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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 01:26 PM
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Reaching out to, or finding common ground with, bigots of any kind is something I do not support.
I don't care who the candidate is...and that includes Sen. Clinton.
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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 01:27 PM
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1. You and I are in agreement
IF Senator Clinton tried to reach out to ANY sort of bigot, then I'd IMMEDIATELY drop my support for her.
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sampsonblk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 02:18 PM
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10. No, you would not
I can promise you that Sen Clinton will appear on stage with several people who think homosexual behavior is evil and should be repented from, lest the person burn in hell. I can guarantee you she will appear with them as often as they will have her. And you won't say a thing because you won't know. And neither will I.

Same for Edwards.
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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 05:03 AM
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19. And you know this how exactly? n/t
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sampsonblk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 02:10 PM
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20. Because I know you're not a mind reader
A lot of these people believe this stuff, but never mention it. And all the candidates are trying their best to be on stage with black preachers.

So it stands to reason that they all will end up on stage with a black preacher who believes gays are evil. And you will never know which ones they are. Because they won't say a word about it, and the candidates won't ask them about it either.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 01:28 PM
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2. Wish my world was so black & white...
NGU.
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 01:35 PM
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3. It's not about Black and White
It's about having principles. If Senator Obama is willing to make a deal with a demon today, what is there to stop him from making a deal with Satan tomorrow?
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 01:52 PM
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5. Hey, I hate bigotry too. But to neatly classify people into "bigots" and "not bigots"...
...well, frankly, it reeks of bigotry to me.

NGU.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 01:36 PM
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4. I genuinely support reaching out to bigots
on every issue in the world other than their bigotry. Some white working class people are racists to some degree. The Democratic party should reach out to them on issues of poverty, class, unionization, etc..

What the party should NOT do is to reach out to them specifically on their bigotry.

This is so simple, yet seemingly elusive.

John Edwards could use a racist appeal to attract a segment of poor white people to a rally, but that would be wrong. That doesn't mean those people should be ignored, just that we should seek COMMON ground.

The minimum wage, for instance, is common ground. "Keeping our schools white" is not common ground.
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 02:00 PM
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9. Excellent post.
But because it reeks of common sense, you can bet the sentiment will be ignored by most.
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 11:05 AM
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24. "so simple, yet seemingly elusive"

And those who won't see/acknowledge the difference between

(a) finding common ground with (and accepting the support of) people on issues that are common ground, despite their unacceptable views on other matters, and

(b) seeking people's support by legitimizing their unacceptable views

... well, they're not being simple, they're just trying to elude the obvious.

How the hell else does one win an election, if one does not seek common ground with people with whom one disagrees, no matter how vehemently, on other things?
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freestyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 01:58 PM
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6. How else do you change them?
I think reaching out to bigots is necessary to correct their bigotry. How else would it happen? I have problems with silence in the face of bigotry, but the outreach is needed. Expanding the common ground can be effective tool to changing the bigotry.
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 01:58 PM
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7. the judiciary and the army. nt.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 01:58 PM
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8. Thank you
It was important that we all knew that. :thumbsup:
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sampsonblk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 02:20 PM
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11. And they say the same thing about gays. Very unfortunate-nt
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 10:36 AM
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23. Because bigots and gays are the same? Morally equivalent in your book?
In what way is that an appropriate comparison?
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 02:22 PM
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12. IndianaJones, I just posted a thread that might read as a contradiction of yours
It's not meant to be. I agree with you on this.

It's just a different angle on the same issue. Not meant as hostile in any way!
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 02:27 PM
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13. you are much more civil than I. nt.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 02:32 PM
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14. So..
If someone can look past their bigoted views to support a progressive candidate, we should tell them to piss off? We should say there is no quarter in this party for them, even when it is they who are compromising their beliefs in our favor?
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 02:35 PM
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15. There is nothing more rewarding than making a bigot change their mind
I've done it a few times. I also let it be known that I object to people using bigoted words around me...
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 02:40 PM
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17. Well a LOT of folks here will never have that chance.
So many seem to feel that involving everyone in fixing things isn't part of the plan.
Like they will be able to communicate hope by force.

Oh Well. Another great opportunity will be lost.
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 02:39 PM
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16. "reaching out" is a BS excuse
Obama was not "reaching out" on the issue of homophobia when his campaign arranged for the bigot to sing. Obama was going for votes and donations. This is not the Anti-Homophobia Gospel Tour. It was not organized to fight homophobia. They did not hire McBigot to speak out on the issue of homophobia nor did they hire him to talk about homophobia

They hired him to sing. They did not hire him to reach out to him
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bighart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 02:41 PM
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18. so you are opposed to reaching out
to Iran and Syria and North Korea to avoid a military confrontation then too right, after all they are bigots in the worst way. Especially Iran.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 02:18 PM
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21. Then don't vote for him.
Hillary has some skeletons in her LGBT closest which apparently is just a point of fact here at DU.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 02:21 PM
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22. I Think the Practice You Object to Is Called Pandering-- "Triangulation" is the Latest Euphenism
Cutting a deal with a bigot just so one can sell out the rest of the country and the victims of bigotry is what we all object to.
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