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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 02:00 PM
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Edwards has "chosen" public financing which he considers to be an earmark against hypocrisy
Edited on Tue Oct-30-07 02:11 PM by jenmito
An embed for the Edwards' campaign just said he'll differentiate himself from Hillary by saying not only has he refused lobbyists' money but he's also CHOSEN public financing which differs from Hillary. Now many of you know I'm no fan of Hillary, but for Edwards to call it hypocritical of her to not take public funding is ridiculous. Edwards, earlier, said he'd have to opt out of public funding to remain competitive. It was only when he failed to raise comparable amounts of money that he "chose" public funding as a MORAL decision. That's just false.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 02:01 PM
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1. Did the embed say lobbyist money? Because Edwards has taken plenty of corporate dough.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 02:05 PM
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4. Could've been. Let me try to go back and see...
Edited on Tue Oct-30-07 02:13 PM by jenmito
OK, I edited it to lobbyists' money. I couldn't find it but it's the same thing he's been saying, so it must've been lobbyists' money.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 02:03 PM
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2. Edwards not only flip-flopped, but his
challenge to Clinton and Obama was fraudulent--they had already spent so much money that they were ineligible for public financing.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 02:06 PM
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5. Exactly.
He's so phony.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 02:04 PM
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3. I need a primer on public financing.
1. Is an either/or choice - opt for public financing OR .....
2. If not, why don't they all take public financing AND other sources of support?
3. And, does public financing preclude taking corporate donations?

Thanks for any enlightenment.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 02:09 PM
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6. The trade-off for public financing is spending limits.
$44 Million plus some allowances for accounting and legal and fundraising activities.

Obama and Clinton had spend $40M+ at the end of the third quarter, so they were ineligible to go on public financing, even if they lost their damn minds and wanted to go that route.

Edwards has spent $18 Million or so, and has to make the other $25 Million last until August 2008.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 02:38 PM
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21. Thank you! nt
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 02:38 PM
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22. Thank you! nt
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 02:09 PM
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7. i think it's a reasonable way to distinguish himself -- taking a stand against corporate money.
would like to see more of that.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 02:15 PM
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8. IIt was lobbyists' money. But the fact is he said earlier he would NOT take public funding
but now he HAS to and he's framing it as an "ethical" decision.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 02:30 PM
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16. better late than never.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 02:41 PM
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23. Do you believe it was for moral reasons...
and if he HAD raised as much as Hillary and Obama, he STILL would've taken matching funds?
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 03:55 PM
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26. he's running a stalking horse campaign and running it well or else no one would take offense.
:evilgrin:
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 02:15 PM
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9. And the Edwards "Forget About What I Did or Said Before 2007" Tour continues...
Edited on Tue Oct-30-07 02:15 PM by SaveElmer
He doesn't even try to hide it!!!
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 02:18 PM
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10. Yup...
but I think he thinks people won't remember.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 02:28 PM
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15. He was "For" not taking Public Financing IN 2007.......
so it's more like the "forget about what I did and said before last month" tour!
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 02:19 PM
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11. I agree... he is wrong to
pretend to be holier than thou on this issue. He knows DAMN WELL he would have gone private if only people donated to him.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 02:33 PM
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18. That's why so many people see him as a phony.
If it walks like a phony and talks like a phony...
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 02:21 PM
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12. This is kind of like the 300-pound woman who 'chooses' to be celibate
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 02:28 PM
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14. lol nt
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 02:27 PM
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13. Did you see this one, Jen?
I laughed my ass off :rofl:

* Campaigning in New Hampshire yesterday, John Edwards suggested Hillary Clinton is mostly running for president out of personal ambition. “She said it, didn’t she?” Edwards said. “Wasn’t her phrase early on in her campaign, ‘I’m in it to win?”‘ (Isn’t every presidential candidate motivated in part by personal ambition?)

http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/13413.html
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 02:34 PM
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19. No! Thanks for sharing it...
:rofl: He's something else. No wonder he keeps slipping...
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 02:32 PM
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17. Edwards hypocritical? How dare you!
H o w D a r e Y o u !
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 02:42 PM
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24. ...
I LOVE Spongebob Squarepants! :rofl:
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Stop Cornyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 02:36 PM
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20. I thought that, historically, Edwards had raised more money at this stage than anyone but Bush '04,
Hillary '08, and Obama '08. Isn't that correct?

In terms of cash on hand, Edwards has more money than Richardson, Dodd, Kucinich, Biden, and Gravel added together, and he has more than Guiliani, Thompson, Romney, Huckabee, Paul, and whatever right-wing nutjobs are still in the race.

If he has that much cash on hand, surely Edwards' decision to opt for matching funds was a choice and not the only option available to him.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 02:45 PM
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25. At this stage in '04, Obama and Hillary weren't running...and earlier he said
he would NOT take matching funds in order to be competitive. He ONLY did this because he hadn't raised nearly as much money as he had hoped.
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