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Kermitt Gribble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 01:29 PM
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Funny thing about the new Edwards ad
The funny thing is, I've been leaning Edwards for the past couple of months. With this ad(unwarranted, in my opinion), underlining Edwards commitment to negative campaigning, I may start leaning away from Edwards.
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 01:30 PM
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1. I didn't think he said or did anything negative with that ad at all. It was perfectly fair.
He didn't distort or twist any of Hillary's words. Not at all.
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Kermitt Gribble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 01:35 PM
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4. Looked to me
like a swiftboat ad. The same ad could've been made about any candidate. Short clips can't reveal what point a candidate is trying to make.
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 01:56 PM
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20. Not correct at all. Unlike Kerry, this is all from the same debate.
Edited on Fri Nov-02-07 01:59 PM by jsamuel
with answers within two minutes of each other (not fine - shows dishonesty/distortion). The attack on Kerry was just showing that he changed his mind over a long period of time (fine - shows growth).

This is about the issues. Clinton thinks it is more viable to not say what she thinks than to say what she thinks. That way, she looks great to everyone. The problem is that the issues get distorted this way. Who knows what she really thinks?
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Kermitt Gribble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 02:52 PM
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30. It is the same. It's a collection of sound bites
put together to distort what the candidate is saying.

"Clinton thinks it is more viable to not say what she thinks than to say what she thinks. That way, she looks great to everyone. The problem is that the issues get distorted this way. Who knows what she really thinks?"

Again, I'm not going to sit here and defend Hillary, but show me one of the frontrunners who doesn't try to look great to everyone.
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 02:59 PM
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31. This is simply Clinton herself speaking. The distortion is coming from her.
Edited on Fri Nov-02-07 03:00 PM by jsamuel
Not the ad.

It is a collection of what she said at the debate. Even those at the debate said the same thing. She is giving contradictory answers to the questions. All the ad does is put those contradictory answers next to each other.
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Kermitt Gribble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 03:27 PM
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36. Then why not put her whole answer
to the question in the ad instead of a few words from different sentences? That would be the thing to do if he was questioning her stance on an issue. Bits and pieces of answers don't reflect what she was trying to say - it forces the viewer to the opinion of the ad. If viewers could hear the whole context of the question and answer, they could make their own mind up about whether she was waffling or not.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 04:50 PM
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38. Which ad are we talking about?
Edited on Fri Nov-02-07 04:58 PM by Bleachers7
Edit: I found it. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=385&topic_id=66591&mesg_id=66591
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 01:30 PM
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2. You were obviously not for him to begin with. nt
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Kermitt Gribble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 01:36 PM
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8. I said I was leaning Edwards
I haven't made a decision yet. If these ads are made at all, they should be directed at a rpub candidate.
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mark414 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 02:24 PM
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25. then what on earth are primaries for?
for all the Dems to stand on a stage and hold hands and smile and just hope and pray that enough people pick them?
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Kermitt Gribble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 03:16 PM
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35. The primaries are for discussion of issues
not to smear candidates who are on the same side of the isle. This tactic was born under the Bush/Rove style of politics. I don't think it should be used on members of your own party.
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mark414 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 04:49 PM
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37. even when members of your own party are wrong?
how is comparing video, all from the exact same night and the exact same debate, of hillary's own words a smear?

principle is more important than party.

(though in the interest of full disclosure, i have never been a member of any political party...though i have always voted straight ticket dem)
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surfermaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 08:03 PM
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45. I have heard her slap Edwards several times
But seldom have I heard Oboma slam Edwards...She just got back what she has dished out on several occasions.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 01:34 PM
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3. "unwarrented" Surely you jest? it is about time she has been called on her crap.No more free rides.
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Kermitt Gribble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 01:39 PM
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10. I didn't see any crap for her to be called on in that debate.
People are making something out of nothing here and I can't see how she's getting a free ride.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 01:44 PM
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14. "If you are not outraged then you haven't been paying attention"
I think getting caught lying by a school teacher and an AP reporter is a big deal but that just me. She isn't getting a free ride anymore.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 01:42 PM
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12. yup. no more, indeed.
good on John, a great ad.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 01:35 PM
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5. I'm not for Clinton or Edwards, but I asgree with the OP - I think Clinton's
responses in this debate have been really misrepresented. I think she's been treated unfairly, and I was surprised at that Edwards ad, too.

I'm not attempting to besmirch Edwards -- I would feel the same way regardless of who issued the ad. If this had been Biden's ad, I'd be very displeased and might have to reconsider my support of him too. I don't like what it indicates about Edwards.


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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 01:42 PM
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11. Yup.
And as an Edwards supporter who is probably shifting to Hillary, that makes your guy my second choice right now.

I have been watching Biden, Clinton and Edwards carefully. I think they would all make good presidents, but HOW they choose to get there matters to me, so i've kept it fluid. This was a bad choice for Edwards, IMO.
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Froward69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 02:14 PM
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22. exactly
Being President to Edwards, is about Edwards' ego. not what is best for the country.
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MGKrebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 02:37 PM
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28. Maybe even more about Elizabeths ego.
Did I really type that in public?

Uh oh.
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 01:36 PM
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6. I agree. And it made me more than lean away.
He does a wonderful ad in Iowa and then posts this other thing online which twists some very easy to understand positions into something it isn't. He's smart enough to understand what she said, and is trying to get milage out of debate created sound bites. It's not different than a lot other political candidates would do, but not OK with me.
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 01:36 PM
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7. Oh stop.
That ad brought up real and substantive issues, worthy of discussion. Are such inconsistencies sacrosanct and not to be discussed? Methinks they doth protest too much...

Please, this constant hammering of this subject here is beginning to seem rather...coordinated. Don't make me think that suck a thing could ever happen on DU. :sarcasm:
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Kermitt Gribble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 01:46 PM
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17. Nothing coordinated about this.
The ad is a smear and nothing more, nothing about real and substantive issued, and certainly not worthy of discussion.
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More Than A Feeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 01:37 PM
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9. It would be a very strange world if candidates had a responsibility
to prop up their opponents campaigns by only saying nice things or ignoring them. Kind of defeats the whole purpose of a nominating contest.
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Kermitt Gribble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 01:43 PM
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13. Candidates don't have to prop up opponents
or only be nice. Meanigful debate or differences in issues are welcome. Swiftboat type ads by Dems against Dems, taking sound bites out of context are not, IMO.
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More Than A Feeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 01:49 PM
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18. You can't meaningfully debate someone who won't take a consistent position throughout said debate.
Edited on Fri Nov-02-07 01:49 PM by Heaven and Earth
That's what the ad is pointing out. How are the quotes out of context? They were all from the same debate!
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Kermitt Gribble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 02:02 PM
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21. If a few words are each taken from a series of sentences
any meaning can be implied.
In the SS part of the ad - she stated she wouldn't implement her plan until it is fisccally responsible, yet it was portrayed as waffling.
Our candidates shouldn't be using these types of ads against each other-it will only hurt our chances next year.
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More Than A Feeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 02:17 PM
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23. She claims she has specific plans, but then explicitly says she won't get specific.
Edited on Fri Nov-02-07 02:19 PM by Heaven and Earth
That's a contradiction.

Better someone points that out now while we still have the chance to choose someone else.
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Kermitt Gribble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 02:35 PM
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27. Point it out all you want
that's what the primaries are for, however, there's no need for smear ads against our own team.

I'm not going to sit here and defend Hillary because I haven't made a decision yet, but how specific do you want her to be? The issues on her website look specific enough for me in primary season.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 01:46 PM
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15. Good For You
Say no to bashers!
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liskddksil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 01:46 PM
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16. And this is worse than
Edited on Fri Nov-02-07 01:47 PM by liskddksil
the ridiculous hair cut stories and fake affair stories the corporate media has used to try to derail the Edward's campaign? These are substantive policy issues that need to be answered. Edwards has given clear answers, whether you agree or disagree with his positions. Senator Clinton has continually avoided answering these questions.
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Kermitt Gribble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 01:54 PM
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19. And I've tried defending Edwards on the hair and house
non-issues. I agree with most of his positions. The ad has nothing to do with issues that need to be answered - it is a collection of clips put together to smear. The repubs use this same tactic against us - we don't need to be using it against ourselves.
This is the most important election in my lifetime. It may save or completely destroy this country. I would be happy to have any of our candidates as the Dem nominee, I just don't support our candidates using these types of ads against each other.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 02:17 PM
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24. yep
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weeve Donating Member (427 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 02:25 PM
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26. It's about time !
I'm so glad that FINALLY someone is putting a mirror up to Hillary and her triangulating, parsing ways. You can't talk out of both sides of your mouth and expect to get away with it forever.

Again, all this talk of "smears" etc. is laughable. Really, someone call a Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaambulance for old Hills and her supporters. If they can't take this little ditty, imagine what will happen in the General ! Keep up the good work Mr. Edwards, and thank you for highlighting yet another of Hillary's troubling traits before the Primaries. We need all this ( and MORE ) to be aired now, before it is too late.
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Kermitt Gribble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 03:07 PM
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33. Laugh all you want
These types of ads will do nothing but hurt the Dems chances in '08. It's wrong no matter who does it.
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laureloak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 02:45 PM
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29. Ha, Ha! I'll have to call you on that one.
Everybody else can be negative as hell but if Edwards says anything critical he loses your support? Ha, ha. he ever had your support, no need to lie about it.
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Ninga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 03:02 PM
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32. There is so much of that going on here....call it "faux outrage" or just plain sandbagging.
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Kermitt Gribble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 03:11 PM
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34. I've defended Edwards
when people were talking about his hair and the size of his house. You're the second person to question my support for Edwards - all I said was I was leaning Edwards. Sorry I haven't made a commitment yet, I'm not a bandwagon jumper.
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Kermitt Gribble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 05:57 PM
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42. Why would I lie about it?
I stated I was leaning Edwards, and that this ad may make mean lean away from Edwards. None of our candidates should be using ads like this unless its against a repube.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 05:01 PM
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39. That's a brilliant ad.
And it's mild compared to what the republicans would run. It's not negative. it speaks for itself.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 05:04 PM
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40. i'd be willing to bet that you were never a Edwards supporter to begin with...
Bet big money.
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Kermitt Gribble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 05:51 PM
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41. Whoaaaa!!! That's the third time I've heard that!
You're either with us or you're against us, huh? I see where you get your thought process.:crazy:
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 06:44 PM
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43. Your response doesn't make sense...
...more soundbite assasination by the Hillbots.
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Kermitt Gribble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 07:57 PM
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44. Should make sense
Your statements were essentially the same as the Bush battle cry "you're either with us or against us".

That's all you can add is accusations?

Automatically assuming I'm not really an Edwards supporter, betting "big money" -- because I don't like the tactics his campaign is using?

Not a "hillbot", BTW. Search for my posts that say otherwise.
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