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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 01:39 PM
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Poll question: Halloween DUs Straw Poll
And no, Kucinich and Gravel are NOT part of this poll. Let's be realistic and stick with the top 6.
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dbackjon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 01:41 PM
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1. No DK, no vote...
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 01:43 PM
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2. Ok. I understand. However, I'm trying to reflect
the actual reality of the race. Neither DK or Gravel have a chance to win this. At all.
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 01:51 PM
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12. Because the BS polling companies tell you they have no chance???
Sorry, but I too consider DK a contender.
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dbackjon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 02:47 PM
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28. The reality of the race is that MSM has it locked for Hillary
Maybe if MSM got a clue how popular DK is with the rank-and-file, they might start treating him more seriously.

If we marginalize him here, why shouldn't the MSM?


And if the OTHER candidates realize how popular DK's views are with the rank-and-file, then that might give them a clue as well.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 03:44 PM
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39. OK - then why have a poll?
None of the Dems will take the presidency this year anyway.

Geesch.
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 01:45 PM
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3. Umm, I think you don't really understand the concept of a "straw poll"
It's not who you *think will win*, it's who you *want to win*. Excluding Kucinich helps.. how?
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ChavezSpeakstheTruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 02:23 PM
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23. exactly
:thumbsup:
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rawtribe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 01:45 PM
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4. Same here NO DK NO Vote.


:mad:


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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 01:46 PM
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6. He knows that people who normally vote for Kucinich will vote for Edwards or Obama
Not Hillary, therefore making it look like more people on DU support Obama than Hillary.
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mohc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 01:50 PM
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11. And more to the point
Arguments can be made at this point for further narrowing. Hell, its not all that unreasonable to go as far as having a poll with Clinton only if you are going to base things purely on current polling. Anything more than limiting it to declared candidates at this point defeats the purpose of a straw poll.
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 02:22 PM
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20. That is quite an assumption
he is making. Not me and I know many who say the same.

No Kucinich, no vote.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 02:29 PM
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25. I'm a Biden supporter (hard core) but Dennis is my number 2 as odd as that
seems. Maybe some Kucinich supporters feel the same way about a candidate other than Obama or Edwards...
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GreenArrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 03:15 PM
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31. normally, if I couldn't vote for Kucinich
I'd vote for Gravel, so I'm double fucked. But I'd vote for either Obama or Hillary before I'd vote for Edwards.
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 03:27 PM
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33. Not working out
as planned so far. LOL
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 01:46 PM
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5. Go Edwards! n/t
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 01:47 PM
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7. Dennis is a DU favorite, I know.
I understand if you refuse to vote.
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 01:47 PM
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8. Obama has as much chance as Kucinich in getting the nomination...
No Dennis Kucinich or Mike Gravel...no vote. Why segregate Kucinich and Gravel?
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 01:49 PM
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9. Because he's hoping some of the Kucinich voters will vote for Obama
If Kucinich is not included. He knows that almost no Kucinich voters would switch their vote for Hillary. Pretty dishonest, IMO.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 01:51 PM
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13. Kucinich and Gravel are marginal candidates like it or not.
Barack Obama is second on every damn poll and has about $80 million+ to compete.
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 01:55 PM
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14. NO. You have CHOSEN to marginalize them....
that's something else altogether. Besides, what does his war chest have to do with a "straw poll" on DU? Kucinich and Gravel are both honorable men (as is Barack Obama and every other Democratic candidate). Why not just include both of them on your Halloween Poll and let the chips fall where they may?:shrug:
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 02:08 PM
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16. I didn't chose to do that
Had their poll numbers been at least a bit higher... if at least any of them had a chance at least in Iowa or NH... then I would include them.

Nothing against them. Just the way it is.
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 02:23 PM
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21. If "poll numbers" are what you base your "straw poll" on...
Why not just have it be with Clinton, Obama and Edwards? Why not just marginalize the rest of them? Or would that be a bit TOO obvious? I keep reading posts from DUers who write that "polls don't mean anything", "the only poll that matters is the one taken on election day", "no one polled me", "the MSM is manipulating the poll numbers" etc. so why marginalize candidates who are clearly in the running based on "poll numbers"? What purpose does it serve? Or is the answer to that question all TOO obvious?
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 01:50 PM
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10. Go Biden!
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 06:24 PM
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55. Biden, Dodd, Edwards, and Kucinich did well in the debate
Richardson looked like he was running for Hillary's Secretary of State, and Obama hit an infield fly ball on a softball thrown by Brian Williams that he should have hit out of the park.

Hillary screwed up badly in the debate.

BTW, I am a Bidenite, and our guy is now polling into double digits.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 02:00 PM
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15. Edwards has been on top of all polls like this at DU for a while now.
DU must know best.
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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 02:16 PM
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18. I'm voting for DK in this straw poll.
You forgot to include him, Katzenkavalier.

Just a heads-up.
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Basileus Basileon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 02:09 PM
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17. Look, I don't support DK or Gravel, but they need to be on here.
Primaries are the one place where protest votes are appropriate.
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 02:18 PM
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19. Dennis is in the top 6, but I am curious of the results anyway w'out him (n/t)
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ChavezSpeakstheTruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 02:23 PM
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22. Since i'm voting Kucinich in the primary I won't be voting in this poll
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 02:26 PM
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24. Thanks for including Biden! There was a time he wasn't showing up on many polls! nt
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Hawkowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 02:31 PM
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26. Biased
If you are going to include Dodd, Biden and Richardson you need to include Kucinich. He outpolls most of the others in some legitimate polls. I understand your fervor for Obama, I was a supporter of Jesse Jackson in 1984, but try not to let it cloud your objectivity. If Obama finishes third or less, he will in all likelihood, drop out of the race and some of the others will surge ahead.
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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 04:10 PM
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42. Ding!
Exactly. :)
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DutchLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 02:42 PM
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27. I thought DU was supposed to be *different* from the MSM?
Excluding certain candidates is usually what corporate media polls do. Why do this on DU?
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penguin7 Donating Member (962 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 03:11 PM
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29. I am not so sure about Obama's chances either
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Tektonik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 03:13 PM
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30. Not voting
You put Dodd and Richardson but not Kucinich. Shame on you.
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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 03:20 PM
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32. absolutely crap
Kucinich won the DU 10/26/07 straw poll. This is crap.
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FtWayneBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 03:38 PM
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34. I am voting for Kootch. eom.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 03:39 PM
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35. No DK, no vote.
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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 03:41 PM
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36. Would have voted for Kucinich but since your poll is biased, no vote.
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 03:42 PM
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37. You're missing my choice. You have no other option. Your poll sucks. nt
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 03:43 PM
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38. Can I throw up now?
:puke:

John Edwards? I guess his Senate career means NOTHING.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 03:52 PM
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40. No DK, no vote.
The DU straw poll of all elected candidates with the most responses I've ever seen on DU, more than 1,000, has Obama showing a lackluster 10%, in 4th place. Dennis Kucinich in first place, carrying more than 3 times Obama's votes.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3649440

I can see why you might want to leave DK out. Probably the same reason that DK fielded a UFO question last night, but Obama didn't have to field a McClurkin question.

If you want a realistic poll of where DU stands on the candidates, though, you won't exclude any, especially a DU front-runner.

Push polls are corrupt.
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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 04:00 PM
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41. No DK, No vote
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 04:11 PM
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43. No DK, no vote
:mad:
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Bethany Rockafella Donating Member (916 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 04:20 PM
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44. You could have added "Other"
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 04:34 PM
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45. Let's be realistic and admit this is a biased BS poll
:puke:
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 05:04 PM
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46. No DK no vote
And I'm a Hillary supporter.
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swimboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 05:06 PM
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47. If Dennis Kucinich were in your poll, I would cast a vote.
I'm trying to put this in a positive light.
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Steepler0t Donating Member (348 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 05:48 PM
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48. No DK?
Not interested.
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Chovexani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 05:51 PM
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49. Well if you want to make this about "reality"
Why don't you just have Clinton and Obama as the only options. Edwards has as much chance as Kooch, after all. :eyes:
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 05:55 PM
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50. Katz!
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 05:57 PM
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51. Well, since you're makin' the rules 'n all
Al Gore
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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 06:04 PM
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52. Yes, let's talk "reality." In reality, your candidate has shown his lack of experience
Edited on Wed Oct-31-07 06:05 PM by Harvey Korman
and principles, and has little chance of locking up the nom, at least not this time around.

No DK, no vote.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 06:04 PM
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53. In this poll...
Kucinich!
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surfermaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 06:11 PM
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54. The three top are
Edwards, Biden are my first choice and the two that can take red states.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 07:10 PM
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56. Time for an end of the month all candidate DU poll-with hundreds of voters eom
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MichDem10 Donating Member (644 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 08:13 PM
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57. Edwards 2008
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goddess40 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 08:16 PM
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58. No DK - no vote
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antiimperialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 08:16 PM
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59. Kucinich should have been included
If Dodd is included, Kucinich, who is top-tier in DU (and this is a DU straw poll) should be included.
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