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EV_Ares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 11:11 AM
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George Will Agreeing With Clinton; Another Conservative that likes her ideas
Edited on Wed Oct-17-07 11:12 AM by EV_Ares
Clinton's idea for helping Americans save for retirement is this: Any family that earns less than $60,000 and puts $1,000 into a new 401(k)-type plan would receive a matching $1,000 tax cut. For those earning between $60,000 and $100,000 the government would match half of the first $1,000. She proposes to pay for this by taxing people who will be stoical about this -- dead people -- by freezing the estate tax exemption at its 2009 level.

A conservative case can be made for something like Clinton's proposal. It is a case for reducing the supply of government by reducing demand for it, and doing so by giving people ownership of enlarged private assets as a basis for their security. It is a case for raising the nation's deplorable saving rate and simultaneously encouraging the nation's economic literacy and temperance by giving more people a stake in equities markets.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/16/AR2007101601537.html
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 11:16 AM
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1. Is Investing In The Market Inherently Evil?
You do know that of those who make over $100,000.00 a year the majority of them vote Democratic...

Most of my Democratic friends are gainfully employed, hard working, independent, and invested in the economy...

Nothing in my remarks should suggest that we don't have a obligation to the less fortunate and to create a society where every member can realize his or her goals...

As my hero, Robert Kennedy, said, all most folks want is a good job and some hope...
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 11:22 AM
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3. only when it's proposed by Hillary Clinton.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 11:28 AM
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9. Al Gore Proposed Something Similar In 00
He called it Social Security Plus...
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 11:30 AM
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12. of course. And Hillary's plan is an improvement over that.
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franklynch Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 11:21 AM
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2. Hillary Doesn't Get It
Hillary is using band aids to cure an affliction that requires major surgery.

Hillary keeps making our tax code even more unmanageable with all these hare brained non concepts she is proposing.

The US tax code at 60,000 pages is the worst tax code in the entire world. The only solution is not for Hillary to make it even more manageable.

The only solution is to eliminate all 60,000 pages and eliminate the income tax entirely.

America should have a 47% import tariff and a 5% sales tax. This is the lowest cost solution to administer because every state already has a very fine tuned and working sales tax collection system in place.

As soon as there is no more income tax on individuals or on businesses, Americans will be able to save and invest and we will have a tremendous economic boom.

Obviously, the import tax will bring jobs home.

For information on the newest, most truly liberal progressive candidate in the Democratic party visit www.franklynch.org
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 11:23 AM
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5. Frank Lynch doesn't get it
A Democratic president will no have a magic wand to wave to enact the sweeping reform you want. Increments and bandaids are the best we'll get from anyone.
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bpeale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 11:26 AM
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7. and she refuses to see the underlying problem
WHY people don't save. they don't have excess funds to do this with. you can't get blood out of a rock.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 11:29 AM
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10. hey Frank, did you really says this----
Mr. Lynch, who dubs himself "the most important emerging national leader since Abraham Lincoln,"

thats some comedy gold my man.


http://www.myhometownnews.net/index.php?id=31856
Have you been watching Stephen Colbert's "Balls for kids"?
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 11:31 AM
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13. 47% Import Tarrif
These gentlemen would have loved it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:HawleySmoot.jpg
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 11:38 AM
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15. all i want to know is how can i buy a "Frank Lynch" for President tshirt.
it's everyday that you can sport gear from "the most important emerging national leader since Abraham Lincoln," and former republican.
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 11:22 AM
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4. Yeah, this movie was great the first time I saw it, when it was called Social Security.
Does anybody else do an impression of David Spade here?
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 11:26 AM
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6. Social Security Doesn't Pay For Retirement
My eighty nine year old mom gets $600.00 a month from the government... If I didn't provide for her she would be living in a shoe...
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bpeale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 11:29 AM
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11. your mom didn't pay for her SS...you are!
SS was started as a bankrupt institution. i mean bankrupt in the sense that the elderly who first started receiving checks never paid into the system. you are paying for your mom to collect. she's lucky she's getting that much. (i don't mean that as a criticism of you either...rather as a criticism of the system in general). the baby boomers were the first to pay into the system. now, if there is not going to be enough money for me to collect, then i want my money back & i'll take care of my retirement my damn self thank you very much.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 11:34 AM
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14. Social Security Needs To Remain Solvent....And You Should Get What You Paid In
But I don't have a problem with the government helping folks with their individual retirement accounts as long as its fiscally prudent...
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Nederland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 05:00 PM
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32. You Should Get What you Paid In
Agreed. The problem is, everyone born before 1964 will get far more in benefits than they paid out in their lifetimes.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 12:51 PM
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21. I get less - thank God I knew how to save.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 11:28 AM
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8. social security was never meant to be a retirement account. It's insurance.
A supplement.
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 11:46 AM
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16. Bash bash bash bash bash Hillary
I like Obama so I am bashing Hillary. I am nit picking every single solitary piece of crap I can find putting it together so I can bash Hillary. Sick sick sick sick are these people really truly democrats or are they republicans in disguise...we know...
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EV_Ares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 12:10 PM
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18. So an article out of the Washington Post showing conservative
support of Hillary's ideas and you call those who post the info a "republican in disguise". I don't remember making a personal attack on you.

I ask you the question, was the information false?

Is it false information that her PR guy is the PR guy for Black water?

The same firm did PR work for the dictator of Chile.

Also, I am not a republican in disguise.

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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 11:51 AM
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17. I'm still on the fence about who we should nominate, but
I am amazed at the fervor (and lack of consistency) of the anti-Clinton posts I see here. One moment she's in the pocket of AIPAC and one moment she's an anti-semite. One moment she will lose because she's anathema to repubs and one moment she's their darling.

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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 12:13 PM
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19. So instead of debating the idea on its merits, you play the taint game with George Will?
Edited on Wed Oct-17-07 12:27 PM by rinsd
Ya know Hitler was a vegetarian who liked dogs and thought smoking was disgusting.



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EV_Ares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 12:41 PM
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20. LOL, not playing any games just the truth. If it isn't then why don't
Edited on Wed Oct-17-07 12:46 PM by EV_Ares
you show us where it is not.

"Ya know Hitler was a vegetarian who liked dogs and thought smoking was disgusting."

That post of yours re Hitler I think pretty much explains your knowledge on the subject.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 12:55 PM
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23. No, just pointing out that because Goerge Will agrees with it doesn't make it bad.
As an auxillary retirement savings plan in addition to any private plan and without going near the Social Security safety net, I think its a great idea.
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EV_Ares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 02:25 PM
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26. Yeah, just an article I found interesting. eom.
Edited on Wed Oct-17-07 02:25 PM by EV_Ares
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 12:52 PM
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22. Great news. We need a candidate who can reach out to the other side
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 12:56 PM
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24. Why "Freeze" The Death Tax at Its 2009 Level?
Shouldn't the exemption be shrunk to a size where it is small enough to drown it in a bathtub?

I love a good inheritance as much as the next guy, but you really ought to contribute something to the country for all that hard work.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 01:42 PM
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25. George Wills agreeing with Hillary during the Democratic primaries......
shows that George Wills doesn't want Hillary to become the Dem Nominee. He understands that his praise is a curse on her house. Now, if he was agreeing with her during the GE, that would be quite different.

The GOP and their operatives are plotting scoundrels; the more they agree with a Democratic candidate during a Democratic primary, the more likely they understand exactly how it will play.

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JaneQPublic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 02:46 PM
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27. Last night, Tucker said HRC's Iraq views were borderline neo-con (nt)
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EV_Ares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 03:48 PM
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28. Will as they say, her "Hawkish" views on Iraq will be the same as
Bush's position & the other RW conservatives, so I can see why he was saying borderline neo-con. He is not the only one.
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beaconess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 04:23 PM
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29. So on the one hand, she shouldn't be the nominee because she'll scare the right to death
on the other hand, she shouldn't be the nominee because she DOESN'T scare the right to death.

Which is it?
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EV_Ares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 04:33 PM
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30. Where did I say she should or shouldn't be the nominee. I don't think
she scares anyone. After all for the right wing, she will continue to follow Bush's policy on Iraq and she basically has given him authority again to do the same thing in Iran. Thats her call.

It really is a simple choice If you want to continue the policy of GWB, Hillary is your "girl".

If you want to get out of Iraq & want change, you need to look at someone else.
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Rhythm and Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 04:53 PM
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31. Oh my God, bipartisan consensus!
Well, that could mean it's a good plan...and it looks like a good plan...and that might mean that she has a good grasp of policy that all sides can respect...but it's probably a secret Republican plan to destroy America!
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 05:01 PM
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33. I don't see that there's any problem here ...
After all, we've always been at war with eurasia ... The conservatives have always held great respect for HRC ... Now repeat with me? ... :scared:
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