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wndycty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-18-07 07:41 AM Original message |
Hillary is not the first politician in Washington to declare Mission Accomplished a little too soon |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-18-07 07:50 AM Response to Original message |
1. Thanks for this - too cool! |
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Stuckinthebush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-18-07 08:11 AM Response to Original message |
2. "My girl"? |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-18-07 08:14 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Next week on Leno - size of penis jokes n/t |
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Stuckinthebush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-18-07 08:18 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Jeez...no kidding |
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maximusveritas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-18-07 08:24 AM Response to Reply #2 |
5. You have a problem with him saying "my girl"? |
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Stuckinthebush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-18-07 08:30 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. You don't? |
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maximusveritas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-18-07 08:44 AM Response to Reply #6 |
8. No I don't |
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Stuckinthebush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-18-07 09:34 AM Response to Reply #8 |
12. Read some feminist and critical research |
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tomreedtoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-18-07 10:07 AM Response to Reply #12 |
16. This is not a college dorm. This is real life. |
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Gormy Cuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-18-07 10:18 AM Response to Reply #16 |
19. Quite right. In real life calling adult women 'girls' is misogynistic. |
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Stuckinthebush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-18-07 10:26 AM Response to Reply #16 |
22. I don't think critical analysis stops at the dorm |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-18-07 12:31 PM Response to Reply #22 |
32. I know people who have gotten in trouble at work for "girl" |
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Stuckinthebush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-18-07 04:12 PM Response to Reply #32 |
65. No thanks |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-18-07 04:58 PM Response to Reply #65 |
75. IME, it is a class thing |
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raccoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-19-07 08:58 AM Response to Reply #75 |
85. May be because they have less power, and therefore have to put up with more crap. nt |
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Ninja Jordan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-18-07 12:34 PM Response to Reply #12 |
34. 'If I called my wife "my girl", I'd get an earful.' |
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Stuckinthebush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-18-07 03:32 PM Response to Reply #34 |
39. She's wonderful |
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Nedsdag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-18-07 03:36 PM Response to Reply #12 |
41. Bill calls Hillary "my girl." |
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Stuckinthebush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-18-07 03:41 PM Response to Reply #41 |
45. Get a life? |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-18-07 01:59 PM Response to Reply #8 |
37. I'm surprised you are unaware it can be offensive |
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wndycty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-18-07 08:50 AM Response to Reply #6 |
9. It is common for people in intimate relationships to refer to their mates as. . . |
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Stuckinthebush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-18-07 09:35 AM Response to Reply #9 |
13. Not "the boy" or "my boy" |
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wndycty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-18-07 09:51 AM Response to Reply #13 |
14. So how do you feel about Hillary's use of "I'm your girl?" |
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Stuckinthebush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-18-07 10:01 AM Response to Reply #14 |
15. "Offended" is not correct |
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wndycty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-18-07 10:09 AM Response to Reply #15 |
17. Oh please. Intent or lack thereof makes a world of difference in the gray areas. . . |
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Stuckinthebush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-18-07 10:21 AM Response to Reply #17 |
20. Intent matters not in societal power dynamics |
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wndycty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-18-07 12:05 PM Response to Reply #20 |
25. So when Deniece Williams sang "Let's Hear it for the boy" was that anti-male. . . |
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Stuckinthebush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-18-07 12:23 PM Response to Reply #25 |
30. I think that the context of that song was about a boy |
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wndycty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-18-07 12:28 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. Its not about a boy. . .here are the lyrics: |
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Stuckinthebush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-18-07 03:31 PM Response to Reply #31 |
38. OK...thanks. |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-18-07 01:43 PM Response to Reply #25 |
35. I very rarely turn to popular music for guidance on gender equality |
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Stuckinthebush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-18-07 03:38 PM Response to Reply #35 |
42. Yes, music is a mirror |
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MGKrebs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-18-07 03:45 PM Response to Reply #25 |
49. Doesn't work that way. It's the dominant part of the equation |
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Stuckinthebush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-18-07 03:55 PM Response to Reply #49 |
56. Nicely put |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-18-07 03:46 PM Response to Reply #15 |
50. Michelle is his girl just as Hillary claims to be your girl. |
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Stuckinthebush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-18-07 03:53 PM Response to Reply #50 |
54. No, not over analyzing |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-18-07 03:55 PM Response to Reply #54 |
57. So you think Hillary used misogynistic language when declaring she's "your girl"? |
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Stuckinthebush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-18-07 04:07 PM Response to Reply #57 |
62. Of course |
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incapsulated (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-18-07 06:12 PM Response to Reply #54 |
83. It doesn't merit analzying |
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JI7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-18-07 03:44 PM Response to Reply #13 |
47. many women refer to other guys as "my boy" |
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Stuckinthebush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-18-07 03:47 PM Response to Reply #47 |
52. Good point |
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JI7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-18-07 03:53 PM Response to Reply #52 |
55. i can totally see Michelle using it if she is teasing Obama |
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MGKrebs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-18-07 04:21 PM Response to Reply #55 |
68. Right. It's like a handicapped person could tell a joke about being handicapped, but |
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JI7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-18-07 04:28 PM Response to Reply #68 |
70. it depends on the word |
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Rockholm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-18-07 08:31 AM Response to Reply #2 |
7. I can't stand Leno. |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-18-07 01:46 PM Response to Reply #2 |
36. Thank you for this post. |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-18-07 03:36 PM Response to Reply #2 |
40. Huh? It's a term of endearment! Relax! |
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Stuckinthebush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-18-07 03:45 PM Response to Reply #40 |
48. It's not really an eyeroll statement |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-18-07 03:49 PM Response to Reply #48 |
53. I totally disagree... |
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Stuckinthebush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-18-07 03:57 PM Response to Reply #53 |
58. Easy now... |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-18-07 04:01 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. Did you see any Hillary supporters CALL it mysogynistic at the time? |
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Stuckinthebush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-18-07 04:06 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. Indeed |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-18-07 04:10 PM Response to Reply #61 |
64. I didn't see it at all. I'd love to see a thread about it. n/t |
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Stuckinthebush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-18-07 04:13 PM Response to Reply #64 |
66. I'm sorry - my post was confusing |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-18-07 05:53 PM Response to Reply #66 |
80. OK. No problem. |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-18-07 03:47 PM Response to Reply #2 |
51. And yet Hillary can declare, "I'm your girl" |
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Stuckinthebush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-18-07 04:08 PM Response to Reply #51 |
63. It does |
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BigDDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-18-07 09:04 AM Response to Original message |
10. Did BO go on to reference where Hillary declared |
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wndycty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-18-07 09:16 AM Response to Reply #10 |
11. I'm not sure if you understand this was a late night talk show and he was not . . . |
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MGKrebs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-18-07 10:24 AM Response to Reply #11 |
21. But it's not the Clinton camp that uses that. |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-18-07 10:35 AM Response to Reply #21 |
24. Who do you think pushes that meme behind the scenes? |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-18-07 10:32 AM Response to Reply #11 |
23. I don't like the inference here, |
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dogman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-18-07 12:09 PM Response to Reply #23 |
27. I agree. |
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Dawgs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-18-07 12:13 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. Very wise, and here's why. We, and the media, are talking about it. |
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dogman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-18-07 12:20 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. I'm not a Hillary supporter, yet. |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-18-07 12:32 PM Response to Reply #28 |
33. I'm not a Clinton supporter either, |
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Ethelk2044 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-18-07 03:38 PM Response to Reply #23 |
43. I realize you are a Hillary Supporter. However the media has been |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-18-07 05:21 PM Response to Reply #43 |
77. I'm not a Hillary supporter, |
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Semper_FiFi (452 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-18-07 12:06 PM Response to Reply #11 |
26. It was BO who said: "Mission Accomplished" about his own candidacy.... |
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Ethelk2044 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-18-07 03:39 PM Response to Reply #26 |
44. Hillary and the Media has been acting like she has already been sworn in for months. |
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incapsulated (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-18-07 04:28 PM Response to Reply #44 |
71. Hillary has? How so? |
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Semper_FiFi (452 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-18-07 05:29 PM Response to Reply #44 |
79. Link please? n/t |
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Ethelk2044 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-18-07 03:42 PM Response to Reply #26 |
46. Semper FI the only poll that counts is the ones that start in Iowa on |
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Semper_FiFi (452 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-18-07 05:28 PM Response to Reply #46 |
78. Keep telling yourself that as your candidate sinks... |
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Catherine Vincent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-18-07 10:11 AM Response to Original message |
18. I missed this. |
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bigwillq (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-18-07 04:01 PM Response to Original message |
59. Why can't I get excited over Obama? |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-18-07 04:26 PM Response to Reply #59 |
69. It was amazing seeing people see him speak in public |
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bigwillq (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-18-07 04:36 PM Response to Reply #69 |
72. I would like to see him in person |
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JI7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-18-07 04:45 PM Response to Reply #59 |
73. i think people just have different tastes |
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rufus dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-18-07 04:19 PM Response to Original message |
67. come on lighten up! |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-18-07 04:55 PM Response to Original message |
74. Did Hillary make a bit of an error with her million dollar earmark |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-18-07 04:59 PM Response to Reply #74 |
76. Yes |
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illinoisprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-18-07 06:03 PM Response to Original message |
81. That Mission Accomplished was classic. simply classic |
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illinoisprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-18-07 06:03 PM Response to Reply #81 |
82. I don't think Michelle minds Obama calling her his girl |
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Auntie Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-18-07 06:26 PM Response to Original message |
84. So show/tell me when/where Hillary ever suggested mission accomplished? |
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