and gave us more.

That's a lot more to discuss...and of course, by standing up to the Clinton Machine's triangulation, I'll be called a Republican or whatever. To those that dare say that, my middle finger salutes you.

But about the "peace"...

Here's some assessments of the embargo on Iraq and continuous bombing of the Iraqi infrastructure with the "No Fly zone" policies during the "peaceful" Clinton years:



Information is your friend.

Great post... thanks for speaking truth to spin.

:hi:

whether they give a shit about whether some Americans perceived the economy as being good under Bill...

I don't think they do!

Read Ramsey Clark's "Fire & Ice" about the one-two punch of Bush I's Gulf War + the UN/US economic sanctions that "beloved" Bill left in place.

Starving citizens does not bring down bad regimes - and it really isn't intended to - :(

Woohoo! Conservatism is fun!

The Clinton years, as this movie more than proves, weren't the peaches and cream sundae on the beach everyone made them out to be. Many factories and manufacturers started closing their doors for good in favor of cheap overseas labor. Offshoring of tech jobs started during this time period and accelerated during the Bewsh years. Wasn't the largest employer during that time period a TEMP house (Manpower)?

Bush I - introduce the idea
Clinton I - soften up the target with sanctions and misery
Bush II - bomb the shit out it
Clinton II - pick out the good pieces from the trash heap, share with your richie friends, and watch it die.

...scary!

Actually, you just might be spot on.

Right here. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3581153&mesg_id=3581333

I point out that many black people had to work multiple jobs because of Clinton's economic policies, and wyldwolf responds "Uhh...so? In college, I worked three jobs."


There's compassionate conservatism for ya.

But if someone chooses to follow your link, I'm sure they'll notice you gave no evidence of your claim.

And you didn't complain about lack of evidence. You compared your white, middle-class college experience to a black single mother trying to raise her children on minimum wage.

I know, I know. If she couldn't afford them kids, she shouldn'ta had'em. Right?

It's pretty hard to unring that bell, isn't it?

you know, I remember having to drive to the mall, in my mercedes, both ways uphill! those were tough times!

That was then, this is now. Bill Clinton did not have the atmosphere and pressures that this country now faces. Would he had been an effective Prez under these conditions? We don't know. Would 9-11 had not happened if he was still Prez at the time of the event? We don't know (but Osama Bin Ladin did plan the World Trade Center attacks under his watch). Prosperity and peace was then, terrorism, wars and economic unbalance is now. In addition, every aspects of those 8 eights years you announced did not have the current situations and the element of billions of dollars bleeding daily of two wars. That prosperity you referenced took money and resources. We are extremely short on both.

Until the war is stopped, nothing gets done unless you raise taxes or continue to cut social programs. Question, where would those $$$ go? (Hillary is not stopping combat operations) In addition, we have a unbalanced trade world trade agreements, we loan more money to other countries and we get less money in return. Will we ever achieve that balance under these current conditions? You mentioned NAFTA, that law lost millions of jobs, destroyed american families and changed lives. That's not something to sneer at.

We all love to reminisce about the good old 1990's but Bill Clinton is NOT running for Prez, Hillary is. If nominated, does she have the chops or skills to run this country effectively? Is she as skilled as her husband? Will she stop the war in Iraq (she has already said no) saving the lives of our soldiers who are dying/severely wounded everyday? What about the soldiers when/if they return? Full health care? benefits? Full economic assistance for them? Psychologically care or will we have a new batch of Vietnam vets? By the time this war ends, the country will be broke financially, plus WE STILL HAVE TO REBUILD IRAQ. As Colin Powell said, "we broke it, we own it" That' a true statement if ever I heard one.

Hillary is no different than any other presidential candidate running for office. She is and will be a green rookie with only her experience as a Senator from New York to fall back on if elected. At least Bill was a governor of a state. She will be no different than any other candidate but the questions I ask are: What is her purpose for wanting the presidency? Is she in it for the american people or is she in it for her own career goals? (to be the first female Prez equal to her husband. As Bill said, THEY have been planning this for years. That doesn't sound good to me)

Does she have the american people in mind? Can she handle the pressure? can she garner NATO support and support from other nations to assist with Iraq (a very tough task, I guess that will be Bill's job)). Will she find and capture/kill Osama? Will she be respected around the world? Can she bring respectability back to the U.S.? Does she have the right personality to be effective? Bush/Chaney have done an unbelievable job of totally fucking this country up (Bill didn't have these challenges facing him). As First Lady, (Governor's wife and White House), she PERFORMED First Lady duties. This does not count as experience. Plus, don't count Health Care, that's only one task. She did not make world decisions on policy or laws. She did not sit in that chair in the Oval Office, which makes all the difference. Other world leaders know that.

You want people (long with the mass media) to believe that since Hillary is married to Bill, spent 8 years as First Lady in the White House, that she qualifies as an effective leader? that's extremely :rofl:! I know that the media and polling agencies are trying to sell her to the public (she's their media darling) but don't believe the hype! Plus, Bill won't be able to help her. IF WE NEED BILL TO CARRY HER, THEN WHY THE FUCK DO WE NEED HER?

Be realistic: We live in a different time, different challenges, different atmosphere. Those days of prosperity and peace are gone. If elected (I seriously doubt it) Hillary won't bring it back. We need someone who wants to be PRESIDENT BY AND FOR THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES. This should not be a final career goal. Don't compare this to a corporation with money hungry stockholders. This presidential term is way too serious.

1. Hillary is no Bill.
2. Hillary will not have the same team as Bill.
3. The times are different.
4. We are now in a WAR she Voted For.
5. Her inability to make the right decisions.
6. Bill will not be President. Like he said he will not be the one running the country.
7. We have NAFTA. They have been outsourcing Jobs.
8. She is for increasing H1B Visa's. Therefore look for Americans to continue to lose jobs.
9. She has shown she does not have the ability to make appropriate decisons (i.e. Iraq WAR).

1. Hillary is no Bill? Duh! If you'd read the OP you'd know that was the point
2. Did you use a rightwing source (as is your practice) to come up with these?

Yeah, the rightwing sources are complaining about the war and NAFTA. :eyes:

Jeez, at least your tone-deaf comparison of yourself to poor black workers was original...

Nothing more needs to be said, really.

Nothing more needs to be said, really.

zing!

That brought us the dotcom meltdown, the Enron's and Worldcoms, et al.

Not to mention the so called "energy crisis" that began on his watch.

Not exactly what I'd consider sound economic policies.

She's not Bill.

Criticize Bill and you're reminded that he's not running. It's a nifty little trick.

and if you talk about Lewinsky or Sexual Harrassment, none of that stuff will come back because with Bill as First Lady, he won't be free to roam the white house for women staffers or interns.

If boosh had accomplished 1/10th as much, we would be in a very good place today

Can't wait for Hill and Bill to be back in the WH.

:woohoo: :applause: :woohoo:

as opposed to the Bush Dynasty?

than a wife inheriting the position, with little experience, and serving as a proxy/co-president for her Husband.

If the American people were dum enough to vote for a Bush Dynasty, a Clinton Monarchy is very likely.

Her only so-called experience is by osmosis of sharing a bed with bill clinton.

why should we give sexual offenders second chances?

because they are beyond dumb, they are brainwashed into thinking that illegal monarchies are good.

He was the President. He had a great VP, great appointees. Hillary was First Lady, never held an official elected or appointed position, and was never on the ballot. She would never duplicate this, not even close.

Bill Clinton, his wife, and the entire DLC need to switch parties - they are clearly the Moderate Republicans of the 1970s. If they don't LEAVE, don't depend on MANY of us liberal democrats to vote-in their DLC a**es to office. :shrug:

Is there a Bridge in Brooklyn or wherever you hang out that I can sell you? :eyes:

You are supporting DU'ers voting for Hillary because we will get BILL and it will be "BACK TO THE '90's" like some Movie Promotion of "Back to Good Times" when those "Good Times" came with a price tag that Americans are PAYING NOW? GIVE ME A BREAK!

what does that say about the recession under Carter and the "prosperity" under Reagan?

Oh wait - you might have thought differently about the Reagan years than I did...

Hillary has never been a leader. We all know Bill is the guy and everyone really just wants Bill's 3rd term. Forget Hillary.

CIA renditions were begun by Clinton in 1995. In Yugoslavia, Clinton purposely targeted the power plants to deny the civilian population of Belgrade with heat while they were in the middle of winter. Clinton also targeted Belgrade's TV station, a practice that was perfected by Bush.

How about the half million Iraqi children whose deaths are directly attributed to Clinton's policies towards Iraq?

Prosperity? For the investor class perhaps. For the working class, we saw our factories being closed and our jobs going to Mexico, all thanks to NAFTA.

Shall we mention Clinton's evil welfare reform?

... and Saddam had only to comply with UN sanctions and he would have been fine.

One of the not-so-secret dirty secrets of our Balkan war, that had more to do with George Soros financial interests than with any concern about human rights.

# PRESIDENT BILL CLINTON developed the nation's first anti-terrorism policy, and appointed first national coordinator of anti-terrorist efforts.
# Bill Clinton stopped cold the Al Qaeda millennium hijacking and bombing plots.
# Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to kill the Pope.
# Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to blow up 12 U.S. jetliners simultaneously.
# Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to blow up UN Headquarters.
# Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to blow up FBI Headquarters.
# Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to blow up the Israeli Embassy in Washington.
# Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to blow up Boston airport.
# Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to blow up Lincoln and Holland Tunnels in NY.
# Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to blow up the George Washington Bridge.
# Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to blow up the US Embassy in Albania.
# Bill Clinton tried to kill Osama bin Laden and disrupt Al Qaeda through preemptive strikes (efforts denounced by the G.O.P.).
# Bill Clinton brought perpetrators of first World Trade Center bombing and CIA killings to justice.
# Bill Clinton did not blame the Bush I administration for first World Trade Center bombing even though it occurred 38 days after Bush left office. Instead, worked hard, even obsessively -- and successfully -- to stop future terrorist attacks.
# Bill Clinton named the Hart-Rudman commission to report on nature of terrorist threats and major steps to be taken to combat terrorism.
# Bill Clinton sent legislation to Congress to tighten airport security. (Remember, this is before 911) The legislation was defeated by the Republicans because of opposition from the airlines.
# Bill Clinton sent legislation to Congress to allow for better tracking of terrorist funding. It was defeated by Republicans in the Senate because of opposition from banking interests.
# Bill Clinton sent legislation to Congress to add tagents to explosives, to allow for better tracking of explosives used by terrorists. It was defeated by the Republicans because of opposition from the NRA.
# Bill Clinton increased the military budget by an average of 14 per cent, reversing the trend under Bush I.
# Bill Clinton tripled the budget of the FBI for counterterrorism and doubled overall funding for counterterrorism.
# Bill Clinton detected and destroyed cells of Al Qaeda in over 20 countries.
# Bill Clinton created national stockpile of drugs and vaccines including 40 million doses of smallpox vaccine.
# Of Clinton's efforts says Robert Oakley, Reagan Ambassador for Counterterrorism: "Overall, I give them very high marks" and "The only major criticism I have is the obsession with Osama".
# Paul Bremer, current Civilian Administrator of Iraq disagrees slightly with Robert Oakley as he believed the Bill Clinton Administration had "correctly focused on bin Laden.
# Barton Gellman in the Washington Post put it best, "By any measure available, Bill Clinton left office having given greater priority to terrorism than any president before him" and was the "first administration to undertake a systematic anti-terrorist effort".


Beginning on Aug. 7, 1998, the day that al Qaeda
destroyed the U.S. embassies in Nairobi and Dar es
Salaam, Tanzania, Clinton directed a campaign of
increasing scope and lethality against bin Laden's
network that carried through his final days in office.

• In addition to a secret "finding" to authorize
covert action, which has been reported before, Clinton
signed three highly classified Memoranda of
Notification expanding the available tools. In
succession, the president authorized killing instead
of capturing bin Laden, then added several of al
Qaeda's senior lieutenants, and finally approved the
shooting down of private civilian aircraft on which
they flew.

• The Clinton administration ordered the Navy to
maintain two Los Angeles-class attack submarines on
permanent station in the nearest available waters,
enabling the U.S. military to place Tomahawk cruise
missiles on any target in Afghanistan within about six
hours of receiving the order.

• Three times after Aug. 20, 1998, when Clinton
ordered the only missile strike of his presidency
against bin Laden's organization, the CIA came close
enough to pinpointing bin Laden that Clinton
authorized final preparations to launch. In each case,
doubts about the intelligence aborted the mission.

• The CIA's directorate of operations recruited,
trained, paid or equipped surrogate forces in
Pakistan, Uzbekistan and among tribal militias inside
Afghanistan, with the common purpose of capturing or
killing bin Laden. The Pakistani channel, disclosed
previously in The Washington Post, and its Uzbek
counterpart, which has not been reported before, never
bore fruit. Inside Afghanistan, tribal allies twice
reported to their CIA handlers that they fought
skirmishes with bin Laden's forces, but they inflicted
no verified damage.

• Operatives of the CIA's Special Activities Division
made at least one clandestine entry into Afghanistan
in 1999. They prepared a desert airstrip to extract
bin Laden, if captured, or to evacuate U.S. tribal
allies, if cornered. The Special Collection Service, a
joint project of the CIA and the National Security
Agency, also slipped into Afghanistan to place
listening devices within range of al Qaeda's tactical
radios.

The lines Clinton opted not to cross continued to
define U.S. policy in his successor's first eight
months. Clinton stopped short of using more decisive
military instruments, including U.S. ground forces,
and declined to expand the reach of the war to the
Taliban regime that hosted bin Laden and his fighters
after 1996.

Not until the catastrophe of Sept. 11 -- when
terrorists used hijacked airliners to destroy the
World Trade Center and damage the Pentagon -- did
President Bush obliterate those boundaries…
http://makethemaccountable.com/myth/ClintonAndTerrorism.htm

...as measured by the total number of convictions and forced resignations in his administration. Shows you how biased the media is.

By the same measure, Ronald "Death Squad" Reagan's was by far the most corrupt administration in U.S. history--before this one, of course.

The Reagan gang were so corrupt, they would sometimes rack up more convictions and forced resignations IN A SINGLE DAY than the Clinton administration managed in its entire eight years.

I can't wait to see the totals on the Bush junta.

It could replace OxyContin as the numb-out of all time.

The prosperity only SEEMED like prosperity because the Middle Class benefitted. As theose most negatively effected by The Welfare Reform Act and NAFTA how they feel about the Clinton years of "prosperity". And, the peace only seemed like peace as compared to the WAR 24/7 Bush years. Ask the people in the Balkans and in Haiti what they think of Clinton's "peace". They were no Iraq, but they weren't "peace" either.

Some perspective -- even a little -- would give you Clintonistas so much more credibility. But, you seem helpless against the glib "feel-good" talking points you are fed by her campaign machine.

TC

from now on, let's all just elect the spouses of politicians we like .

Hillary is the candidate, not Bill. When you apply for a job and you use your SO's resume they will laugh long and loud before tossing you out on your ear. I have made a point of bringing up her SENATE record, not her time as First Lady because quite frankly her real government experience is there, not in the White House. If you want to say, "Hey look she's cool just look at her husband," then you are two steps short of saying "Red is better than expert."