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alteredstate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 06:44 PM
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Statement from Senator Obama on Reverend McClurkin
Edited on Mon Oct-22-07 06:46 PM by alteredstate
A statement from Senator Obama:


"I have clearly stated my belief that gays and lesbians are our brothers and sisters and should be provided the respect, dignity, and rights of all other citizens. I have consistently spoken directly to African-American religious leaders about the need to overcome the homophobia that persists in some parts our community so that we can confront issues like HIV/AIDS and broaden the reach of equal rights in this country.


I strongly believe that African Americans and the LGBT community must stand together in the fight for equal rights. And so I strongly disagree with Reverend McClurkin’s views and will continue to fight for these rights as President of the United States to ensure that America is a country that spreads tolerance instead of division."


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rogue emissary Donating Member (380 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 06:46 PM
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any sign he's dropping McClurkin from the event?
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 06:46 PM
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1. When did he make this, and where's the link?
Also, is he disinviting this guy for his tour or not?
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 06:47 PM
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3. Doesn't sound like it, to me. nt
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alteredstate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 06:49 PM
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5. I'm an Obama volunteer, and I'm working at our local office tonight.
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 06:53 PM
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10. If you can, try to find out if McCloset is getting dropped from the tour...
a lot of us are upset over this.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 07:08 PM
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22. Where did you get the statement from? nt
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alteredstate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 07:12 PM
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25. It was issued by the Obama campaign.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 07:23 PM
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31. Let me try this again.
Where did you hear/read this information?
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alteredstate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 07:30 PM
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33. I've already answered this question on this thread.
I'm an Obama volunteer, and I was working at the local campaign office when Senator Obama's statement was released. The statement has been posted at the Obama website.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 06:46 PM
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2. Yay, Obama! (but we could use a link, please).
Edited on Mon Oct-22-07 06:47 PM by IanDB1
He forgot to say,

"PS: While I was thrown under the bus, I noticed that the front axle could use realignment."

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alteredstate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 06:50 PM
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6. I don't have a link, but I can assure you that the statement is from Senator Obama
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 06:52 PM
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8. Not that we don't trust you. It's just that stuff like that needs a link as a matter of course. n/t
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alteredstate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 06:56 PM
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12. I'm sure Senator Obama's statement will be posted on his website soon.
Edited on Mon Oct-22-07 07:39 PM by alteredstate
www.barackobama.com
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dbackjon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 07:36 PM
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34. Have to dig to find it
His campaign buried it deep.
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obamian Donating Member (282 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 06:57 PM
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13. Link
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Sandaasu Donating Member (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 07:02 PM
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17. That's good, is he gone though?
If Donnie's still on the lineup, it's moot.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 07:12 AM
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36. Thanks!


Statement on Rev. McClurkin
"I have clearly stated my belief that gays and lesbians are our brothers and sisters and should be provided the respect, dignity, and rights of all other citizens. I have consistently spoken directly to African-American religious leaders about the need to overcome the homophobia that persists in some parts of our community so that we can confront issues like HIV/AIDS and broaden the reach of equal rights in this country.

I strongly believe that African Americans and the LGBT community must stand together in the fight for equal rights. And so I strongly disagree with Reverend McClurkin's views and will continue to fight for these rights as President of the United States to ensure that America is a country that spreads tolerance instead of division."
~ Barack Obama
10/22/07



http://pride.barackobama.com/page/content/lgbthome

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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 06:47 PM
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4. Good, so McClurkin will be dropped from the event then?
I'm glad Obama is doing something about this.
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alteredstate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 06:51 PM
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7. I don't know. I posted the statement as soon as I saw it, but that's all I have.
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 06:52 PM
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9. His words mean nothing if he's not dropping McClurkin, though.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 06:56 PM
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11. I'm betting he is not.... Sounds like he's trying to split the baby...
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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 07:00 PM
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14. I hate to say it but...
I called it, I said I would bet he makes a statement but keeps him on the tour.

I dunno how else he can diffuse it without it blowing up into a full MSM story, if he suddenly kicks a singer out after inviting him in the first place.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 07:14 AM
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37. You just have to hope the judges rank him in the bottom two of all the singers...
and then text-message in your vote over the weekend.

No?

Wrong show?

My bad.
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BronxBoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 07:00 PM
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15. Can you give some background info, please?
Is this Donny McClurkin? What happened?
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 07:01 PM
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16. Obama is going on a "gospel tour" with anti-gay crusader Donnie McClurkin
Now he's apparently apologizing but still touring with him.
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BronxBoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 07:03 PM
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18. Thanks....
I googled it and got the story. I just wish that folks would post some background with these types of links.
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alteredstate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 07:07 PM
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21. Sorry - so many threads have been started on this issue, I thought it needed no introduction.....
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alteredstate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 07:05 PM
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19. Senator Obama is not "going on a gospel tour with Donnie McClurkin"
Edited on Mon Oct-22-07 07:14 PM by alteredstate
McClurkin was contracted to sing at one of the three gospel concerts this weekend, and Senator Obama will not be in attendance at the concerts.

And the concerts aren't "fundraisers". The $10.00 admission fee will cover the cost of renting the venues.


***** edited because I can't type to save my life........
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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 07:07 PM
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20. Honestly, that is an important fact
He isn't raising money from this and he isn't appearing.

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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 07:12 PM
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24. Seems like an important piece of information to me.
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 07:24 PM
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32. That's not what I gather from the official campaign site.
http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/scembrace

Tickets are just $10 and support Barack's historic, grassroots campaign for the Presidency.

Perhaps you could share your source for stating that these concerts aren't fundraisers?
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 05:18 PM
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41. Why do you say that?
From his website:

"Tickets are just $10 and support Barack's historic, grassroots campaign for the Presidency."
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 07:11 PM
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23. Well, that's just crap
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BronxBoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 07:13 PM
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26. I've said it before and I'll say it again...
Edited on Mon Oct-22-07 07:23 PM by BronxBoy
We need to carefully watch how Black America handles the issue of Gay rights.

There are too many folks within our community who absolutely bristle when the struggle for equal opportunity being waged by Gay American citizens is compared to the civil right struggles of Black America. And I think it is a very slippery slope we tread upon when I hear our people justify entrenched discrimination because somehow the cause of Gay Americans is "different"

Well it's not different!. At the end of the day, there is a group of law abiding, tax paying Americans who are being treated as "less than". And if we justify the treatment of homosexuals in this country and, even worse, absorb the mentality of the status quo, then it is just a matter of time when the the attention is turned to rolling back OUR rights.

Hell. Aren't nooses being displayed and hung on an all together uncomfortable pace in this country right now? But hey: "At least we aren't GAY". So we look the other way when Gay people are oppressed but can't connect the dots to see the more it becomes acceptable to squash their rights, the easier it will eventually be to squash ours.

And didn't McClurkin have some type of problems with a porn addiction?

Edited for Grammer
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 07:17 PM
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28. I'm glad you said that.
I've had people argue strenuously with me, offended that I'd compare the struggle for gay rights with other civil rights battles.

They're the same. Different circumstances, different leaders perhaps, but they're the same.
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Nedsdag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 04:00 PM
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39. Many blacks feel that way.
They are insulted by the parallel. You may not like it but it is a fact and it will take a long, long time before those feelings change. Quite possibly a whole generation.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 07:05 PM
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42. So long as it changes
They're welcome to their feelings, but that doesn't mean they're in any way right.

Discrimination is discrimination. And having suffered it oneself is never an excuse for practicing it against someone else.

Some things are simply wrong or right. If it takes a while for certain people to get there, then that's unfortunate. What I'm convinced of, though, is that they WILL get there. We as a society will get there.
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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 07:17 PM
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29. This differs from White America, how?
Any time you go into religious communities of ANY race, you run the risk of finding people more strident about gays.

And there have been plenty of white liberals who have told the LBGT community over and over that they have to sit down and shut up.


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BronxBoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 07:21 PM
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30. Because This is Black America
And in Black America, the consequences are much, much more graver in adopting the ideology of certain segments of the White community.

The same Biblical arguments and the same bullshit rationale that is being used to deny Gay folks their just due parallels the same pattern of justification used to oppress Black people in the not too distant past.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 07:15 PM
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27. Good. Now get on board with true equality, including
marriage equality, Obama.

But this is a good step, and I'm glad to see it.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 09:02 PM
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35. I think you are overreading what he is saying..
I"m afraid we'll all be majorly disappointed, if we think any action is going with these sentiments... He'll appear at the event, I am convinced.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 02:19 PM
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38. Well, that could be.
It's a good first step, but I agree, words are just words at this point. Action means much more!
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 04:03 PM
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40. Nice try
Until Obama severs ties with this bigot, then my respect is lost for Obama.
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