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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 02:51 PM
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Angry Edwards campaign continues to throw mud at Clinton and Obama
http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2007/10/memo_wars_edwards_campaign_on.php#comments

What a classy crowd.

And there's a dig at Barack Obama on the next page:

"The rest of the contenders? Well, let’s just say that even the best hype machines can’t disguise a real featherweight."


So angry and so bitter. I wonder how that will play in Iowa.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 02:52 PM
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1. He's one to talk about being a featherweight.
Oh, brother!

:eyes:
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 02:53 PM
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2. Not Very Well, Sir
The primary electorate of our Party will not reward assaults on other Democratic candidates.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 02:55 PM
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3. It's one thing to draw distinctions.
Another to smear and call names.

Citizen Edwards is definitely running like this is his last race--because it almost certainly is.
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DefenseLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 02:59 PM
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8. I'm just a caveman
but which part of that is name-calling?
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 03:01 PM
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10. "Featherweight." n/t
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DefenseLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 03:04 PM
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14. Wow
if that's as "low" as it goes, I think the electorate is in pretty good shape. By the way, all the campaigns put these kind of spin memos every day, as you probably know.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 03:06 PM
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17. Well, let's just say that there's more than a tinge
of you-know-what for a white man with far lesser intellectual credentials to be referring to a black man as a 'featherweight.'
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DefenseLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 03:17 PM
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24. I'm certainly wouldn't read that into it
I tend to think that it is a reference to a lack of experience or a lack of gravitas, not a lack of intellect. I am not an Edwards guy, and I have no beef with Obama, but I don't think you can call every tussle in the campaign to be a racial slur.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 03:19 PM
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25. Lack of gravitas?
To be blunt, I doubt that a white man with Obama's professional and academic accomplishments would be called an 'empty suit' or 'featherweight' or 'lacking gravitas.'
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DefenseLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 03:38 PM
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30. Really?
I hear very white John Edwards' detractors refer to him as an empty suit all the time. Several have in this thread, even. Being white certainly didn't keep Dan Quayle, a two term Senator, from being called a featherweight. Now of course Dan was a featherweight by any standard and Obama is no Dan Quayle, but whether to term is appropriate for Obama or not, it is a stretch to call it a racial slur.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 03:41 PM
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31. Were they president of Harvard Law Review,
Constitutional Law Professors at one of the greatest law schools in the world, and authors?
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DefenseLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 03:50 PM
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33. Again
I don't think it was an attack on his intellect. As an aside, no offense to your candidate, but I have known plenty of law review editors, and I can't think of one of them that I would want to be President of the United States. I think the comment is an attempt to paint Obama as inexperienced in politics and not a "heavyweight" in the world of hardball politics, not reset of Al Campanis. You can read into it what you want. It is certainly fair game for you to spin his spin right back at him in an attempt to help your candidate. That's politics.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 02:58 PM
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6. Yes much better to run a whisper campign as another candidate does.Sheesh.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 02:59 PM
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7. Like "electable in Hazzard County' whispering campaigns? n/t
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 02:56 PM
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4. I'd just like to know what the Obama and Clinton campaigns are putting out today
I'm sure they're crowing about their victories as well. The campaign goes on, 24/7 ... is that so surprising?
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 02:57 PM
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5. Calling Senator Obama a 'featherweight' is gutter politics.
There is a certain Youtube video that I almost feel compelled to rebut his point.
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 03:00 PM
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9. What is that referencing? I dont see any quotes from Edwards
just a little snark and a graphic with biased comparsions
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 03:02 PM
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11. Referring to Senator Obama as a 'featherweight'
is a pretty nasty insult.
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 03:04 PM
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I see no quote from Edwards attacking Obama at all
I see a reference to something that is not linked. Where is the original source?
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 03:05 PM
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16. To whom was 'featherweight' a reference? n/t
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 03:06 PM
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18. It's an Edwards campaign memo
probably a creation of Mr. Trippi.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 03:07 PM
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19. Ambinder receives campaign emails/memos all the time and posts them
That is why its is filed under Memo Wars

Here's one from Obama - http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2007/10/memo_wars_obamas_campaign_on_c.php

Here's one from Hillary - http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2007/10/team_clinton_spins_back_a_stro.php
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 11:24 AM
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38. Thanks for the info
I'm not crazy about taking anything at face value. I don't know anything about Ambinder. I need to do my homework. :) Thanks!
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 03:03 PM
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12. Maybe he was talking about himself.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 03:04 PM
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13. He does have nice, feathery hair. n/t
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 03:12 PM
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20. Yes, and that video has been all over the place ... I wonder how?
These are POLITICIANS ... They run negative ads, they use any negative footage to impugn their opponents, no one smear is any WORSE or "out of bounds" than another. Edwards is just fighting back as any of the other would have, especially after having been IGNORED as well as smeared for the better part of the past six months.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 03:13 PM
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21. What Video?
DSB
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 03:14 PM
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22. This one:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=2AE847UXu3Q
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 03:16 PM
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23. I'm assuming it's the "I Feel Pretty" hair-combing clip
That thing has practically gotten more play than Paul Wolfowitz spitting on his comb (from "F9/11").
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 03:29 PM
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28. The Spit Was Gross
DSB
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 03:04 PM
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15. If By Chance Clinton Stumbles I'm Returning To My Initial Support Of Barack Obama
I have to censure myself because I might post something that I will forever regret...
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 03:24 PM
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26.  IDon't support him.
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More Than A Feeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 03:27 PM
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27. Physician, heal thyself. n/t
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quinnox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 03:31 PM
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29. I've lost all respect for Edwards
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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 03:41 PM
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32. The link you gave shows the facts as I saw them. Go Edwards.
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madmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 04:20 PM
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34. I agree, you're reading to much into it, he's talking about "the rest
of the contenders" with an s.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 06:06 PM
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35. It's a clear reference to Obama.
Unless Dodd has a big hype machine behind him.
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madmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 07:15 AM
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36. Sorry, don't see it, Dood does not = the rest of the candidates!
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 09:04 AM
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37. Okay, which of these guys could possibly
have a big hype machine behind them?
Obama
Biden
Dodd
Richardson
Kucinich
Gravel
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