Upset by the - Vote for any Dem but Hillary! - threads? Don't click on them & let them disappear!

I've always been amused when people say they're tired of reading all the negative comments about something where they could go into the thread and make their case, but instead make threads time after time on the net about how a certain type of thread they keep seeing makes them so upset.


Seeing the level of arguments going on in various threads, especially in "The video Hillary doesn't want you to see" thread, tells me we're in trouble if she's the nominee, and those HRC supporters who are true Democrats (not paid shills as I believe are out there - and you'd be dumb to not believe there's several of them, like the guys the B*sh Administration were paying to push propaganda) are blind to the fact that she causes an extreme amount of "NO! Anyone of them but not her!" thoughts in a lot of Democrats.


The couple dozen different users I keep seeing, that support every questionable move by HRC and disavow the negatives abounding her as the candidate that corporate-America desires, should realize she's going to cause far more Democrats and Independents to not vote than any of our other choices.

I was attacked immaturely for stating that no one in my family (large), or my many many friends (I'm outgoing) supports her at ALL as the Democratic candidate. Sure, it's a sampling of about 100 people I've spoken to and asked directly over the past year, but damn, when you can't find one person that wants her as our nominee out of the people you know, then you're going to be shocked like me and comment on that fact - regardless of what some of you say - it's got some discussion value as does the amount of disgust about her on this site, and some I know even say they won't vote or will vote for Giuliani says a lot to me.

If you don't wanna hear about it, don't click on the threads, it's pretty simple. These people have voted every election cycle. I almost believe that it's quite possibly another great move by the right wingers who run the networks to constantly point out she's virtually unstoppable as the eventual president and is so far ahead in money and polling that she's a lock, just so that come next summer they can screw our chances over of taking back the White House or get her in since I really don't see her pro-stay in Iraq agenda and corporate ties as being very liberal ---

and frankly, if you don't agree with me, I don't care - I'm not going to stop telling people about the threat of the "bush-clinton-bush-clinton-bush" cycle of presidential imperialism we're facing. They have been relatively sour towards workers rights and good paying jobs staying that way through the dirty NAFTA deal that was handed to Americans.

There's plenty of reasons to be disgusted about her, and hopeful even a few of these HRC backers admit to themselves she's not the best candidate for workers and will not do anything to end the war as quickly as the rest of the Dem candidates.

Flame away, but thank you, to some of you for strengthening my resolve! lol... It's been entertaining hearing the reasons why Senator Clinton is backed by you all. I keep hearing because she's not going to take any crap from the bad guys, well that doesn't matter when you won't pick up even one of the "red" states that several of our other choices would to secure the GE win.

If this thread disappears in 1 hour I'll be very pleased, as I'll take it that some of the HRC backers aren't paid by the post in supporting her - HA!

Most eloquent and spot on.

But what if she ends up being our candidate? I don't know of anyone who is going to vote for her in the primaries. I know so many Democrats who say they won't vote if she is the candidate. On the other hand, I'll bet if I phone-banked mid-America, almost every Democrat would overwhelmingly say they were voting for Clinton. They probably wouldn't even know who the other candidates are. Most Democrats, like most Americans don't have a fucking clue. As sick, sad and telling as it is, Americans buy the brand name. It doesn't matter if it's a crappy brand, they'll buy it because they are too lazy to research the product. That really makes me angry. So those of us who absolutely don't want HRC as President will have no choice but to vote for her, because of mass stupidity, and because the Republicans are so incredibly heinous. In the meantime, I've tried to be positive and convince myself that HRC will actually make a decent President because I need some sugar to take with this bitter pill.

and it's painful. I appreciate it, and commiserate with you liberalmuse.

I mean, she said she doesn't even LIKE the word you call yourself on here. There's several things I'm very against concerning her, and I dread having to push the button for her when Kucinich, Biden, Obama, Edwards!, or Richardson would be a far greater choice for our country.

And yet you NAIL it, most people are not as informed as they should be and so, we must hope she isn't on that ballot come Nov. '08, because it's going to be a troubling decision for many of us. The more I hear about her, and her connections, her top guy being willing to union-bust for big bucks, representing Blackwater, her questionable fundraising she's had to give some back because of - well it all just makes me a tad sick.

Another thing that is a warning sign: some advocates of HRC who go into attack mode against DUer who post negative, but true news items about her. It smacks of the blackout of any real, meaningful coverage about bush in 2000 and it stinks to high heaven.

If she can't stand up to some scrutiny, maybe she is not the best person for the nomination.

I know there have been attacks based on superficial things, but there have been plenty of attacks on posters of real items that matter, like the people she has working for her campaign who have rather notorious histories of not being honest nor following democratic principles. There are liars and disseminators in high places in the HRC campaign and there have been attacks here on posters who point that out. Questionable pollsters and all these polls claiming her as inevitable just smack of rovian 'create our own reality' strategy. We don't restore the nation by continuing with methods that give us illusions over democratic governance.

THAT worries me more than the candidate herself. The people one surrounds one's self with speak volumes.
While I disagree with many of HRC's positions, and do believe that, sadly, some superficial traits DO matter in a campaign and should be considered, I would not have that much trouble pulling the lever for her in a general election, were it NOT for her heavy handed advocates who seem to be using play books by Rove & Gingrich.

I came here as a contributor to John Edwards and Barack Obama with lukewarm feeling toward Senator Clinton...I thought she was formulaic...When I told my buddy who is for Clinton that I'm for Obama he said "it figures"...However, all the bashing she takes here made me sympathetic to her... I noticed the same phenomenon during impeachment... The more the Repukes attacked Clinton the more sympathetic I felt toward him. I am now at the point I would take a cap in the ear for Hillary Clinton.

Most of my friends are for Clinton...They are a pretty eclectic group...They include a female trial attorney, a female appellate attorney, an African American land caper with a ninth grade education, an African American career veteran with Bronze Stars from Nam and Korea, and an editor...

and I know you're not one of the users who complains about the threads. you come in and speak of your allegiance to HRC.

You are far away the only person on this site who has come into it and been for Edwards who didn't really care for HRC and now support her because of "all the bashing she takes" making you sympathetic to her and making that a reason to side with her.

Well, if that's what makes you tick, I can't discuss why you liked Obama and Edwards to begin with, because you apparently prefer the friend of the corporations and the military industrial complex, the drug companies and insurance firms, wall street, over the candidates who stand up for the working class and have no problem in pointing HRC's flaws that will make her a losing candidate in 08 unless more people get educated on the issues HRC is for, how she's voted, and her connections which are disgusting.

thank you for your post explaining why you like her, it's spoken with honesty, and about your colleagues you mentioned, have you asked them have they compared the issues and the votes HRC has done compared to the issues/stands/votes of the other DEM candidates? Just wondering. Because the one single person that was lukewarm to her who said "how about the upcoming election? First woman president, huh? How about that!", quickly changed his tune when he saw her staff's connections, her votes, and her stand on a couple issues, esp. Iran and being tied to Murdoch and Wall Street.

I think the Hillary hatred is exaggerated here, and I think it's important for Hillary supporters, and others like myself who support another candidate but think the campaign against her is out of line. to speak up.

Why wouldn't Clinton supporters defend their candidate? If someone started an "Anyone But Edwards" strategy on DU, would Edwards supporters stay out of those threads? Of course not.

as I made clear in the title, that if seeing threads questioning HRC's views and choices, then don't come in them if you are bothered by them. I have no problem, nor did I say I did, with people that have ability to speak about the HRC choices we are so horrified by.

thanks though for commenting

when legit questions have been raised, and it's juvenile IMO. The Clinton supporters can't let smears and distortions stand without challenge, and most of them have been very good in their defense.

discussion. In fact, if my memory is correct, it was created as a way to let the more temperamental among us to have a place to play without disrupting the more thoughtful discussions going on elsewhere here. The rules are less strictly enforced in here I believe.

In any case, it's pretty much just entertainment for me now. I keep my Anti-Bullshit Fillet Knife at the ready, and try to amuse myself in the process.

Before the Hillary supporters started fighting back, there were threads with nothing but Hillary Sucks, part 4903 as the OP, and 20 recommends and 50 posts saying, "and she is the devil".

I think you are just annoyed that they broke up your little circle-jerk.

one of the people I was referring to in the OP. And if you take the time to look, none of that crap that you mention came out of my fingertips, and, I don't recall ever entering one of those threads, so you won't even see post by me in them. circle-jerk? is this a come-on? ;0~

Count me as the ranks of the "immature"