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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 07:02 PM
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Now DUers are calling out Obama about the race of the gay minister? Oh its pure politics now!
For the 100th time Obama's campaign fucked this one up, but on the DU its not longer about right and wrong, its no longer about civil rights its about pure politics.

When bullshit threads like this start you know what is up:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3646420

To my DU brothers and sisters who are sincerely bothered by the McClurkin issue I continue to be ashamed of the way the Obama campaign handled this situation.

To the DUers who are using this as a political tool to destroy the man, have fun its quickly becoming apparent what your real motives are.
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 07:09 PM
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1. it was Black GLBT folk mentioned in the blog calling out the
color of the minister Obama chose NOT other DUers. STOP LYING!!
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 07:10 PM
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2. They hate religion! No, it's the Hillary supporters! No, it's because he's black!
For crying out loud. Can't anybody just admit that the reason is what it is?

Obama is promoting a homophobe. Unapologetically promoting a whole group of them, no less. And he just doesn't give a damn about what it does to LGBT Americans.

It has nothing to do with religion. It has nothing to do with Hillary. It has nothing to do with race.

IT'S THE HOMOPHOBIA, STUPID!
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 07:11 PM
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3. Is the minister a famously rabid anti-heterosexual bigot? You know, for balance?
Why does Donnie McBigot support Obama?
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 07:13 PM
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7. Hey, he supported *dauphin too!!!
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 07:21 PM
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15. Why does Ray Mayberry-be-a-bigot support Hillary?
They are all wrong.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 07:11 PM
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4. The OP does nothing save quote Keith Boykin.
You really need to take it up with Boykin if you object to it--he is a BET broadcaster. And it is the front page on the guy's website: http://www.keithboykin.com/

And you'd probably be better off taking your concerns about the thread TO the thread, rather than starting a finger-pointer here. That's not helpful.
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cobalt1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 07:12 PM
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5. Oh come on!
If Hillary or Edwards had "screwed the pooch" instead of Obama, then the Obama supporters (and probably you) would be doing the same thing. Get down off your high horse unless you've never jumped on a campaign mistake of another candidate.

If you have jumped on campaign mistakes of other candidates, you're being a hypocrite.
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 07:13 PM
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6. You really don't know me do you. . .
Edited on Thu Oct-25-07 07:17 PM by wndycty
. . .I have been pro Obama, not anti-any other candidate, so you can take your (and probably you) comment it and shove it up your ignorant shallow ass.

You assume that since I support Obama I attack other candidates and I don't. Your criticism of other Obama supporters is fair but I will not let you attempt to call me out for something I have not done in this election cycle. Go ahead, go through the god damned archives and attempt to back your accusation against me up.

Come on, I'm waiting.
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DemFemme Donating Member (315 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 07:15 PM
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10. LOL n/t
:applause:
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cobalt1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 07:16 PM
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12. Fine, YOU have never said a disparaging word about another candidate.
Does that go for all Obama supporters?

You know as well as my "ignorant shallow ass" that isn't true.
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 07:19 PM
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14. You called me out and that is what I responded to, I'm not my brother's or sister's keeper
:kick:
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cobalt1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 07:30 PM
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21. You are not your brother or sisters keeper...fine.
Edited on Thu Oct-25-07 07:31 PM by cobalt1999
So, do you post similar threads telling Obama supporters to lay off Clinton, Edwards, etc?

Why are you the keeper of non-Obama supporters then?
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 07:36 PM
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24. Criticism sucks doesn't it, I call you out and rather than just accept that you got called out. .
Edited on Thu Oct-25-07 07:39 PM by wndycty
. . .or come back with a viable defense, you ask while I'm not calling others out. Good tactic, won't work with me.
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cobalt1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 07:41 PM
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28. Just pointing out your hypocrisy
Edited on Thu Oct-25-07 07:42 PM by cobalt1999
People jumping on Obama mistakes must be corrected by you. People jumping on other candidate mistakes are not.

I know it won't work with you, pointing out inconsistent behavior and double standards never does with hypocrites.

Your behavior has proven my point wonderfully.
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 07:44 PM
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29. I criticize my candidate when necessary and I protect my candidate when necessary. . .
. . .I don't attack other candidates and the fact that I don't police what others say about other candidates is not my problem. I'm sure more than a few supporters of other candidates do a good job protecting/defending their candidates.

So I am a hypocrite because even though I don't attack other candidates, I don't defend them either? LOL
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cobalt1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 07:49 PM
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31. "I don't police what others say about other candidates is not my problem"
But policing what others say about your candidate is?

If you don't see the inconsistency of that, then you are truly blind to your hypocrisy. LOL!
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 07:52 PM
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33. Go ahead call me a hypocrite if you wish, its not going to ruin my day
:kick:
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cobalt1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 07:55 PM
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36. I'm glad you've come to terms with it.
Have a nice day.
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 07:14 PM
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8. I wish you wouldn't do this.
It was an AA blogger who raised this issue. I know there are some DUers who are using this as a way to push their own candidate, but I also know that there are more than that number who are genuinely angry and hurt by Obama's inclusion of this bigot. If we start connecting dots that aren't there, it only makes things worse.
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 07:14 PM
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9. I did it so live with it
:kick:
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 07:15 PM
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11. No thanks
you live with it. Bye
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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 07:18 PM
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13. Those upset by this ARE black and gay
Or just have a clue.

This is the message:

You can't be black and gay. We get a white gay pastor up there and stick our heads in the sand about the prejudice in our community by perpetuating the idea that this "isn't our problem".
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DemFemme Donating Member (315 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 07:21 PM
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16. Have you considered that there was no openly gay black minister that wanted to volunteer?
I have.
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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 07:23 PM
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19. After the initial fuckup, I would have expected them
To scour the country for one or forget it because it makes the whole thing worse.
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DemFemme Donating Member (315 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 07:40 PM
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26. I suspect the head of Obama's AA Religious Leaders Working Group tried.
I respect your perspective. Maybe it would be a good idea if you contacted Rev. Dr. Otis Moss, Jr. of Olivet Institutional
Baptist Church in Cleveland, Ohio and ask him. He is the Chair of the Obama National African American Religious Leaders
Working Group.

Peace.
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 07:21 PM
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17. I blame Hillary
This is obviously the result of a Clinton/DLC/GLBT conspiracy
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 07:22 PM
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18. His "RACE" is an issue.
Some white devil comin' in to corrupt true Bible-believing Black Baptists. Calling Rev. Irene Monroe!!!! Please pick up the rainbow courtesy phone!!!
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 07:28 PM
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20. Gee Obama is getting bashed the supporters are messing them selves.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 07:32 PM
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22. Read the OP
it's African American gay people calling him out. Many of them OBAMA backers.

I'm trying to restrain myself here, because your OP is so incredibly dishonest.
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 07:34 PM
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23. Oh its all about politics your motivations are blatantly clear. . .
. . .and don't restrain yourself, go right ahead, tell me what I should think.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 07:39 PM
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25. These are the OPINIONS of some gay, black people
apparently you didn't bother to read the link.

I happen to agree with every word they write. That is my OPINION. This is a DISCUSSION board.

How you extrapolated "trying to tell you what you should think" from that is known only to you.
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 07:41 PM
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27. Well that is what I extrapolated and as long as this as moved from a legitimate civil rights issue
. . .to a an issue to be exploited for political gain I'm not going to sit down, I'm not going to shut up and I will call out politics when I see it.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 07:46 PM
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30. Tarring everyone who is pissed off about this
with the "Hillary partisan" label is disingenuous and factually incorrect.
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 07:51 PM
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32. So who is extrapolating now? LOL
Since I have acknowledged this is a legitimate issue and acknowledged that I know there are a number of people sincerely upset about this, you know I'm not "tarring everyone who is pissed off about this."

This is a legitimate issue, but even legitimate issues can be exploited which is what many DUers are doing. Whoever is sincerely, pissed about it has every right to be, hell whoever is exploiting this has a right to. As I have right to question to the motives of supporters of other candidates who appear to be exploiting this issue.

If you want to feel better about yourself by assuming I'm "tarring everyone who is pissed off about this" go right ahead, I can't stop you. LOL
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 07:55 PM
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35. Then why did you post this OP
which suggests that the feelings of the people quoted in the link I provided are not legitimate? ("It's pure politics now")
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 07:57 PM
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37. Because I wanted to. . .
I expressed my feelings and it felt good. . .how does that sound? Am I not allowed to express my feelings?

:kick:
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 07:58 PM
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39. whatever
n/t
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 07:52 PM
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34. I don't agree he fucked up. I wish you would stop repeating that.
Don't give in; be strong.
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 07:58 PM
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38. Being strong is not burying your head in the sand. They didn't properly vet McClurkin. . .
. . .this wasn't some bold move that they were prepared to defend. They f'ed up and were caught off guard.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 09:06 PM
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40. Go re-read the op.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 09:10 PM
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41. Please stop.
Enough kvetching over this.

I think people have made up their minds.

Did you know my mom's assisted care facility and my sister's home burned down in Rancho Bernardo? So did another sister's home in Poway. To the ground.

Kind of makes you focus.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 09:19 PM
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42. yet you continue to support and obfuscate
kudos to you. you're a credit to your candidate's supporters. :eyes:
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