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Superman Returns (804 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 11:13 PM Original message |
Am I the only Democrat against licenses for illegals? |
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TheFarseer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 11:15 PM Response to Original message |
1. I'm against that too |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 11:17 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. What do licenses have to do with them not coming here? They ain't crossing |
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More Than A Feeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 11:18 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. It's to enjoy our modern telephone system! |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 11:21 PM Response to Reply #6 |
10. Yep--and don't forget that the United States Postal Service can |
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TheFarseer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 11:23 PM Response to Reply #5 |
14. it's all part of the whole package |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 11:27 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. I agree with stepping up border enforcement and cracking down |
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TheFarseer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 11:36 PM Response to Reply #17 |
24. I was just reading. . . . . . . |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 11:51 PM Response to Reply #24 |
30. I don't think it will exacerbate the problem-- |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 01:01 AM Response to Reply #17 |
47. That's the crux of it. |
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DCKit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 02:32 AM Response to Reply #47 |
70. OK, say that's a start. Now how do you force them to buy insurance? |
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MGKrebs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 06:46 AM Response to Reply #70 |
76. That has nothing to do with the issue at hand, but... |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 11:23 PM Response to Reply #1 |
12. With all due respect, some of us live in states with a lot of undocumented immigrants |
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TheFarseer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 11:30 PM Response to Reply #12 |
21. Plenty of people have a license and no insurance |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 11:33 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. True, but if they have no license there's no chance they can be insured |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 12:52 PM Response to Reply #23 |
115. My views coincide with yours |
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Capn Sunshine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 01:22 AM Response to Reply #12 |
53. since they are here , wouldn't licensing help with a myriad of problems? |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 09:30 AM Response to Reply #53 |
85. If immigration laws are "unenforceable", I don't see how driver's licenses will help... |
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magnolia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 09:25 AM Response to Reply #1 |
131. I agree.... |
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More Than A Feeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 11:15 PM Response to Original message |
2. How is licensing not like giving them healthcare? |
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Maat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 11:19 PM Response to Reply #2 |
8. Me, too. |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 09:37 AM Response to Reply #2 |
132. Licensing illegal immigrants won't reduce the proportion of dangerous drivers. |
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gateley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 11:16 PM Response to Original message |
3. I hope you got a chance to see Matthews interview Biden after the debate - |
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Superman Returns (804 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 11:18 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. yes I did |
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gateley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 11:29 PM Response to Reply #7 |
19. I'm glad you did. If you're looking more closely at Biden and Dodd, I think |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 11:17 PM Response to Original message |
4. It's causing a controversy here in NYS. I would like to see everyone driving a car |
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silverweb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 11:19 PM Response to Original message |
9. I really don't understand how it would work. |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 11:22 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. Consider it a way to document them...INS can sure use that info, couldn't they? |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 09:16 AM Response to Reply #11 |
128. no |
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Purveyor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 11:23 PM Response to Original message |
13. It is a 'loose-loose' issue. Scant few of the voting public will endorse 'illegal's entitled to a |
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spag68 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 11:24 PM Response to Original message |
15. Social security card |
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Enrique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 11:26 PM Response to Original message |
16. I didn't care until Hillary took a position |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 11:29 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. She took a position? |
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calteacherguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 12:58 AM Response to Reply #16 |
46. What position? nt |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 09:07 AM Response to Reply #16 |
127. You sure about that.......... |
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enough already (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 09:23 AM Response to Reply #16 |
129. She took several positions on the issue |
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DURHAM D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 11:29 PM Response to Original message |
20. Dodd's "privilege" comment was just stupid. |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 11:41 PM Response to Reply #20 |
25. It's also understanding of traffic laws and insurance |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 11:45 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. Connecticut - insurance capital? |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 11:57 PM Response to Reply #27 |
32. Many of them already do have insurance |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 12:11 AM Response to Reply #32 |
34. What state is that? |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 12:17 AM Response to Reply #34 |
36. Arizona. Don't ask me how they do it but they do. |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 01:09 AM Response to Reply #34 |
50. How would you prove citizenship? |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 01:16 AM Response to Reply #50 |
51. I need 3 forms of ID |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 01:29 AM Response to Reply #51 |
55. As I remember it, I used my passport and SS card. Maybe my |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 01:34 AM Response to Reply #55 |
57. You have to be legal to get a SS card |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 09:39 AM Response to Reply #50 |
92. Um...a birth certificate maybe? |
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troubleinwinter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 01:05 AM Response to Reply #32 |
49. I think you are quite correct. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 01:21 AM Response to Reply #49 |
52. And legal residence |
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troubleinwinter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 02:15 AM Response to Reply #52 |
67. I have never heard of that. |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 02:21 AM Response to Reply #67 |
68. its not hard to find |
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Superman Returns (804 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 11:42 PM Response to Reply #20 |
26. this has nothing to do with race |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 09:37 AM Response to Reply #26 |
90. A DL is NOT a "citizen privilige" |
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longjohnsilver (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 01:20 PM Response to Reply #90 |
119. people on visas |
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themaguffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 11:47 PM Response to Reply #20 |
28. it's stupid? do you have the RIGHT to drive? |
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longjohnsilver (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 12:59 PM Response to Reply #20 |
116. winning issue? |
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Blaze Diem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 11:31 PM Response to Original message |
22. Not at all alone on this subject.. Massive voter fraud set up is |
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neoteric lefty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 11:54 PM Response to Reply #22 |
31. wow, I think that post was a boot to the head of everyone here |
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Blaze Diem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 12:10 AM Response to Reply #31 |
33. Well you don't speak for me. You post is so full of typical poor illrgal b.s. |
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neoteric lefty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 12:34 AM Response to Reply #33 |
39. Ah well, I guess another shower is do for me after this... |
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Superman Returns (804 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 12:53 AM Response to Reply #39 |
43. I agree |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 09:41 AM Response to Reply #43 |
93. Nothing wrong about it at all |
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longjohnsilver (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 01:14 PM Response to Reply #31 |
117. economic impact of illegals |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 09:24 AM Response to Reply #31 |
130. illlegal immigrants are a boot in the head |
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libodem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 11:51 PM Response to Original message |
29. yep, i hope so |
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Sukie1941 (463 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 12:15 AM Response to Original message |
35. Give them a license to go back where they came from |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 12:21 AM Response to Original message |
37. I think we ought to license all visitors. And I think the licenses oughta look DIFFERENT from the |
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Blaze Diem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 12:48 AM Response to Reply #37 |
41. I agree with your idea. AND it would identify all illegals who |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 01:18 PM Response to Reply #41 |
118. When I lived in Italy, I had to get a 'patente'--and IIRC, when I lived in Japan, I had |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 12:28 AM Response to Original message |
38. Hopefully |
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Eurobabe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 12:37 AM Response to Original message |
40. No |
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lvx35 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 12:51 AM Response to Original message |
42. No. The corporate elite want to decrease the power of our Nation State. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 12:56 AM Response to Original message |
44. Nope, I think we are the silent majority. |
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calteacherguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 12:57 AM Response to Original message |
45. At first I was against it, but Obama gave a concise and reasonable reason for it. |
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BrightKnight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 01:01 AM Response to Original message |
48. Legalize and regulate it. - n/t |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 01:26 AM Response to Original message |
54. I sense that she felt Spitzer needed a little help |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 01:30 AM Response to Original message |
56. "Illegals"? Certainly you're not referring to human beings? |
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Superman Returns (804 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 01:34 AM Response to Reply #56 |
58. I never said they weren't |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 01:37 AM Response to Reply #58 |
59. But reducing them to one word: "Illegal". An action can be illegal. A human being can't be. |
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Superman Returns (804 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 01:38 AM Response to Reply #59 |
60. well I apologize |
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Major Hogwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 02:13 AM Response to Reply #59 |
66. That's what they are called out here. |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 02:22 AM Response to Reply #66 |
69. "Cry me a river about their humanity." - shame on you. |
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CyberPieHole (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 02:35 AM Response to Reply #69 |
71. Bluebear, you always seem to be spot-on on civil rights issues... |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 02:38 AM Response to Reply #71 |
72. Thank you CPH |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 09:19 AM Response to Reply #66 |
82. The one who comes over... |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 10:23 PM Response to Reply #82 |
123. Gloriously progressive thought here sometimes, eh? |
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bunkerbuster1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 09:41 AM Response to Reply #66 |
94. and they call the darker ones "Niggers" out there? |
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shenmue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 07:30 AM Response to Reply #59 |
78. They are being called that because they broke the immigration law. |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 09:02 AM Response to Reply #78 |
80. Per your sig line, you certainly aren't nice. |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 09:21 AM Response to Reply #78 |
83. Much like ALL speeders are called Illegal Drivers... |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 09:38 AM Response to Reply #59 |
91. Those human beings are most definitely 'illegal'. |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 10:20 AM Response to Reply #91 |
98. The concept that isn't too hard to catch is this one: |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 10:51 AM Response to Reply #98 |
104. According to the laws currently on the books your assertion is wrong.. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 10:19 PM Response to Reply #104 |
122. Deleted message |
LibDemAlways (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 01:40 AM Response to Original message |
61. Not having a license doesn't mean an undocumented |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 01:43 AM Response to Original message |
62. Bookmarked. I am for licenses for illegals despite what you say. |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 01:56 AM Response to Original message |
63. Bush's victory in 2004 was partly due to carrying a larger than usual percentage of Hispanics |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 02:06 AM Response to Original message |
64. Proving they know how to drive is a bad thing how?Giving the cops some documentation is a bad thing? |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 09:31 AM Response to Reply #64 |
86. Fake name; made up address. Identity theft is part and parcel of illegal immigration. |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 11:28 AM Response to Reply #86 |
111. Not so easy to fake passing the written and driving part of the DL test... |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 10:28 PM Response to Reply #86 |
124. If you use false documents at the DMV, you can AND will go to jail |
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Major Hogwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 02:12 AM Response to Original message |
65. No, it's a stupid idea. |
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obamian (282 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 03:02 AM Response to Original message |
73. Hillary did not say it should be done |
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RufusTFirefly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 04:43 AM Response to Original message |
74. Perhaps those "illegals" come here in search of nouns? n/t |
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liberal hypnotist (391 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 05:34 AM Response to Original message |
75. I don't want to seem simplistic, but... |
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shenmue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 07:28 AM Response to Original message |
77. No, you're not. |
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vssmith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 07:44 AM Response to Original message |
79. What is it about the word ILLEGAL that people do not understand |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 09:24 AM Response to Reply #79 |
84. And yet on DU |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 09:35 AM Response to Reply #84 |
88. So let's all just follow whatever law we feel like! |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 10:12 AM Response to Reply #88 |
96. Don't the native-born con-men already have fake ID's? |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 10:22 AM Response to Reply #96 |
99. They don't have these "no doc" fake IDs issued by the State of NY. Yet. |
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vssmith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 09:35 AM Response to Reply #84 |
89. I support legalizing mj also |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 10:13 AM Response to Reply #89 |
97. it's not an argument |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 10:26 AM Response to Reply #97 |
100. I agree. People get away with jaywalking. How DARE we prosecute murderers? |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 11:38 AM Response to Reply #100 |
113. Illegal walkers. Guess I need to add that to my lexicon. |
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illinoisprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 09:10 AM Response to Original message |
81. no. Dodd and Biden are against it. I think alot of dems are. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 09:33 AM Response to Original message |
87. You're not alone. This is the worst kind of pandering. |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 09:59 AM Response to Reply #87 |
95. So many logical fallacies, so little time |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 10:31 AM Response to Reply #95 |
101. People seem to be driving w/o licenses, registration, or insurance NOW. |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 10:40 AM Response to Reply #101 |
102. You just changed your argument, You won't defend your argument |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 10:52 AM Response to Reply #102 |
105. "they need insurance to register the car..." But there is nothing forcing them to register the car. |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 10:56 AM Response to Reply #105 |
106. You need license plates to drive around |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 11:08 AM Response to Reply #106 |
107. Per Eliot Spitzer, millions of illegal immigrants are managing to drive without any of those |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 11:12 AM Response to Reply #107 |
109. I haven't heard him say that, |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 11:22 AM Response to Reply #109 |
110. Well then I'd like to put the extra effort into enforcing the existing law |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 11:34 AM Response to Reply #110 |
112. More fallacies |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 01:26 PM Response to Reply #112 |
120. Just FYI: a "fallacy" is a mistaken belief. Opinions and predictions can't be "fallacies". |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 05:07 PM Response to Reply #120 |
121. I'm referring to logical fallacies |
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PollM (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 10:48 AM Response to Original message |
103. Democratic Debate in Philadelphia - Who was least honest |
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jzodda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 11:11 AM Response to Original message |
108. Maybe you never got into a car accident with one |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 11:40 AM Response to Original message |
114. I doubt you're the only one. |
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conservdem (880 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 08:11 AM Response to Original message |
125. You are far from the only Dem against them. You're in the majority |
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ginchinchili (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 08:51 AM Response to Original message |
126. No, you're not. A lot of us feel that way. |
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JohnnyBoots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 10:48 AM Response to Original message |
133. I agree with you. Driving is a privillege. They broke the law to get here, that should not equal an |
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