Nelson, Hastings, Corrine Brown, other Florida Dems filed amended complaint against DNC

asking the judge to move quickly. Since they had filed the amendment Friday, it slowed the process down.

Florida Dems ask court to move quickly



The DNC spokesperson had this to say in a comment:



Meanwhile Howard Dean was in Michigan this week-end meeting with the Democrats there. They seem far more welcoming to trying to work things out than Florida does.



Bill Nelson took to the podium at the Florida Democratic state convention during the week-end to "blister" the national party and Howard Dean. Using the convention to attack the national party was in very poor taste.

Bill Nelson uses podium to attack national leaders and push his lawsuit



They had buttons which were disrespectful. The state senate minority leader wore one of them on the podium, a map of Florida and Iowa saying Size Does Matter.

Using the state convention to promote disunity

They did a few other things that were strange. They had a man who was the candidate in FL 5 last time "escorted" out of the convention. Here is autorank's post about it.

John Russell escorted out by a former wrestler

John beat the DCCC candidate last time. He is outspoken, and that may be the problem. He pointed out contributions the state party made to the son of Karen Thurman. John got no help from the party, his opponent had been totally supported and was being groomed by the DCCC. I believe John was a delegate, so it just seems too strange to believe.

I had written previously about the county chairwoman of Pasco County refusing to let him attend a county fundraiser.

Florida county chair won't let candidate into county fundraiser...tells him not to run again.

An email shared with me ended with these words from that chairwoman;



I have mentioned here that once we question the party authority, we are not very welcome anymore. I am not sure bridges can be mended after speaking out so much.

Karen needs to stop letting Nelson and the other elected officials control everything. It should be a party in which all Democrats are welcomed.

He ripped Dean a new one the other day, was called by a DNC spokesperson that he had numerous errors in his post...he also did not know the real story of the primary. When he knew, he still took Florida's side completely.

It makes me feel so hopeless inside to read this post of his, and know that all the glowing terms are not seen by many here. I guess it depends on how much it matters to get the truth right about the primary vote and lawsuit. It matters to me. It matters some of us are not really considered welcome if we question.

He has great hopes for Florida. I am glad he feels that way. I don't. I think if I could put aside everything, I could write glowing things as well. But then again, to get real change there must be real questioning and honesty.

His view of the party and its progressives is counter to mine in many ways. I have had too many friends hurt, and fearful to fight again. Sound cowardly? Not in Florida. There is common sense. They have the media on their side, and they can make someone look really bad very easily. Such a shame.



I highlighted the two names because one is the guy who kicked out a progressive candidate who was a delegate. Just kicked him out. The other is the party spokesperson who said in March 2006 that the Florida Democrats were totally on board with the early primary.

I highlighted the other part because I think he is way off base there. I don't see the DNC filing multiple lawsuits against Florida....it is the other way around. The DNC chairman would never wear a button saying screw the party. He is standing up for the smaller states as well with less expensive campaign venues so lesser candidates can have a chance.

Hubby and I are going to get with some old DFA friends and work on our attitudes some. Maybe someday there will be room for us in the party here again.

minority with as much vigor. Perhaps Christine Jennings would have been seated in Washington.

I am disgusted with them.

What's your real motive here?

from rumors going around here

I am not good at searching legal documents. I know it is called Nelson V Dean, and filed in the Tallassee court. I have heard that most of the congressional Democrats from Florida signed on. That would include Wasserman Schultz as well as the aforementioned in the OP.

There were two lawsuits so far, and I just read that Steve Geller really is going to sue the first four states!! He is said to be preparing the lawsuit now. Will have to find that article again.

The first one, which lost on October 5, has been appealed to the 11th circuit. That one is DiMaio v Democratic National Committee, middle district. Dimaio has said he will continue to pursue it right on.

The second one, filed by U.S. Senator Bill Nelson, still doesn’t have a hearing date in the U.S. District Court, northern district. It is called Nelson v Dean.

I really would like to know who is signed on.

I would be happy to send you the complaint if you provide some email to send it to you.

Because I have been hearing they did. Like Wasserman Schultz, and others. Maybe they would not be called plaintiffs. But Brown is listed in the op as being part of it.

Could you PM it instead of email?

Signing off tonight, will check tomorrow.

Thanks.

I don't know how to attach a file to the PM unless I am missing something.

I know all of Florida's leaders are supporting it, are gung ho for it, and they don't even bother to tell the truth.

Thanks for checking it out.

This is the article about Dean in Michigan last week-end.

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071029/POLITICS/710290341

This is why our party is losing--inability or lack of courage to focus and fight for and work on the IMPORTANT things.

:shrug:

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http://blogs.tampabay.com/buzz/2007/10/dnc-dean-respon.html

"Hastings, of Miramar, and Nelson sued the DNC and Chairman Howard Dean on grounds that making Florida's primary moot was unconstitutional, because it would disenfranchise voters, including many minorities.

In the response, filed Tuesday in federal court in Tallahassee, the DNC says that's ridiculous. Federal judges have long given the national parties leeway to operate as they see fit. And even if the primary is conducted by the state, the party still has the power to decide whether or not to seat the delegates at this summer's national convention in Denver, the DNC claims.

The response also says Florida Democrats shouldn't have gone along so readily when the Legislature moved the primary, and that they erred in rejecting suggestions for getting legal, including choosing delegates through a ballot-by-mail election and holding statewide caucuses."

A Ballot by Mail is projected to cost about $8,000,00. The DNC has offered only $880K to fund alternatives.

While I am all for the mutiny and, hopefully, destruction of our current select favored states primary, the delegates are meaningless when it comes to influencing the race. The influence comes from position and the media reporting the results.

We had delegates in 2004 but only had Kerry to pick from. In effect, this is a MUCH better deal this election cycle without delegates than we had last time with delegates.

I feel bad when people are so on board with the deliberate actions on Florida's part because it is politically expedient for the leading candidate.

It is like a big joke to some people here. Anything to win.

Screw the rules, screw the people who really do care about issues.

Screw them.