Idiots who wave swatikas

Every once in a while I have to confront my own rage. Today on another forum I took a stand against some young dumb fool who insisted upon using a swastika in his forum avatar.

I threatened him with physical violence. A bit of the Irish red neck runs through my veins. That and my in laws have lost countless friends and relatives to the holocaust.

I say no one should display a swastika without accepting broken teeth in return. Don't care of they sue me. This isn't Skokie, IL and I'm not bound by forum rules of "inflammatory, indecent, threat of physical harm etc".

Someone adult person waves a swastika, you should break their face. Immediately and without exception or reservation. Some efforts are worthwhile getting prosecuted for.

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Read up about the swastika before you show your ignorance.

never used in only one context. It's silly to get upset over a visual design. It's worth getting upset if people are displaying a visual design and using hate speech.

But it's still not the symbol's fault, it's the people's attitude and what they say that is a problem.

To paraphrase the old NRA slogan, "If swastikas are outlawed, only outlaws will have swastikas."

The act of banning always makes some people want the thing that's been banned, when they wouldn't have wanted it otherwise.

the national flag of the Confederate States of America.

You are probably talking about the flag often called the Rebel flag, which is actually a St. Andrew's cross, which looks like an X stretched to fit a rectangle, with stars representing the states of the CSA along the arms of the X. The "Stars and Bars" is quite different.

Since the Confederates did not commit acts of genocide as the Nazis did, it is insulting to suggest a comparison between the Rebel battle flag and the swastika. The Confederates fought to defend their homes against an invading army; the Germans invaded Austria and Poland, the Netherlands, France, and Italy.

Besides invading the CSA and destroying its economy, the US has fought wars of imperialism in the Philippines and now in Iraq, so the "Stars and Stripes" have dirt on them, too. Slave ships flew the US flag, too, never the Confederate one, because the system was that Yankee slavetraders sold slaves in the South (and in the West Indies and South America) and Southern planters used slave labor to produce cotton for mills in the North. The U.S. Constitution did not consider blacks to be fully human and there were not that many abolitionists, the USA just wanted to subjugate the Southern states and slavery was a handy excuse.

It is a fact that the swastika and the St. Andrew's cross have religous origins and the swastika is found in many cultures. Designs resembling the St. Andrew's cross are probably common as well. Designs using stars and stripes or bars are also common, as can be seen from the US flag and many others.

The swastika never killed anyone. We can see it as a Nazi symbol or we can see it as a symbol that's used by Hindus, Native Americans, and surely others. It shows up in quilts that predate Nazis by a hundred years or more. We should oppose hatred, and unacceptable behavior, not symbols.

If we fixate on symbols, we could end up with a world in which no symbols are permissible because some group somewhere has used them to indicate hate.

Manwoman's post was wordy and lengthy. My guess is he/she wasn't supporting Nazis but using the symbol from other cultures.

When I was a kid we had a woven Native American seat cover made with reverse swastika like formation. An Indian hand made rug. No one was offended because we all knew it wasn't to support Hitler. In fact I wish i still had the rug. An ancient native American artifact by now.

The one I referred to clearly was put in place by a Nazi sympathizer of American Conservative bent.

So said I'd break his teeth in the event if indeed we ever meet. Unlikely we would come face to face, but he should be advised that physical assault is a distinct possibility for those who engage in nazi glorification. If not by me then by someone else with "Attitude".

To that extent i probably did him a favor. These shit heads don't know when they are screwing up. I may have prevented him from getting his head cracked.

Just make sure they are using the nazi swastika first and not the native american or buddhist one.
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Manwoman is definitely NOT endorsing nazism.

I had to once really resist the urge to physically bash a neo nazi. He was part of a study group i met while taking college course.

Mixed feelings. on one hand the kid was clearly trying to make sense of his life, his father's physical abuse, the boy's drinking and meth use etc. So he was making improvement but occasionally vacillated into the sphere of nazi support.

When they cross that line all bets are off. As well as the gloves.

But the Nazis changed that. Like it or not, it's almost always primarily displayed as a symbol of hate. Life's not always fair for "symbols". SOmetimes their meanings are stolen, and they can never take them back. I know a lot of SOutherners who would like to fly the confederate flag in memory of the good and not the bad part of of southern culture.

But that's no longer acceptable, as the new meaning, the remembrance of the pain and the injustice, supersedes all else. That's the way things are for the swastika and the confederate flag. And that's they way it ought to be.

ANyways, do you know the IQ level of people who display swastika's!?! Why in the world would you enter into a discussion with someone like that? Would you discuss world politics with your dog? WHy? Because it's a frustrating waste of time.

I do admire your spirit though...

Cheers/

My point being that a swastika is a form of assault. Ditto the confederate flag and probably a few more symbols I'm not aware of.

When someone flies a nazi symbol I consider them directly threatening my family with intent of personal injury and/or death. It's important that these room temperature IQ jerks KNOW that there are people like me out there whom, if we ever meet they can be expected to be assaulted and beaten.

I make no bones about it. It's something worthwhile to go to jail for.

Practice non violence? As much as possible. Walking ten to twenty miles to avoid a fight. Except when confronted with people showing intent to do bodily damage to your family and friends.

If a stranger takes an ax to your front door you should repel his attack with all necessary means. Including though hopefully avoiding killing the perpetrator. Never the less the first thing to do is repel the attack.

These closet nazis who masquerade as conservatives are fairly common. They are tolerated well within the GOP. Even by moderates who sometimes exhibit a thought process once in a while. Yet just the formation of a neo nazi cell is an assault on humanity. I refuse to give these cretins any slack. The more we tolerate them the more their numbers increase.

Hopefully one day soon ALL neo cons will be perceived with the disdain the great majority holds the nazis.

In all honesty, I'm the sort of the guy that would be all with you on that. I'd need a couple beers in my system, as usual. But you go ahead and break the first guy's jaw and the next thing his pal is gonna see, is me cracking a bar-stool over his god damned head.

But really, skin-heads are even too stupid to be nazis....

Hardly worth the bother.

You'd have a better investment in time, walking over to the neighbors house discussing pre-Columbian architecture with the neighbors cat....


Cheers Mate

Just want them to piss their pants from FEAR.

Surely they'll understand that concept well enough...

you let me know. I personally find it ludicrous to threaten violence over the net. But that is just me.

for the reasons others are mentioning.