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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 11:25 PM
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Why John Edwards Cannot Lead the Democrattic Ticket
The interview shown in this video is from May 07'

George Stephanapolous holds Edwards feet to the fire pointing out his admitted mistakes made while a Senator.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADwjvAs9J-0

Stephanapolous interviewed Edwards this morning. Transcripts not up yet, but here is a sampling of the question he asked Edwards...:

George Stephenapolos was great in interviewing Edwards.

Aren’t you the new Karl Rove of the left, appealing only to your base, at a time when the country wants to get away from that?

Are you saying Senator Clinton is corrupt?

What is your position on the 40 states that allow DL’s for illegals.

Isnt that the same as what Senator Clinton has stated?

You say you are more electable, but the polls show otherwise.

I have two polls here from North Carolina showing Sen Clinton way ahead of you.


Edwards seemed to get frustrated and sounded angry but theres more..

The best question of all…

” You criticize Sen. Clinton for taking lobbyist money. How is that different than taking money from people who work for lobbyists?” (Edwards Bloviates) (George interrupts “The question is what is different from taking money from lobbyists vs those that work for lobbyists) Edwards quips “I’ll get to that.” and continues to bloviate.


Edwards looked like THE BIGGEST DOUBLE TALKER in US POLITICS….Which is ironic because he is the ONE that DEMANDS a SIMPLE yes or no answer
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 11:26 PM
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1. I'll take Edwards over Hillary and many other Dems any day
though they both have their flaws.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 11:28 PM
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4. I guess you haven't had a chance to watch the video yet..
your comment doesn't reflect your intellect.
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 10:25 AM
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45. I watched the video
I have heard painful and/or contradictory and or/ stupid statements from every single Democratic candidate.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 08:49 AM
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34. Johnny Edwards is Mike Dukakis 2.0 - but without the liberal record.
The GOP would destroy Edwards, totally and utterly destroy, him.
At least the Duke delivered his home state - that's more than anyone could expect from Edwards.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 09:22 AM
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37. Yes, I agree..
In the interview with George, Edwards transparently double talked his responses avoiding at all costs giving George a straight answer. The "I can't hear you" distractions were really lame. George did a commendable job bringing him back to point.
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bpeale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 10:31 AM
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46. so will i
stephanopolous is a tool. how quickly they change. he used to work for bill clinton. now he's a tool.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 11:06 AM
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48. A straightforward question deserves a straightforward answer..
apparently John Edwards has something to hide...GUILT- maybe?
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 11:27 PM
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2. Very informative video..don't miss it!
When the abc video is available anyone can post it..

Will also wait for the utube version's availability..
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 11:28 PM
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3. The sort of crap one might expect from George Staphylococcus these days.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 11:30 PM
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5. From John Edwards own mouth...
Stephanapolous asks a question ...Edwards doesn't do well when faced with his own words put back in his face.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 11:30 PM
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6. Not sure how he answered, but he should have been able to handle
all of those questions. Nothing there that was impossible.
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goodgd_yall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 03:02 AM
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31. He did fine. Tellurian hasn't been well since Tuesday's debate. n/t
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 09:24 AM
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38. I've been fine.. I didn't know you cared..
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 11:33 PM
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7. Edwards is for the people. Hill is for the corporations. Make your choice.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 11:44 PM
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10. Edwards is called on his representation of the people when in the Senate
GS asks Edwards questions demonstrating how Edwards has HURT the people with his voting YES on the Bankruptcy Vote and YES to storage of Nuclear Waste at Yucca Mountain in Nevada..

Convince me Edwards is good for the people not politically expedient?
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 12:56 AM
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19. I'm not here to convince anyone. Make your own determinations and your own choice.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 11:33 PM
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8. The video from this morning is available
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 12:06 AM
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16. Thanks for posting the link Jim..
Just reviewed the video.

Edwards is a master at not answering a direct question and the self-deprecation is astoundingly phony.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 11:35 PM
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9. Because He's Never Supported Torture?
As far as I know, he's never supported torture.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 09:33 AM
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39. Edwards promised to go to Iraq..I don't think he's gone yet!
Except for Gravel, Edwards is the only one who has never visited the troops. I did a cursory search and couldn't find any evidence of Edwards visiting the troops. Is this possible, Edwards has never gone to Iraq during 2 presidential campaigns?
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 11:48 PM
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11. I disagree. I think he handled himself well, and I'd pick him over HC any day
I'm almost shocked I'm saying this. A year ago I would have said no way to another rich white guy. But I just don't trust Clinton. Not at all. She's totally in the pocket of big business, be it defense, insurance, health care, agri, whatever. She's a corporate whore and she'll just bring us more of the same that BushCo has given us. Obama is not presidential material -- yet. A fine man, but needs to work on it a bit more. Edwards is the next best choice, since DK has not chance in hell.

Oh, and for those already starting to offer alternatives...Biden and Dodd and those guys are about as likely as Kucinich. They're old school, been in this forever, and American isn't looking for insiders now. America is in a throw-the-bums out mood, and whatever their attributes might be, integrity and leadership are not the first things that come to mind when people think of either of them.

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Nutmegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 01:12 AM
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23. You and I both.
I agree with your statement. I had a much different opinion last year.
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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 09:34 AM
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40. Bingo that's just were I'm at now as well
I was even thinking seriously for RP after Dennis shot himself in the foot last week, but I think with more support we can advance Edwards position further.
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 11:52 PM
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12. John Edwards has proved to be very disappointing...
his desperate attacks against Clinton have not helped him to move his message across...unless his only message is that he hates Clinton.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 11:59 PM
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14. Actually, "hating Clinton" is a "message" that resonates for many
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 01:07 AM
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21. Tell it to the polls which show her ahead of everyone else.*titter*
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 02:47 AM
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27. I thought John Edwards was excellent in that interview.
A key statement that I also heard him say in the debate is that when the everything is over, he and Hillary will be OK. He said what matters is the American people. I have listened to many of the videos available at his website. I believe that what is important to Edwards is that this campaign reveal the truth about all the candidates including himself. The Bush administration has been so dishonest. It has so cleverly manipulated the American people's hopes and desires. Edwards is refreshing. I do not have the feeling that he is willing to be dishonest to win. Whether candidates contradict previous stands, whether they change their minds is relevant to me only if the change of mind is calculated to win votes and is not a genuine change of opinion based on learning new facts or based on seeing facts in a new light. I believe that Edwards wants to win, but I do not think that, this time around, he is willing to compromise his integrity to win.

I have the impression that, to the contrary, Hillary wants to win at any cost. She feels she should be president, that she is entitled to be president, just as she was entitled to be first in he class in college. She is offended that others do not see her as the heir apparent to the presidency. Her attitude offends me. I believe that Edwards is sincerely asking the American people to take his measure and decide for themselves whether he should be president. I happen to think he should be. I do not think Hillary should be president. She is too easily peeved. We do not need another president with a bad temper.

Edwards is a litigator. He knows how to express his ideas and himself powerfully. But, trust me, he has won and lost lots of arguments, lots of motions, probably even cases. He is not a person who gets angry when put on the spot by an interviewer. I thought he handled Stephanopoulus's tough questions very well. And I think that all of the candidates should face tough questions. This election is too important to soft pedal the questions for any candidate. I really appreciated Stephanopoulus's approach. It gave Edwards the opportunity to show his courage and his honesty in the face of criticism. Stephanopoulus did a favor to Edwards. I suspect that was not the intention of Stephanopoulus, a former Clinton employee. I suspect that Stephanopoulus hoped to trip Edwards up. It is hard to trip up an honest man. And Edwards may change his mind, but he is honest. By "honest," I mean that he speaks from his heart. He is not tailoring what he says to please the audience of the moment.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 11:55 PM
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13. Wow...and you're not even bitter that your bosses pay Georgie BoyWonder more than you
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 12:35 AM
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18. huh? what does that mean?
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 12:05 AM
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15. does it really matter what he said?
he`s not going to win the nomination so why would anyone care? he`s polling so low now there`s no way he could over take the hillary lead
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 12:15 AM
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17. Of course it matters..
And just because of the reason you mentioned. Edwards numbers are so low no one is even looking at what he's saying. Edwards sitting in front of someone in actual command of the facts and proof of Edwards former positions and statement certainly has made a case for a reassessment of St. John calling for Clinton's Honesty, Integrity and the Truth. Who, after tear down in the HOT SEAT is in no position to be pointing fingers at anyone.

This is called in ordinary terms...John Edwards is a hypocrite making hypocritical statements.
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 12:59 AM
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20. You spelled Democratic wrong. nt
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 01:08 AM
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22. spelled Stephanopolous wrong, too.
Edited on Mon Nov-05-07 01:08 AM by provis99
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 02:48 AM
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28. I cannot spell the name either, and I am generally a good speller.
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 01:21 AM
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24. Yawn. A obsessed Hillary supporter striking back because Edwards shined at the debate....
...And Hillary fell on her face with all the double talk!!

Why is the sampling of the questions he asked Senator Edwards "proof" that Edwards can't lead the ticket?

Oh wait, it's not.

Your OP headline is a little misleading. Because when I clicked on it all I saw was a cheap attempt at gaining reaction from the Edwards supporters.

OPer, is that all you're good for? Flame bait over substance?

All sizzle but no steak? Thought so....
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 01:55 AM
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25. Yup.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 02:49 AM
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29. Edwards was great in the interview. Don't worry.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 08:51 AM
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35. "Shined"? How many point did he go up in the polls?
The highpoint of his campaign is only falling back two points after his "triumph"?
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 11:39 AM
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50. If Edwards ever had a "Triumph" he'd faint dead away!
He tries to elicit sympathy from anyone listening to him explaining how much he cares about people. As Mr.Goodguy, lobbys the jury for a nice big settlement for his client...(of which he is 30% partner) As part of that Jury, I say, too many holes in your story, Mr. Edwards...I'm not buying what you're selling!
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 01:25 PM
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55. How did you address my point? Oh wait, you didn't.
How does this thread prove that Edwards can't lead the national ticket?

It doesn't. Because he can. And he's more electable than Senator Clinton.
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Nia Zuri Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 01:20 PM
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54. How many people even saw the debates?
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 02:15 AM
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26. Many of those questions are not asked in that video.
I think Edwards did a great job answering tough questions in the video you linked to. Is there another video?
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goodgd_yall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 02:59 AM
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30. Uh...Did we watch the same interview?
You're so enamoured of HRC, I guess you can't watch ANY thing of Edwards or any other candidate without projecting your own feelings on them. Edwards was not frustrated or angry. And he did a fine job answering Stephy's questions.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 12:46 PM
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51. Yes, I can be objective. Why are you having such a hard time?
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 03:21 AM
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32. I'm curious about what you call his 'bloviations'.
You give all the questions, and no answers, then claim he is equivocating.

:eyes:
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 08:32 AM
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33. Edwards did very well in that interview
Unlike Hillary, he has a clear and direct message -- and one that fits the times.

He also has the ability to actually answer a question, while also acknowledging the complexities in a straightforward way.





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Just-plain-Kathy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 08:58 AM
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36. I liked Edwards back when he was running for VP in 2004...
...but something happened to him since then. I think he sold out. After he left the senate, he took that “part-time” senior advisory position with that hedge fund firm, he co-sponsored Lieberman’s IWR...and then he bought that BIG HOUSE. ...Where does he get that kind of money? He’s an ex-senator and as far as I know, hasn’t worked as a lawyer in ages. ...Something’s fishy with him. Maybe he came into an inheritance, I’m sure someone will set me straight.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 10:15 AM
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43. Well, he earned his money, there is no doubt about it
He made a fortune as a lawyer before his 2004 run and then doubled it in investments since his 2004 run. There is no mystery about where his money comes from.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 10:19 AM
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44. He had all that before the election. IWR was in 2002, he already had a lot of money AND a big house
then. He invested his money wisely, that is all. The only thing that is new is the hedge-fund firm in which he learned about poverty.

Not trying to defend or attack Edwards here. It is just that he has not changed except in his campaigning: in 04, he led a campaign that was positive, he is more like an attack these days.
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 10:03 AM
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41. Huh...A former employee of the Bill Clinton campaign & Clinton administration defending a Clinton.
Imagine that? :eyes:
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venable Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 10:09 AM
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42. your feeble attempts to diss Edwards are failing
from your pathetic posting of the hair video, to your wish that Edwards was as duplicitous and confused as your girl. He's not.

He will get the nomination, and HRC will go back to the Senate and 'bloviate' for the next 20 years, trying to pad the pockets of her pals, and pining for the days when she mattered. she is roundly disliked by people from every single part of the political spectrum, because she is not honest.

face it.

Edwards blew the lid on HRC's faux sincerity, everyone saw it, everyone commented on it, and it's just too much for you to bear.
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 10:41 AM
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47. Stephanoupolos. Stephanoupolos. Where have I heard that name before? Hmmm...Clinton '92, perhaps?
Masquerading as impartial interviewing, this is pure urinalism.
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yodermon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 11:14 AM
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49. Please correct your link.
the descriptions and excerpt you posted are nowhere in the interview at the link.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 12:49 PM
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52. He is a HUGE Double-Talker.
Probably not the biggest, but he's certainly no real populist.

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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 12:55 PM
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53. All Politicians Are Dissemblers...All
Edited on Mon Nov-05-07 12:55 PM by DemocratSinceBirth
The only ones I dislike are the sanctimonious ones...
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