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elizm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 06:19 PM
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Obama will vote against Mukasey
http://tpmelectioncentral.com/2007/10/obama_i_cannot_support_mukasey_for_ag.php

Obama: "I Cannot Support" Mukasey For AG
By Greg Sargent - October 29, 2007, 5:48PM
Barack Obama's campaign sends over the following statement:

"We urgently need an Attorney General who will check the vast and unconstrained executive powers that have been accumulated under the Bush-Cheney Administration. Judge Mukasey has failed to send a clear signal that he understands the legal and moral issues that are at stake for our country, and so I cannot support him.
"No nominee for Attorney General should need a second chance to oppose torture and the unnecessary violation of civil liberties. It's time to stop the political parsing and to close the legal loopholes. Waterboarding is torture, and so are other 'enhanced interrogation techniques' like 'head-slapping' and 'extreme temperatures.' It's time to reclaim our values and reaffirm our Constitution."


Earlier today Chris Dodd came out firmly against Mukasey, prompting us to ask what the other Dem Senators running for President would say about this. We now have Obama's answer. What will the third Senator say?

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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 06:23 PM
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1. It is going to be interesting how Hillary votes, since this is Shumers guy /nt
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 06:23 PM
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2. Excellent.
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 06:29 PM
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3. Good to see. nt
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 10:18 PM
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4. Good.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 10:19 PM
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5. Excellent! Biden and Dodd have also said they will not support him. I'm proud
of them all and hope many more senators will be in agreement!
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 10:23 PM
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6. Will Obama even show up to vote, that's the question!
For all the fuzz he made about Hillary's misguided vote on Kyl-Lieberman, the point is that Obama was AWOL on that vote. Biden and Dodd were there, and they voted against it.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 03:06 PM
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7. Hillary is voting against Mukasey but only AFTER her camp found out Obama's position
this is typical Hillary standard move
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 03:09 PM
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8. Do You Have Proof For That ?
And don't give me a "post hoc ergo propter hoc" explanation because that's not proof...



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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 03:10 PM
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9. I'd like to see evidence of that.
I heard about Hillary's position first, but if you have proof that says otherwise you should share it with the rest of us.
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elizm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 04:47 PM
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10. It's at the bottom of the OP
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elizm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 04:52 PM
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11. Here's more proof to back up the proof you asked for...
http://tpmelectioncentral.com/2007/10/hillary_i_will_oppose_mukasey_confirmation_over_torture_comments.php
Hillary: I Will Oppose Mukasey Confirmation Over Torture Comments
By Greg Sargent - October 30, 2007, 1:23PM
It's official: Hillary says she will oppose the confirmation of Michael Mukasey. Here's the key quote from her statement, which was just sent over moments ago:

"When we leave any doubt about our nation’s policy on torture, we send a terrible message to the rest of the world. Judge Mukasey has been given ample opportunity – both at his confirmation hearings and in his subsequent submission to the Judiciary Committee – to clarify his answers and categorically oppose the unacceptable interrogation techniques employed by this Administration. His failure to do so leaves me no choice but to oppose his nomination."


Hillary's statement of opposition to Mukasey comes after Chris Dodd and Barack Obama announced their opposition yesterday and John Edwards announced his today. Her full statement after the jump.

We need an Attorney General who has the strength to challenge this Administration when it is wrong, who is committed to reestablishing the independence of the Department of Justice and to restoring respect for the Constitution and the rule of law. I am deeply troubled by Judge Mukasey’s continued unwillingness to clearly state his views on torture and unchecked Executive power.
The Attorney General is the chief defender of the rule of law in our country. After Alberto Gonzales's troubled tenure, we cannot send a signal that the next Attorney General in any way condones torture or believes that the President is unconstrained by law. When we leave any doubt about our nation’s policy on torture, we send a terrible message to the rest of the world. Judge Mukasey has been given ample opportunity – both at his confirmation hearings and in his subsequent submission to the Judiciary Committee – to clarify his answers and categorically oppose the unacceptable interrogation techniques employed by this Administration. His failure to do so leaves me no choice but to oppose his nomination.

We need to restore the nation’s confidence in the Department of Justice. The Department must once again defend our Constitution and the rule of law without regard to ideology and partisanship. And we need to protect the country from terrorism while also respecting Americans’ civil liberties.


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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 04:54 PM
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13. Thank you for the info.
I should have caught it myself. :freak:
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elizm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 04:55 PM
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14. As always....to anyone WILLING to see. nt
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 05:17 PM
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16. How Is A "Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc " Explanation Proof?
Edited on Tue Oct-30-07 05:17 PM by DemocratSinceBirth
Next you will say that the rooster crowing at the break of dawn makes the sun rise...
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 04:57 PM
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15. Obama didn't criticize Kyle/Lieberman until AFTER it passed
but that's OK
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 06:13 PM
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17. she also waited for Obama to cast his vote on funding before weighing in


Dodd and Biden hammered her on it in a debate.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 04:53 PM
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12. I hope that they all oppose him.
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