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bigdarryl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 06:27 PM
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Will the media cover the story on Hillary getting into the exchange with a voter in Iowa
The man is said to say afterwards he is still undecided but not with Hillary he will not support her. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/07/AR2007100700798_2.html
Iowa Poll Puts Clinton Atop in Key State - washingtonpost.com
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 06:28 PM
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1. Hopefully.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 06:55 PM
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2. Hillary was correct - the voter was incorrect - text of Resolution below


TEXT OF AMENDMENT AS SUBMITTED:

SEC. 1535. SENSE OF SENATE ON IRAN.

(a) Findings.--The Senate makes the following findings:

(1) General David Petraeus, commander of the Multi-National Force Iraq, stated in testimony before a joint session of the Committee on Armed Services and the Committee on Foreign Affairs of the House of Representatives on September 10, 2007, that ``t is increasingly apparent to both coalition and Iraqi leaders that Iran, through the use of the Iranian Republican Guard Corps Qods Force, seeks to turn the Shi'a militia extremists into a Hezbollah-like force to serve its interests and fight a proxy war against the Iraqi state and coalition forces in Iraq''.

(2) Ambassador Ryan Crocker, United States Ambassador to Iraq, stated in testimony before a joint session of the Committee on Armed Services and the Committee on Foreign Affairs of the House of Representatives on September 10, 2007, that ``Iran plays a harmful role in Iraq. While claiming to support Iraq in its transition, Iran has actively undermined it by providing lethal capabilities to the enemies of the Iraqi state''.

(3) The most recent National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq, published in August 2007, states that ``Iran has been intensifying aspects of its lethal support for select groups of Iraqi Shia militants, particularly the JAM , since at least the beginning of 2006. Explosively formed penetrator (EFP) attacks have risen dramatically''.

(4) The Report of the Independent Commission on the Security Forces of Iraq, released on September 6, 2007, states that ``he Commission concludes that the evidence of Iran's increasing activism in the southeastern part of the country, including Basra and Diyala provinces, is compelling. ..... It is an accepted fact that most of the sophisticated weapons being used to `defeat' our armor protection comes across the border from Iran with relative impunity''.

(5) General (Ret.) James Jones, chairman of the Independent Commission on the Security Forces of Iraq, stated in testimony before the Committee on Armed Services of the Senate on September 6, 2007, that ``e judge that the goings-on across the Iranian border in particular are of extreme severity and have the potential of at least delaying our efforts inside the country. Many of the arms and weapons that kill and maim our soldiers are coming from across the Iranian border''.

(6) General Petraeus said of Iranian support for extremist activity in Iraq on April 26, 2007, that ``e know that it goes as high as Suleimani, who is the head of the Qods Force. ..... We believe that he works directly for the supreme leader of the country''.

(7) Mahmoud Ahmedinejad, the president of Iran, stated on August 28, 2007, with respect to the United States presence in Iraq, that ``he political power of the occupiers is collapsing rapidly. Soon we will see a huge power vacuum in the region. Of course we are prepared to fill the gap''.

(8) Ambassador Crocker testified to Congress, with respect to President Ahmedinejad's statement, on September 11, 2007, that ``he Iranian involvement in Iraq--its support for extremist militias, training, connections to Lebanese Hezbollah, provision of munitions that are used against our force as well as the Iraqis--are all, in my view, a pretty clear demonstration that Ahmedinejad means what he says, and is already trying to implement it to the best of his ability''.

(9) General Petraeus stated on September 12, 2007, with respect to evidence of the complicity of Iran in the murder of members of the Armed Forces of the United States in Iraq, that ``e evidence is very, very clear. We captured it when we captured Qais Khazali, the Lebanese Hezbollah deputy commander, and others, and it's in black and white. ..... We interrogated these individuals. We have on tape. ..... Qais Khazali himself. When asked, could you have done what you have done without Iranian support, he literally throws up his hands and laughs and says, of course not. ..... So they told us about the amounts of money that they have received. They told us about the training that they received. They told us about the ammunition and sophisticated weaponry and all of that that they received''.

(10) General Petraeus further stated on September 14, 2007, that ``hat we have got is evidence. This is not intelligence. This is evidence, off computers that we captured, documents and so forth. ..... In one case, a 22-page document that lays out the planning, reconnaissance, rehearsal, conduct, and aftermath of the operation conducted that resulted in the death of five of our soldiers in Karbala back in January''.

(11) The Department of Defense report to Congress entitled ``Measuring Stability and Security in Iraq'' and released on September 18, 2007, consistent with section 9010 of Public Law 109-289, states that ``here has been no decrease in Iranian training and funding of illegal Shi'a militias in Iraq that attack Iraqi and Coalition forces and civilians..... Tehran's support for these groups is one of the greatest impediments to progress on reconciliation''.

(12) The Department of Defense report further states, with respect to Iranian support for Shi'a extremist groups in Iraq, that ``ost of the explosives and ammunition used by these groups are provided by the Iranian Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps-Qods Force..... For the period of June through the end of August, events are projected to rise by 39 percent over the period of March through May''.

(13) Since May 2007, Ambassador Crocker has held three rounds of talks in Baghdad on Iraq security with representatives of the Government of the Islamic Republic of Iran.

(14) Ambassador Crocker testified before Congress on September 10, 2007, with respect to these talks, stating that ``I laid out the concerns we had over Iranian activity that was damaging to Iraq's security, but found no readiness on Iranians' side at all to engage seriously on these issues. The impression I came with after a couple rounds is that the Iranians were interested simply in the appearance of discussions, of being seen to be at the table with the U.S. as an arbiter of Iraq's present and future, rather than actually doing serious business ..... Right now, I haven't seen any sign of earnest or seriousness on the Iranian side''.

(15) Ambassador Crocker testified before Congress on September 11, 2007, stating that ``e have seen nothing on the ground that would suggest that the Iranians are altering what they're doing in support of extremist elements that are going after our forces as well as the Iraqis''.

(b) Sense of Senate.--It is the sense of the Senate--

(1) that the manner in which the United States transitions and structures its military presence in Iraq will have critical long-term consequences for the future of the Persian Gulf and the Middle East, in particular with regard to the capability of the Government of the Islamic Republic of Iran to pose a threat to the security of the region, the prospects for democracy for the people of the region, and the health of the global economy;

(2) that it is a vital national interest of the United States to prevent the Government of the Islamic Republic of Iran from turning Shi'a militia extremists in Iraq into a Hezbollah-like force that could serve its interests inside Iraq, including by overwhelming, subverting, or co-opting institutions of the legitimate Government of Iraq;

(3) that it should be the policy of the United States to combat, contain, and roll back the violent activities and destabilizing influence inside Iraq of the Government of the Islamic Republic of Iran, its foreign facilitators such as Lebanese Hezbollah, and its indigenous Iraqi proxies;

(4) to support the prudent and calibrated use of all instruments of United States national power in Iraq, including diplomatic, economic, intelligence, and military instruments, in support of the policy described in paragraph (3) with respect to the Government of the Islamic Republic of Iran and its proxies;

(5) that the United States should designate the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps as a foreign terrorist organization under section 219 of the Immigration and Nationality Act and place the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps on the list of Specially Designated Global Terrorists, as established under the International Emergency Economic Powers Act and initiated under Executive Order 13224; and

(6) that the Department of the Treasury should act with all possible expediency to complete the listing of those entities targeted under United Nations Security Council Resolutions 1737 and 1747 adopted unanimously on December 23, 2006 and March 24, 2007, respectively.
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youthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 09:14 AM
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28. It doesn't matter that the voter was factually incorrect...
Edited on Tue Oct-09-07 09:22 AM by youthere
What will resonate with most Iowans, is how Sen. Clinton handled the question. She came across as rude and arrogant...confirming the general perception of her. If they've "heard" somewhere along the line that she is cold, or dismissive, or rude...that exchange confirmed it for them.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 11:58 AM
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38. I wish I knew who said "Do you want to be right or do you want to be liked" -
It is clear now that Randall Rolph had the previous language of the K-L amendment when he asked Senator Clinton the question.

Of course she had the right and responsibility to correct him. However, the way she went about maybe wasn't' the best. How is she going to react to the GOP craziness when she's the nominee?

I question the attitude of the Clinton supporters toward Rolph. I've read that he's a plant and that he's a nut case. Yet when I've searched his name it looks like he's a Democratic activists that cares a great deal about what our elected officials do. Doesn't seem to nutty to me.




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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 06:57 PM
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3. I really doubt it.Diverse opinions about the Queen are not tolerated by MSM. Rupert and Co
will not allow it! This story will drop like a stone just like her Kyl /Liberman vote was hardly mentioned.I hope I am wrong.Possibly Keith Olberman might mention this but I cannot imagine anyone else. Maybe, it is a long shot, Tweety.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 07:03 PM
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4. I sure hope so.
Should get her about 2% jump in the polls - esp. with the boys who think she is not tough enough to handle the job.

Maybe the truth is that her staff planted the guy in the crowd.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 07:11 PM
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5. "Get a parrot, knucklehead, since you're so fond of repeating warmed over bullshit." That's what
she should have told him. Lucky for him she held back.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 05:37 PM
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6. And this is a perfect example of what the Hillary people think of anyone who disagrees!
Edited on Mon Oct-08-07 05:37 PM by saracat
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ElizabethDC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 05:41 PM
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8. "The Hillary people"
yes, we all think, move and act as a unit. And, as everyone knows, only Hillary supporters have a problem with dissenting viewpoints.

:sarcasm:
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 05:52 PM
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11. That was unfair of me.You do not and certainly other candidate supporters have the same
problem.But it appears to me that on DU, this post exemplifies a certain thought pattern that many supporters of Clinton do illustrate.
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ElizabethDC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 05:53 PM
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12. It's okay. It's just hard to consistently be lumped together with people
whose tactics I don't necessarily agree with. :)
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 08:26 AM
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27. "Knucklehead" : a person who doesn't "get it" no matter how many times he is told something.
Edited on Tue Oct-09-07 08:27 AM by oasis
See also: numbskull.
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youthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 09:21 AM
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29. Do you really think the general public walks away from that story...
Edited on Tue Oct-09-07 09:23 AM by youthere
thinking, "Gosh...Clearly that man was incorrect and doesn't understand the nuances in the rewrite of the Kyl-Lieberman ammendment!" ? No. Because the general public either doesn't give a shit about Kyl-Lieberman, or only has a vague idea of what it means. The general public (for the most part) is going to see or read the report of that exchange and believe that Sen. Clinton is dismissive, and arrogant. It doesn't matter that the guy had his facts wrong.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 09:30 AM
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32. Many here believe Hill was tough on "Rolph". I gave them a response she could
have justifiably used. That was my point.

As for the general public, they're not into the nuts and bolts of the primaries just yet so this dustup is not that much of a negative for Hill's campaign.
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youthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 09:33 AM
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33. I disagree...
for Iowans, the caucus is a very BIG deal. In fact, Iowans are more likely to caucus, than to vote in the general election. I think it's because there is usually food at caucus.;)
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 09:40 AM
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34. Mmmmmm...... French onion dip and chicken wings.
:9
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 05:40 PM
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7. So you ask if the media will cover a story...and you link to the media covering the story...
Edited on Mon Oct-08-07 05:40 PM by SaveElmer
Kinda blew your point there didn't ya...

Unless you don't consider the Washington Post the media!
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 05:44 PM
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9. LOL. No kidding.
The media has widely covered this story. Duh.
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Labors of Hercules Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 09:47 AM
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35. And done everything to spin it against Hillary...
When in my opinion she addressed it perfectly.
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 05:44 PM
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10. Good point!
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 05:53 PM
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13. no. they have ignored Blackwater Penn and everything else, that they would
have had a feeding frenzy over if it was anyone else but, Hillary. Outsourcing, union busting, other donors found to have problems, ect.
has anyone seen much other than glowing and gushing over her. anything that examines the many scandals and problems from her or her campaign has quickly been killed off before it makes it to the average voter.
this, as minor as it is, and don't think if it was Edwards or Obama it would not set off an endless round for days, is not even mentioned.
the media cannot have their annoited queen sullied by her own bad behavior.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 06:02 PM
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14. ABC News with Charles Gibson ran the story
and they interviewed the voter as well as showing Edwards and Obama taking Hillary to task for voting for the Lieberman resolution.

http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=3703898
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Terri S Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 06:31 PM
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17. thanks for the video
but while it shows Edwards gave a statement saying he differed with Hillary on this, they didn't show any interview with the voter and Obama wasn't on that clip at all.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 06:33 PM
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19. Obama was on the clip shown on TV, as was the Iowa voter
They were edited out of this clip.
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 06:16 PM
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15. 2 seconds on the google


looks like a massive cover up to me.
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Nimrod2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 06:17 PM
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16. They already have...I only heard about it here on the DU
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Terri S Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 06:34 PM
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20. Oh come on... you don't expect the tv news pundits to waste time with this
while there are flag pins to discuss! :sarcasm:
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marlakay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 06:33 PM
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18. anyone email keith about it?
I heard about it on ed's show on the radio.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 06:38 PM
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21. I saw the story on MSNBC earlier today. They played the audio, too,
and talked about her sounding "prickly" or something similar.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 06:38 PM
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22. Yes they did,
They showed it here on our local ABC station.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 07:04 PM
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23. David Shuster is in for Keith tonight, but he mentioned the incident in his opening...
We'll see what he says...
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:19 PM
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25. Good.
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:17 PM
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24. Probably not. A misinformed voter isn't much of a story. nt
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 12:39 AM
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26. It was covered by all cable channels.
I was one of the first to complain about that vote,
but if we are honest--there is no way Hilary could
have avoided that vote politically.

Stop and think was sponsoring the bill. The same reason
makes it impossible for any serious politican to avoid.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 09:23 AM
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30. LOL! You ask if the media will cover it while linking to a WaPo article on it.
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SaveOurDemocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 09:24 AM
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31. I was away Friday thru Monday...no internet, just TV and
I heard about it. So, I guess the MSM covered it.

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gorekerrydreamticket Donating Member (422 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 09:59 AM
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36. Not much of a story, really, no tasing, no swarming by security....
just looked like answering a question to me....
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Broke Dad Donating Member (345 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 11:43 AM
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37. You Hillary drones haven't heard the last from us Iowa voters
We have a lot of plants out here in Iowa. They are called corn plants and we are harvesting them now.

Meanwhile, real Iowa voters, who will caucus in just under three months are going to call Little Hill and every other wind vane candidate on their say one thing here, do something else in DC practices.

Get used to it. This is just the start!

ABC!

ABC!

ABC!
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 12:00 PM
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39. No, that will shatter HRC's sainted M$M image ... why, even pro-lifers are voting for HRC
Edited on Tue Oct-09-07 12:07 PM by ShortnFiery
(Anne Rice?!? :wtf:) because "they believe" that sainted HRC will STOP Abortions. :crazy:

http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/article/0,28804,1638826_1655885_1655891,00.html

Oh Heaven's no! Nothing to the negative for our next President ... M$N promoted as being selected by GOD Almighty. :eyes:

:crazy: http://www.annerice.com/ :crazy:
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