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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 07:38 AM
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"Dislike Hillary" factor could fade
WASHINGTON — Hillary Clinton's opponents are hyping this bit of conventional wisdom: If she wins the Democratic nomination, her high negative ratings in polls will make it especially difficult for her to win the general election in November 2008.

Karl Rove, the guru behind President Bush's political career, framed this widely held view when he called Clinton a "fatally flawed" candidate because of her high negatives.

"There is no front-runner who has entered the primary season with negatives as high as she has in the history of modern polling," Rove said.

But some polling experts said Clinton's negatives — generally about 45 percent of people tell pollsters they view her unfavorably — may not be politically fatal or much of a drag.

The fluid nature of politics, the New York senator's evolving profile and the Electoral College map combine to suggest Clinton may not be too polarizing to win after all, several independent experts said.

"Nothing is completely locked in stone," said Michael Dimock, associate director of the Pew Research Center for the People and the Press. "People shift, and contexts shift. The context people perceive her in has changed. ...

Unfavorable ratings in the 40s don't preclude victory. Bush was re-elected in 2004 with negative ratings ranging into the mid-40s, about the same as those of Democratic nominee John Kerry.

Detractors said that in the tumult of a general-election campaign, candidates' unfavorable ratings generally rise. If Clinton's were to increase much more, she'd be dangerously close to the 50s, meaning more people would dislike her than like her.

But it's possible her negatives could stabilize or decline as voters are reintroduced to her and she's matched against a Republican with negatives of his own.

Many Americans' image of Clinton was set in the 1990s, when she was first lady. As a New York senator since 2001, she has changed her style.

For example, those who say they dislike Clinton could change their minds "once the debates start and she cleans somebody's clock," said Larry Harris, principal at Mason-Dixon Polling & Research.

And "her negatives are probably already out," said Cliff Zukin, a polling expert at Rutgers University. That may not be as true for her opponents.

"Do people in Florida know Rudy Giuliani has had three wives? Probably not. Do they know Mitt Romney's had this position, then that position? Probably not," Zukin said.

"She's like a quasi-incumbent. Whoever wins the early state primaries will get more press scrutiny. But there's less downside of that for her. What are we going to find out about Hillary Clinton that's really going to surprise us? There's more potential for negative growth in other candidates."

Clinton's history and her husband's show it's possible to reverse high negative ratings.

In August 1995, Bill Clinton's negative rating was 49 percent in a Pew poll. Yet he was re-elected easily the year after.

In 1996, a Pew poll showed Hillary Clinton's unfavorability rating at 54 percent. Two years later, it was 31 percent.

Clinton's high negatives may be skewed because she's wildly unpopular in some places and less so in others.

"Take Alabama," Harris said. "Everybody hates her there, just about. But guess what: She's gonna lose Alabama anyway. The election is going to be won in Ohio, Pennsylvania, Florida, Michigan."

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/politics/2003931076_clintonneg07.html
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 07:47 AM
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1. Hmm
"Do people in Florida know Rudy Giuliani has had three wives, married his cousin, dresses in drag, got thrown out of the Mayor's Mansion by his wife for playing hide the salami with another woman, and then moved in with his gay friends...


"Do people know that Romney was once pro choice and said he would do more for gay Americans than Ted Kennedy when he wanted Ted's job?
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 07:52 AM
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2. For fucks sake, how many times do people need to be told that HILLARY is NOT BILL.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 07:59 AM
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4. You Never Respond But What The Hell
If that article was on a SAT or GRE test and the question was

What was the point the author of the article was trying to make?

A) Hillary Clinton is a clone of her huband

B) Negative perceptions can be changed through hard wordk

C) Relatively high negative ratings need not be fatal to a candidate

D) Both B and C

What would the answer be?
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:33 AM
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20. First of all, I have a life outside of DU. I don't always respond because I'm doing other things.
Maybe you don't have a life outside of DU. I don't know.

Second, I was responding to the part that compared Bill's popularity to Hillary's. I should have grabbed the quote - Sorry!
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:43 AM
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30. delete
Edited on Mon Oct-08-07 08:46 AM by DemocratSinceBirth
delete
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bluetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 07:55 AM
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3. Don't count on it. /eom
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:01 AM
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5. Oh really?
Take it to the bank because Hillary's as good as in. It's going to happen. She will be the nominee and she will win the general election.
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bluetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:07 AM
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6. Gman, huh? Not surprising. /eom
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:39 AM
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25. Less than 400 posts in 3 years
Edited on Mon Oct-08-07 08:40 AM by Gman
and no star? not surprising. Fits the profile.
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bluetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:55 AM
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40. The profile of what? Someone who doesn't live on a messageboard? Are you
Edited on Mon Oct-08-07 08:57 AM by bluetrain
profiling me, Gman? Seriously, I don't have the patience for your shit this morning. To me, you fit the profile of an ignorant faux liberal or a paid BushCo shill trying to amp up a bogus, fascist, bigoted Murdoch candidate; that's who you and all the other Clinton supporters look like to me. Let's agree to stay mutually mistrustful because I don't think we're going to agree on anything else.

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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 10:38 AM
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50. LOL!
I guess we can agree on that!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:08 AM
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:11 AM
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8. Linking Right Wing Sites Is Verboten On DU
Edited on Mon Oct-08-07 08:16 AM by DemocratSinceBirth
And so fucking what?


Should I not vote for John Edwards because Ann Coulter calls him a "fag" and Oxyrush plays "I Am Woman" and "I feel Pretty" when he is discussing him?

We need to stop being bed wetters , sleeping with the lights on, because the Rethuglicans might attack us...
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:21 AM
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9. Yes. And we should have the nerve to nominate a true DEMOCRAT, not Republican-Lite.
Think it will happen any time soon?

Tesha
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:24 AM
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11. We Sould Nominate Who We Want
My point is that we shouldn't fear the Rethuglicans...

I'm just not the retiring, wearing a kick me in the ass label on the seat of my pants, bed wetting, my, the Rethuglicans are so mean what are we going to do? mommy mommy, type...
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:25 AM
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12. Has it occurred to you...
Edited on Mon Oct-08-07 08:25 AM by wyldwolf
... that the reason we have never elected a "true Democrat" is because the left's idea of what one is is contrary to what the Democratic party has traditionally been?
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:32 AM
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18. Lately, I notice you haven't elected anyone.
And the last guy you *DID* elect is widely aclaimed as
the "best Republican President in years".

But carry on nominating losers.

Tesha
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:42 AM
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27. Two totally false statements in one post. Have you been living in a cave?
Lately, I notice you haven't elected anyone.

Over half of the new house seats won in 2006 were centrist New Democrats. The following Governors Senators, and House Members are Centrist New Democrats, all elected within the last 5 years:

Governors:

* Gov. Mike Beebe of Arkansas
* Gov. Phil Bredesen of Tennessee
* Gov. Jim Doyle of Wisconsin
* Gov. Michael Easley of North Carolina
* Gov. Jennifer Granholm of Michigan
* Gov. Christine Gregoire of Washington
* Gov. Brad Henry of Oklahoma
* Gov. Tim Kaine of Virginia
* Gov. Joe Manchin of West Virginia
* Gov. Ruth Ann Minner of Delaware
* Gov. Janet Napolitano of Arizona
* Gov. Ed Rendell of Pennsylvania
* Gov. Bill Richardson of New Mexico
* Gov. Kathleen Sebelius of Kansas
* Former Gov. Tom Vilsack of Iowa
* Former Gov. Mark Warner of Virginia

Senators:

* Sen. Max Baucus of Montana
* Sen. Thomas R. Carper of Delaware
* Sen. Kent Conrad of North Dakota
* Sen. Tim Johnson of South Dakota
* Sen. Herb Kohl of Wisconsin
* Sen. Mary Landrieu of Louisiana
* Sen. Joe Lieberman of Connecticut
* Sen. Blanche Lincoln of Arkansas
* Sen. Bill Nelson of Florida
* Sen. Ben Nelson of Nebraska
* Sen. Mark Pryor of Arkansas
* Sen. Ken Salazar of Colorado
* Sen. Debbie Stabenow of Michigan

The House:

* Rep. Ellen Tauscher of California - Chair
* Rep. Ron Kind of Wisconsin - Vice-Chair
* Rep. Adam Smith of Washington - Vice-Chair
* Rep. Artur Davis of Alabama - Vice-Chair
* Rep. Joseph Crowley of New York - Vice-Chair
* Rep. Brian Baird of Washington
* Rep. John Barrow of Georgia
* Rep. Melissa Bean of Illinois
* Rep. Shelley Berkley of Nevada
* Rep. Lois Capps of California
* Rep. Russ Carnahan of Missouri
* Rep. Ben Chandler of Kentucky
* Rep. Henry Cuellar of Texas
* Rep. Susan Davis of California
* Rep. Bob Etheridge of North Carolina
* Rep. Charlie Gonzalez of Texas
* Rep. Jane Harman of California
* Rep. Stephanie Herseth Sandlin of South Dakota
* Rep. Brian Higgins of New York
* Rep. Rush Holt of New Jersey
* Rep. Darlene Hooley of Oregon
* Rep. Jay Inslee of Washington
* Rep. Steve Israel of New York
* Rep. Rick Larsen of Washington
* Rep. John Larson of Connecticut
* Rep. Carolyn McCarthy of New York
* Rep. Mike McIntyre of North Carolina
* Rep. Kendrick Meek of Florida
* Rep. Gregory Meeks of New York
* Rep. Charlie Melancon of Louisiana
* Rep. Juanita Millender-McDonald of California
* Rep. Dennis Moore of Kansas
* Rep. Jim Moran of Virginia
* Rep. David Price of North Carolina
* Rep. Loretta Sanchez of California
* Rep. Adam Schiff of California
* Rep. Allyson Schwartz of Pennsylvania
* Rep. David Scott of Georgia
* Rep. Vic Snyder of Arkansas
* Rep. Tom Udall of New Mexico
* Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz of Florida
* Rep. David Wu of Oregon

Now, you were saying?

the last guy you *DID* elect is widely aclaimed as
the "best Republican President in years".


Widely acclaimed by the 2%ers on the internet. :rofl:


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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:43 AM
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31. I thought we were speaking about presidential elections...
Edited on Mon Oct-08-07 08:46 AM by Tesha
..and I thought you were smart enough to understand that.
'Guess not.

And that Congress you're crowing about? Haven't they
got the WORST job approval ratings of any
Congress in memory?

You "new" Dems are so funny -- and just as succesful
as "new" Coke! Too bad you don't have the same good
sense to just go away!

Tesha
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:47 AM
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32. ok, just suppose we were
Bill Clinton, the first two term Democrat since FDR (and widely acclaimed as a Democrat by everyone but the clueless ones on the far left.)

Al Gore (if you believe as most do he won.)

John Kerry (if you believe as many do he won.)

Now, who has the left elected? ZERO. NADA. No president has been elected by campaigning from the left.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:56 AM
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43. Eeeeew! New Coke?
Did ya have to go there?

:hippie:
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:31 AM
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16. FreeRepublic gets a pass?
I am not promoting them, I am saying WAKE UP to what they are doing.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:34 AM
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22. PS -- self reported so that the mods know it is there in case they want to remove it
The sentiment won't be going away though. :)
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:23 AM
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10. *** ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF RIGHT WING TALKING POINTS ON DU ****
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:33 AM
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21. Caps-lock key stuck again? (NT)
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:43 AM
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29. no, why do you ask?
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:47 AM
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33. Well, you were breaking DU rules *AND* shouting about it. (NT)
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:49 AM
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35. which DU rules?
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:23 AM
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47. These rules...
Do not post personal attacks or engage in name-calling against other individual members of this discussion board. Even very mild personal attacks are forbidden.

Do not publicly accuse another member of this message board of being a disruptor, conservative, Republican, FReeper, or troll, or do not otherwise imply they are not welcome on Democratic Underground. If you think someone is a disruptor, click the "Alert" link below their post to let the moderators know.

Do not accuse entire groups of people on Democratic Underground of being conservative disruptors, or post messages which spread this type of suspicion. Do not post topics that arouse suspicion against new members, or members with low post counts.

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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:36 AM
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49. so you think my post #10 did all that? LOL!
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:51 AM
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38. *** ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF A HILLARY SUPPORTER ATTACKING THE MESSENGER ***
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:56 AM
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41. Yes, I will attack "the messenger" for bringing rightwing tripe here.
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:58 AM
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44. Well, then I apologize.
It's obvious you have no idea what they were trying to point out in their response.
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:29 AM
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14. Thank you. It's not that they won't attack others. It's how bad they will attack her.
They will distort and manipulate everything she says or does. It will get really ugly in 2008.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:35 AM
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23. I Know You Won't Respond
Ann Coulter calls John Edwards a "fag" and OxyRush plays "I Am Woman" and "I Feel Pretty" when discussing John Edwards...Michael Savage calls him a "shyster lawyer who lies about the evidence about what causes birth defects to fill his pockets"....

Those are fighting words... It doesn't seem like the right withholds their ammo from any of our candidates...In fact if that fat tub of goo , Oxyrush, suggested to my face I was effeminate, I would give him a minute to retract it and if he didn't I'd drop him on the spot and suffer the consequences...
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:50 AM
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37. Well, you are wrong. As I said earlier, I have a life outside of DU. Maybe you don't.
Edited on Mon Oct-08-07 08:52 AM by Dawgs
Again, they will attack any of our candidates. And, using Coulter, Rush, and Savage as examples of those on the "the right" is using only the obvious haters as examples of who will attack.

I'm talking about people like my wife's boss that post anti-Hillary articles in her break room. I'm talking about people like my Aunt that send me anti-Hillary emails like the one I received this morning. I'm talking about all of the people that boo her at the very site of her picture. I'm talking about my in-laws, who told me yesterday about how great it will be when she unites the Republicans.

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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:06 AM
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46. The First Time I Ignored Your Taunt
Hence the deletion....This time I won't...

"Well, you are wrong. As I said earlier, I have a life outside of DU. Maybe you don't"

Is there something wrong with posting here?

I do see your line of attack emulated on other sites...It goes something like this "gawd, you are a loser , you spend so much time at this site..." and then they inevitably point to the poster's high post count....

Not very progressive, is it?

As far as your assertion that your family loves Republicans and regales you with anti-Clinton broadsides that's your problem, buddy, and not mine...All I can logically infer from that is your family is Republicanphiles and Democratphobes...



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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:23 AM
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48. What I said was the truth. I don't care how much time you spend here, and...
I don't think you are a loser if you have a million posts. I was just pointing out MY situation. I have a life outside of DU, and I don't always see every response to my posts. You called me out on it like I was ignoring you. I don't know your situation, so I wondered out loud if you spend all of your time here.

...

The examples I used regarding hatred of Hillary just happen to be with my family. I still haven't talked to any friends about Hillary yet. I'm sure I'll have a few more examples later on.

I'll keep you posted.
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:42 AM
Response to Reply #7
28. Why do so many anti-Hillary people insist that to win an election
you have to play defense the whole way?
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Carolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 11:12 AM
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55. Exactly, Yael
Picture it...

America 2008 (still sexist and racist after all these years)...

An ad

Hillary commanding the troops
Hillary commanding the generals

A male voice-over dripping with ominous portent and derision, saying:

CAN YOU IMAGINE HER IN CHARGE OF OUR MILITARY, OUR NATIONAL SECURITY!

Loser. GOP loathing and dirty tricks know no bounds and HRC as Dem nominee will be the gift that just keeps on giving, the veritable briar patch to their Brair Rabbit ...
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:29 AM
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13. If my adversion to her has not faded, in fact has grown, I would not hold your breath
Many others find her just as awful as they always have but, the media has it all wrong. Half the democrats, mostly progressives, dislike her more than the right.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:30 AM
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15. Do You Have Any Evidence To Support Your Assertion Or Did You Just Make It Up?
:shrug:
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:32 AM
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17. of course she doesn't. People like her are prone to making up "facts."
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:48 AM
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34. A Lot Of That Going It Around
eom
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:33 AM
Response to Reply #15
19. What other candidate elicits this reaction?
It isn't that we don't like her as a person, we are being realistic. We don't like her policies, we don't like her stances and we don't think she can win.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:38 AM
Response to Reply #19
24. How's This
Ann Coulter calls John Edwards a "fag" and OxyRush plays "I Am Woman" and "I Feel Pretty" when discussing John Edwards...Michael Savage calls him a "shyster lawyer who lies about the evidence about what causes birth defects to fill his pockets"....
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 11:03 AM
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52. Elicits this reaction from WITHIN THEIR OWN PARTY
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:40 AM
Response to Reply #19
26. "we don't think she can win."
Sorry...I'm a logical positivist... I am guided by facts and logic not emotion...

The Enlightenment and all that, you know...
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 11:07 AM
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54. It all seems like a buch of emotional wishful thinking with a bunch of
"don't worry about what the other side thinks, much less a chunk of our own party" thrown into the mix.

If you truly want to look at a candidate's viability -- you need to pull wishful thinking out of the mix and look at the issues.

If after that, you still believe them viable, then GREAT!

But don't go after those of us who start with the logic filter and keep emotions out of it until we look at all sides of the angles (including the verbotten RW smear tactics and what we perceive them to have the effects on).

Many say to 'vote your heart' in the Primaries. I am one to "vote strategically" in the primaries. Just a different mindset and I believe that a vote for Hillary in the primaries will split and siphon off the votes of those who actually have a chance at winning the GE. That, my friend, is the difference between being emotional and logical (and I for one have never been accused of the former).

YMMV...
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 11:18 AM
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56. My Survey Of The Literature Leads To Me Believe She Can Win
I apologize , I guess, that I can not be seduced by random anecdotes of how "everybody" they know hates Hillary Clinton...

I'll never forget... We were sitting at a business meeting, and the Republican owner of the company I worked for said , in 1994, that he never met anybody that voted for Bill Clinton...

I try to free myself of ancient prejudices and shibboleths and not create new ones...
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 12:17 PM
Response to Reply #56
57. And I appreciate that (survey of the literature)
All I ask is that you afford those who disagee the same consideration and not assume that emotion is the rule of the day.
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obamian Donating Member (282 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:49 AM
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36. I agree. I just think Obama having high approval ratings is more probable.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:56 AM
Response to Reply #36
42. Obama Is A Great Man And A Decent Candidate
The Rethuglicans would dirty him up as they dirty up all our candidates...

Look what they did to an innocuous candidate like Mike Dukakis...They made him into a mentally unbalanced, psycho patient, candidate whose wife burned the American flag...

Look what they did to Al Gore...They made him into the candidate who believed he "invented the internet", "discovered Love Canal" and was with his wife "the subjects for Love Story"...


Politics is a blood sport... It is what it is...
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obamian Donating Member (282 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:01 AM
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45. I agree again.
I just think again that it is more probable that Obama, especially if he defeats Hillary without going negative, will be more resistant to smears.
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Rydz777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:54 AM
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39. A visitor of Mars would be amazed at how we conduct our
political campaigns. Is there any serious discussion of issues beyond bumper stickers? No, instead we get the "Dean scream" and now the "Hillary cackle." In any issue oriented campaign - even at the level of Cliff Notes - the Democratic candidate wins. But that would be so boring. Much more fun to gab about hair cuts, cleavage, congeniality, gotchas, and polls, polls, polls - and so much more within the grasp of our journalists.
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jmp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 10:46 AM
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51. Hillary hate is in its death throes.
:sarcasm:

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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 11:03 AM
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53. So could liver spots.
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