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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 09:53 PM
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New Poll finds Guillianni would win over Hillary but, Lose to Obama
Matthew Borghese - AHN News Writer

Washington, D.C. (AHN) - A new poll finds that the leading Republican candidate would win a razor thin victory over his leading Democratic counterpart, but would lose to the party's second place choice.

A new Quinnipiac University national survey finds that former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani would win against Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY) if the pair faced off today, 45 percent to 43. However, if Giuliani faces Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL), who's running a distant second place in most national polls, he would lose to the senator 43 percent to 42.

According to the poll, Clinton led Giuliani by 3 percent in August, showing the race remains tight, but may have shifted in the Republican's favor.

"Sen. Clinton's success on the campaign trail and the perception that she is unstoppable has made her the prime target for all the other candidates, Republican and Democratic. And the wounds are showing," Quinnipiac University Polling Institute Director Maurice Carroll said. "The Clinton Express has hit a bump. Future polls will show if it's been derailed."

"Very bad news for Republicans; most Americans think President Bush's poor standing in the polls will make it hard for any Republican to be elected President. Even Republicans split 48 - 48 percent on this one. Congress isn't doing so hot in polls either. But most Democrats - and even a majority of Republicans - doubt that will taint their presidential candidate," Carroll said.

http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7009014381
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Not Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 09:55 PM
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1. In an election that takes place in 13 months...
I do think that Clinton has electability issues (so does Obama and Giuliani). But polls at this point are meaningless.
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 10:00 PM
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5. True, but meaningless polls are constantly posted here at DU
so there may as well be a variety of perspectives.
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MGKrebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 06:43 AM
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20. It's only meaningless if you have unrealistic expectations for what the polls can say.
We can see a little trend here that the attacks on Clinton may be having an effect. That is not meaningless. This will probably encourage the other campaigns to keep it up. If the trend is confirmed by further polls, then it's probably a safe bet that the Clinton campaign will try to change the subject by introducing some grand, new policy initiative, or announce a dramatic endorsement or something. If that doesn't work, then they will likely start getting nasty.

That's the meaning I get from that poll.
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daninthemoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 09:56 PM
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2. blah, blah, blah...poll ,poll, poll... I wish we could cast a vote already.
Anyway, I can't imagine ghouliani would beat any of our candidates, and I don't expect him to get the rethug nom.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 09:57 PM
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3. Obama is our best candidate.
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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 10:56 PM
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8. i agree.
he doesn't have the experience but he reminds me of young Jack Kennedy. he represents hope and change.
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 03:54 AM
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15. Yes...
specially if you are a religious bigot.

If you are a member of the GLBT community...or you care about civil rights for EVERYONE, you might want to look elsewhere.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 09:58 PM
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4. This is a national survey. We don't vote that way. nt
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 10:00 PM
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6. What's the margin of error?
These are all VERY close numbers.
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 10:39 PM
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7. Quinnipiac ...ha ha ha ha they are a bunch of crap
how far did you have to look to find a poll that agrees with you. If you go back and look at any of their polls, you see they don't agree with anybody. And when it comes to Hillary any and all the polls they do, have her on the bottom of everything...but then you knew that, or you wouldn't have posted it.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 11:26 PM
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9. I think Obama would beat Ghouliani by 10% in a GE for one reason
The New York City Firefighters would endorse Obama and deflate Rudy of the only thing he has...9/11. Obama would masterfully take him apart and expose him as a fraud.

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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 11:28 PM
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10. I agree.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 11:34 PM
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11. I disagree, zulchzulu. I think the winning Obama percentage would be closer
to 20%.

And possibly higher if Rudy keeps pumping the testosterone into everything he says.

Rudy is a back alley thug and the more exposure he has to voters across different parts of the country, the less impressively he does on subsequent polls, either against Romney/Thompson/Huckabee or Democratic candidates.

Agree with your point on the firefighters and would throw in New Jersey's electoral vote. If Rudy can't whip Sen. Clinton, for example, in New Jersey (she currently leads him there comfortably), he loses that one brick in the wall that holds the entire region in place. I think Democrats would defeat him in his home state and across the Hudson as well, which means he'd have to cobble an electoral victory from some other unlikely set of states to offset NY and NJ.

Not impossible but durn near it.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 11:37 PM
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12. Old, I thought Obama was among your top 3 choices
but I noticed in another thread he is not... may I ask you why, my friend?
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 11:42 PM
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13. I predict Obama/Edwards/Biden in Iowa, with close differentials, and
so close as to finish within the margin of error of each other, no matter the order of finish. The point being that the current national frontrunner's national campaign takes a major hit in the corn fields and pig farms of the Hawkeye State.

Subject to change, here's my ranking for the early days of November, arguably a year out of the national election:

Give me Edwards with an A-plus and Biden with an A. Dodd and Obama with A-minuses. Richardson next with a B-plus (I'm still a bit baffled by his strange public comments sometimes, but remain very impressed with his knowledge and experience).

B's for Gravel and Kucinich.

C- for New York's junior senator.

No Republican candidate scores over a solid 'F'.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 11:44 PM
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14. Thanks- Interesting analysis and excellent rankings.
We have such a great field, and yes, we will win in 08. America won't be denied this time.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 04:29 AM
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16. And how many polls show her beating Guillianni and Guillianni beating Obama?
Have to look at the trends. And the trend is Obama is toast!
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Donald Ian Rankin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 06:34 AM
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17. Most and none, respectively.

Most, but not all, polls, show Clinton narrowly winning ove Giuliani.

Pretty much every other matchup polls consistently as a wide Democratic victory.

Clinton is more likely to win than not, but she's the Democrat most likely not to.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 06:42 AM
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19. Huh
If you look at ALL the polls , including state and nat'l ones, she has the best chance of winning, albeit by a narrow, narrow margin...



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Rydz777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 06:39 AM
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18. It's the Electoral College that counts- these polls are meaningless. nt
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