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Czolgosz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 09:32 AM Original message |
We passed on a great labor candidate (Gephardt) and a new hopeful (Dean) to pick a Yankee Senator |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 09:33 AM Response to Original message |
1. So your suggestion is Dean or Gephardt would have won? |
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Tejanocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 10:22 AM Response to Reply #1 |
16. It's hard to say. Dean was bringing enthusiastic new participants to the process (like Obama does) |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 10:35 AM Response to Reply #16 |
20. Kerry got more votes than any Democratic candidate in history.. |
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Tejanocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 11:17 AM Response to Reply #20 |
22. Kerry has served the last four years in the Senate instead of the White House. |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 11:28 AM Response to Reply #22 |
24. which doesn't mean Dean or Gephardt would have won, and the numbers Kerry got... |
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Tejanocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 11:33 AM Response to Reply #24 |
26. Well, we know where the Kerry nomination got him (the Senate); whether candidates standing for labor |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 12:29 PM Response to Reply #26 |
32. yes, but you're essentially claiming that candidates the Dems rejected would have done better... |
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Tejanocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 02:19 PM Response to Reply #32 |
39. No. If you look up thread, I said that "it's hard to say." Plus, I don't "like them better" because, |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 01:17 PM Response to Reply #22 |
34. Kerry had an extraordinary number of new participants |
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slick8790 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 02:02 PM Response to Reply #20 |
37. To be fair, Bush also got the most votes for any candidate ever. |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 05:00 PM Response to Reply #37 |
48. completely beside the point |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 12:49 PM Response to Reply #16 |
33. Changing the Democratic candidate would not have |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 09:34 AM Response to Original message |
2. Kerry did not lose. The 2004 election was stolen. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 09:41 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. And 2008 will be stolen too |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 10:18 AM Response to Reply #3 |
14. Didn't you also predict that 2006 would be stolen? |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 09:43 AM Response to Reply #2 |
6. no, Kerry lost. He was a terrible candidate. However, in 2000, the election was stolen |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 09:49 AM Response to Reply #6 |
8. I agree with you about both Dean and Gephardt, but disagree about 2004. |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 09:54 AM Response to Reply #8 |
10. The point I was making is that Kerry was, should have been well aware of what was happening |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 09:57 AM Response to Reply #10 |
11. I agree on all points. |
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PATRICK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 10:27 AM Response to Reply #8 |
19. I was going to disagree too but |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 02:07 PM Response to Reply #19 |
38. My wording was not good. Sure there was election fraud |
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PATRICK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 09:09 AM Response to Reply #38 |
49. Damn right |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 10:35 AM Response to Reply #6 |
21. They stole 2004 too |
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2rth2pwr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 11:53 AM Response to Reply #6 |
29. "Someone got to the media.." |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 01:39 PM Response to Reply #6 |
35. He had lawyers and they stopped many things |
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Tejanocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 10:25 AM Response to Reply #2 |
18. It would be harder to steal an election where the candidate is competitive in all 50 states instead |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 09:41 AM Response to Original message |
4. I really like Dean... |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 09:49 AM Response to Reply #4 |
9. Someone screwed Dean, most likely he would have been the nominee |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 01:42 PM Response to Reply #9 |
36. He got only 18% before the scream, Kerry got 38% |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 09:42 AM Response to Original message |
5. Oooh, is bashing Kerry supposed to help Edwards or Obama? |
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Adelante (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 10:24 AM Response to Reply #5 |
17. It's Edwards |
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Stop Cornyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 11:42 AM Response to Reply #5 |
28. Which part is bashing Kerry: calling him a Yankee, a calling him a Senator, or saying that he lost? |
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Virginia Dare (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 09:46 AM Response to Original message |
7. I could NOT support Gephardt after his support of the IWR... |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 10:15 AM Response to Original message |
12. What's your point? |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 10:18 AM Original message |
I'm Not A Big Fan Of Counterfactual History |
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cobalt1999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 10:18 AM Response to Original message |
13. I've learned from 2004. |
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NoPasaran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 10:22 AM Response to Original message |
15. Resolved: We should not nominate Chris Dodd |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 11:55 AM Response to Reply #15 |
30. And New Englanders who use the term "Dolt Belt" are |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 11:25 AM Response to Original message |
23. Pssst.... Dean is a Yankee, too. |
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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 11:31 AM Response to Original message |
25. Labor power is in decline |
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Mass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 11:37 AM Response to Original message |
27. Dean is a Yankee as well. At least for him, your point is void. |
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cascadiance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 12:07 PM Response to Original message |
31. Yes, avoid BOTH Gephardt and Obama who are in the pockets of the coal industry... |
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Little Star (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 02:56 PM Response to Original message |
40. Excuse me ! But, the Yankee comment was bull Shit! |
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Stop Cornyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 03:07 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. When did "Yankee" become a slur? |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 03:08 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. It certainly is framed as a negative in this OP, don't you agree? |
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Stop Cornyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 03:18 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. I read it as a geographical frame, but what do I know? I'm just a New Yorker living in Texas. |
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cobalt1999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 03:11 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. Well here in the south it's been a slur since oh about 1861 |
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Stop Cornyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 03:23 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. Call someone from theSouth a Yankee and it's an insult. Call a Texan an "Okie" and he'll punch you. |
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Czolgosz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 09:54 AM Response to Reply #40 |
50. FYI, I'm a Yankee. It is not an insult, but the fact that you think it is an insult is part of why |
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IronLionZion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 03:31 PM Response to Original message |
46. So we should encourage the Repubs to choose Giuliani and Romney |
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Alexander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 03:35 PM Response to Original message |
47. Gephardt never even won a statewide election... |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 02:15 PM Response to Original message |
51. Wow, that's all you know about Kerry? That he's from New England? |
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