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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 12:27 PM
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Gallup: Guliani support thin & indifferent; Clinton support committed & enthusiastic
Beyond the horse-race aspect, this is good news for all Dems, enthusiasm-wise. Guliani must go down, and go down hard. The man is a menace.
Where things stand: Election 2008

There are a number of signs which underscore Hillary Clinton’s strong position in the race for the Democratic nomination. Number one, of course, is her tremendous lead in the national polls. She has a 29 point lead over her nearest competitor in our latest USA Today/Gallup poll. A CNN poll released yesterday shows virtually the same thing.

Second, when one looks at any summary of where the early primary and caucus states are at this point, Clinton also looks strong. She has strong leads in most early primary states, including New Hampshire. Her only potential weakness: Iowa, where available polling suggests a much closer race, albeit with the huge caveat that predicting the outcome of a caucus process is very tricky. The Clinton campaign is well aware of her relative weakness in Iowa, and there’s little doubt that securing a win in that state’s caucus is now the number one short term objective of her entire campaign apparatus.

67% of Clinton voters say they are certain to vote for her and won’t change their minds. Less than half of those Democrats who say they support one of the other Democratic candidates are certain to vote for them. Plus, 64% of Democrats say they would support Hillary Clinton’s candidacy enthusiastically, rather than just as a vote to beat the Republicans.

Plus, as my colleague Jeff Jones’ has recently discussed here, history shows that there has never been a Democratic candidate with a 20 point or larger lead this late in the campaign process who did not go on to win the nomination. (SNIP...)

http://blogs.usatoday.com/gallup/2007/10/where-things-st.html
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 12:29 PM
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1. hmm... one line dispels all 2004 polling comparisons
"history shows that there has never been a Democratic candidate with a 20 point or larger lead this late in the campaign process who did not go on to win the nomination."
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 12:33 PM
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3. The odd thing is that Ted Kennedy is a much better comparison than Dean
I was surprised to see that Ted Kennedy was two-to-one over Carter in 1979 polling.

re: The enthusiasm factor:


"All told, 57% of Democrats who express a candidate preference say they are certain to support that candidate, much better than the 44% of Republicans who say they are certain to support their first choice for the Republican nomination. But the Democratic number is inflated by Clinton supporters -- 67% of Democrats who name Clinton as their first choice say they are certain to support her, compared with just 44% of Democrats who support any of the other Democratic presidential candidates Thus, it appears that the Democrats' advantage in candidate enthusiasm over Republicans is largely attributable to heightened excitement among Clinton backers."

http://www.galluppoll.com/content/?ci=29050&loc=interstitialskip
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 12:43 PM
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13. Yeah, but where those people former VPs?
2004- Early frontrunner wasn't Kerry
2000- Early frontrunner was Gore, former VP
1992- Early frontrunner wasn't Clinton.
1988- Early frontrunner wasn't Dukakis
1984- Early frontrunner was Mondale, former VP
1976- Early frontrunner wasn't Carter.
1976- Early frontrunner wasn't McGovern

So you could claim that the early frontrunner only gets the dem nomination when they are a VP or former VP.

Alas, I don't doubt that HRC may be the nominee, but I would count your chickens yet.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 12:52 PM
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15. How many were 20+ ahead this late?
and, FYI, Kerry was the early frontrunner - way early in 2003.

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DemNoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 12:31 PM
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2. Another piece falls into place
Yes,of course Gallup joins in the Hillary chorus. The armies of Fascism have their chosen one.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 12:35 PM
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5. The Flat Earth Society weighs in... thanks for the insight.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 12:39 PM
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9. I Like That Poster...
His stance never wavers...

You should do a search...
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 12:43 PM
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14. Did you just learn how to spell fascism?
And just had to try it out..?

:rofl:

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Carrieyazel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 12:34 PM
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4. Who are these misguided individuals who support Hillary?????
Remember, the people who don't support Hillary are also committed and enthusiastic about stopping her.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 12:38 PM
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6. Are All Hillary Supporters Misguided?
It is the condescension of her opponents that stiffen the resolve of her supporters...
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 12:39 PM
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7. Of course they are, but in small numbers.
There are people out there who would crawl through broken glass for Ron Paul, but it's not really germane to who will win the republican nomination.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 12:39 PM
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8. when it comes down to it the hard Christian right will vote for rudy
especially if up against Hillary
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 12:42 PM
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10. I'm Not Convinced Of That After They See This
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IrE6FMpai8


I was baptized in a Southern Baptist church at fourteen and I never saw anything like that until I went to the big city...
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 12:43 PM
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12. They will want to vote against Hillary, but won't know which one is Hillary
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 12:42 PM
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11. And those who support others besides Giuliani and Clinton...
are sick and disgusted.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 01:27 PM
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16. But but Clinton's support is soft...
While Obama armies of college students are going to go out and vote in the primaries!

:sarcasm:
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 01:32 PM
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17. Soft as Charmin... check it out
"All told, 57% of Democrats who express a candidate preference say they are certain to support that candidate, much better than the 44% of Republicans who say they are certain to support their first choice for the Republican nomination. But the Democratic number is inflated by Clinton supporters -- 67% of Democrats who name Clinton as their first choice say they are certain to support her, compared with just 44% of Democrats who support any of the other Democratic presidential candidates Thus, it appears that the Democrats' advantage in candidate enthusiasm over Republicans is largely attributable to heightened excitement among Clinton backers."

http://www.galluppoll.com/content/?ci=29050&loc=interst...
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