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antiimperialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 08:55 AM
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Can you show me examples of Hil playing the gender card?
Edited on Tue Nov-06-07 08:55 AM by antiimperialist
Geraldine Ferraro said Clinton's opponents are sexist.
A Washington Post journalist, don't remember her name, wrote about sexism against Hil in the last debate.
However, Hil is being attacked directly for "playing the gender card".
Can any of you show me quotes of Hillary saying anything to the effect that she was attacked in the latest debate because of sexism?

I would suggest not to use the "pile-on" comment at Wellesley as an example, as she was not referring to sexism during the debate or any point during the campaign, but to the fact that politics are dominated by men, as you can see by the fact that all our presidents have been male, and almost 100% of our senators and representatives are men.

Go ahead. Show me.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 09:00 AM
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1. They can't --
Nobody can.

Because though many are loathe to admit it to themselves, to them Hillary plays the gender card simply by virtue of being a woman.
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Alamom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 09:10 AM
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2. kick
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 09:58 AM
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3. Kicking
Edited on Tue Nov-06-07 09:59 AM by Lirwin2
Let's see some examples, people!
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 10:05 AM
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4. she dresses in womens clothing. nt.
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 05:29 PM
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18. An obvious ploy to get the poor me I'm a woman vote! AND....
She wears makeup! GASP!!!
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Donald Ian Rankin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 11:55 AM
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5. I know of no example of Hillary herself doing it.
I've seen some posts from her supporters here on DU doing so in what I consider to be unreasonable fashions, but holding her responsible for their actions is absurd - look at the ammount of crap being flung in all directions by "supporters" of all the candidates at the moment.

But I've never seen any example of her doing so herself.
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Basileus Basileon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 11:57 AM
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6. I think the "all-boys club" is indeed playing the gender card.
It boils down to "hey, vote for me, I'm a woman." That's playing the gender card in my book.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 01:48 PM
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10. Yep. That's the example I almost went looking for. "Theyr'e piling on."
Poor little me! :eyes:
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 05:27 PM
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17. They DID pile on, because she's the one to beat, DUH!
And saying at an all woman's college that they helped prepare her to be the only female presidential candidate in the "boys club" is NOT being "little old me."

I'm not even voting Hill in the primary, and I'm pissed off how they are writing off every move as "girly." What bullshit, especially since Bush has been behaving like a tantruming three year old for years and all he ever gets on his temperment is how "he's so RESOLUTE!" Like that's such a great quality to have when you're WRONG!
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 01:28 PM
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7. Through her campaign team and using triangulation, the "Woe Is Me" card is obvious
There are other examples where the Hillary Clinton campaign is playing cheap games with the "gender card". As some of the links point out, she is no stranger to that tactic, using it when she ran against Lazio in 2000 when she ran for the New York Senate position.


“It goes beyond logic — it’s a gut response,” Eleanor Smeal, president of the Feminist Majority Foundation, said of the spectacle of Clinton onstage confronting seven male rivals and two male moderators at a debate in Philadelphia on Wednesday night.

Smeal, who has endorsed Clinton, compared the debate scene to the congressional grilling of Anita Hill when she challenged Clarence Thomas’ Supreme Court nomination in 1991.

“Every woman — it was just so visceral — that panel was all male,” Smeal recalled. “It didn’t matter almost what was being said. It a visceral gut reaction, and I think that’s what you’re seeing here again.”

“Turnabout is fair play,” said Marie Wilson, a Clinton supporter and president of the White House Project, which trains women to enter politics. “When you’re the one and only, those stereotypes are coming at you all the time. If she has one time when she can make them work for her, why not?”
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1107/6691.html


The Hillary Clinton campaign produced a video showing the "piling on", the "ganging up", the "6 men on one woman" routine. Mark Penn admitted to using the tactic in a campaign conference call.


She released a cleverly edited video showing rivals John Edwards, Barack Obama, Joe Biden and Chris Dodd uttering her name in rapid-fire succession to the strains of Mozart's The Marriage of Figaro.

The video then cuts to the words, "The Politics of Pile On."

Her top strategist, Mark Penn, told supporters on a conference call that Clinton needed their help to survive "this six-on-one to try to bring her down."

Clinton's advisers, speaking on condition of anonymity because they are not authorized to discuss internal matters, said there is a clear and long-planned strategy to fend off attacks by accusing her male rivals of gathering against her.

The idea is to change the subject while making Clinton a sympathetic figure, especially among female voters who often feel outnumbered and bullied on the job.

As one adviser put it, Clinton is not the first presidential candidate to play the "woe-is-me card" but she's the first major female presidential candidate to do it.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071101/ap_po/on_deadline_clinton_1


More on the tactic used by Mark Penn:

The Hill newspaper, listening in on a conference call with Clinton fundraisers, quoted chief strategist Mark Penn being even more explicit about the "backlash" he was detecting among female voters: "Those female voters are saying, 'Sen. Clinton needs our support now more than ever if we're going to see this six-on-one to try to bring her down.' "
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/01/AR2007110102146.html


Here is the email from the Clinton campaign the day after the debate in Philadelphia:

Dear XXXXX,

If you saw the debate Tuesday night, or if you've seen the news coverage since, then you know that this campaign has entered a new phase.

On that stage in Philadelphia, we saw six against one. Candidates who had pledged the politics of hope practiced the politics of pile on instead. Her opponents tried a whole host of attacks on Hillary.

She is one strong woman. She came through it well. But Hillary's going to need your help.

Her opponents, trying to boost their falling poll numbers, started attacking Hillary weeks ago on the stump. Now they're doing it in the debates. And soon they'll begin a barrage of negative TV ads and mailings in the early primary and caucus states.

But Hillary knows that voters want real change -- not more negative attacks. And with just 60 days left before the Iowa caucuses, now is the time to show her that you are right there with her.

Will you help Hillary with your contribution today?

Thank you for standing with Hillary at this critical moment in the campaign.

Sincerely,

PSD
Patti Solis Doyle
Campaign Manager
Hillary for President


No, Hillary Clinton would not come right out and say her opponents are "sexist" because they may disagree with her. She has plenty of paid merchants to do that work for her. What the tactic does is take women's rights and the feminist movement 10 steps backward in my view.

Besides trying to play the "Frontrunner Underdog" act, this tactic of making it seem like women have to raise a flag when being "picked on" when engaging in a discussion with men makes women look like they need someone to back them up and not have the ability to stand on their own. Sort of like how Hillary Clinton also uses her husband's resume for her to gain "validity"...

As the reaction has been seen since this "woe is me" campaign strategy, people are seeing through the tactic.







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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 01:32 PM
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8. I have as much interest in a man pontificating about
what moves the feminist agenda forward as I do in a man telling me what I should do with my uterus.

In case you haven't noticed - we are in the majority.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 03:14 PM
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11. You apparently don't have an interest in evidence of using the gender card either
Oh well. Have a great day!


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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 03:29 PM
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12. Enjoy your day flogging for Obama and
also your "straight person doing grassroots outreach to the gay community" stuff - whatever that is supposed to mean.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 03:40 PM
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14. The OP wanted proof...and got it... you're out of ammo...again.
:rofl:


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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 03:46 PM
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15. It proves nothing but your bias
and lack of ability to comprehend this issue.

See you at the bar...
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 05:31 PM
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19. See me at the bar?
:toast:

I'd buy you a drink of your choice. You'd have to wear an Obama button for the duration of the drink however.

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Basileus Basileon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 03:39 PM
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13. Nice sexism there.
We're in the majority in the House and the Senate, so why don't you women all sit down and shut up?

Oh, wait, no. That's misleading and offensive, and anyone who honestly said that would be rightly tombstoned. But yet telling a man that he's not allowed to have an opinion on advancing feminism? That's somehow different.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 01:41 PM
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9. K
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 05:24 PM
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16. It's totall bullshit......Bush is always all "they're picking on me!"
And nobody ever says it's because he's a man -- in his case it's because he's screwed up everything he's ever done in his damned fool life and has run this country like he ran Arbusto! ON STEROIDS!
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Tejanocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 05:33 PM
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20. "This all women's college prepared me to compete in the all boys club of presidential politics."
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Tejanocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 05:35 PM
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22. Or this: "The last couple of weeks I’ve been getting a lot of attention from the men in this race."
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antiimperialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 05:40 PM
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24. hmmm, I have a theory as to why she's not getting attention from the women in this race
Because there are none! She's the only one.
Citing quotes where she called men men are not examples of playing the gender card.
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Tejanocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 06:00 PM
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25. Really? And Obama saying "look at the attention I'm getting from all the whites in the race" would
not be playing the race card then?

Hmmm. Smells like buillshit to me.
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antiimperialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 07:02 PM
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26. Bad analogy. We are talking about gender, not race.
Edited on Tue Nov-06-07 07:06 PM by antiimperialist
if all of Obama's rivals were women, and he said "I can't believe the attention I'm getting from all these women", then we would have a good analogy. And calling them women would not be outrageous, because society accepts women being called women and men being called men.
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elizm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 05:33 PM
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21. "I don't know WHY all these men are so obsessed with me"...
How many times on the campaign trail has she used this in her stump speech. I've heard it until I am sick of it. Don't tell me THAT is not playing the gender card.
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antiimperialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 05:38 PM
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23. Sorry, that's not playing the gender card, nor is it related to the debate
All Hillary opponents, in both the Democratic and Republican party, are men. The fact that she referred to them as what they are is not a shocker.
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