Clinton didn't vote on Mukasey?

MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Thu Nov-08-07 11:28 PM Original message

Clinton didn't vote on Mukasey?

That sucks. I faulted Obama for not doing so, and fairness dictates I fault Clinton similarly. goddammit, people! You want to be President! Show up for your day job!

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rufus dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Thu Nov-08-07 11:29 PM Response to Original message

1. points for being consistent n/t

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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Thu Nov-08-07 11:31 PM Response to Original message

2. Your consistency is refreshing.

:thumbsup: Where are all the other Obama-bashers?

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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Thu Nov-08-07 11:36 PM Response to Reply #2

7. I'm not an Obama-basher

I'm quite fond of him, and he's my second choice for the nomination. I think it's silly that people feel they need to hate one candidate in order to support another.

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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Thu Nov-08-07 11:37 PM Response to Reply #7

14. Point taken.

Thanks. :thumbsup:

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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Fri Nov-09-07 12:20 AM Response to Reply #7

77. This is the leadership's fault.

Reid could have scheduled this vote so they could have been there.

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Imagevision (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Thu Nov-08-07 11:32 PM Response to Original message

3. This is good, but she did so AFTER hearing Obama planned not to even show up

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beaconess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Fri Nov-09-07 12:29 AM Response to Reply #3

85. How do you know when she decided not to vote?

Or that she even decided at all - since she didn't really have any choice.

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Connie_Corleone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Thu Nov-08-07 11:34 PM Response to Original message

4. It looks like Reid moved up the voting.

http://cbs2.com/politics/politicsnational_story_312191908.html The debate came after a tense day of negotiations that at one point featured Majority Leader Harry Reid threatening to postpone Mukasey's confirmation until December. His confirmation had long been virtually assured despite the debate over his refusal to call waterboarding torture. I guess Clinton, Obama, Dodd and Biden didn't have time to get back to vote.

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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Thu Nov-08-07 11:35 PM Response to Reply #4

5. Dodd and Biden missed it too?

that's wrong.

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gateley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Thu Nov-08-07 11:39 PM Response to Reply #5

18. I'm in the same boat you are. I'm DEVASTATED that Biden didn't show.

I know he planned on voting no - as did Dodd. I forget what Clinton said - I'm assuming she was a "nay", too. The only acceptable explanation is that the vote was moved up. It was initially thought the vote would be around midnight, so hopefully they were en route. It does seem odd none of the three were present. That's the ONLY acceptable explanation!

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Connie_Corleone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Thu Nov-08-07 11:40 PM Response to Reply #18

22. I remember hearing earlier this week that the vote was going to be next week.

I was surprised it was taking place tonight.

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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Thu Nov-08-07 11:43 PM Response to Reply #18

29. If that's the case

then I can understand it, but I don't excuse it. They all have the resources to get to DC.

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rufus dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Thu Nov-08-07 11:39 PM Response to Reply #5

19. what is wrong is he was brought up for confirmation. n/t

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orleans (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Thu Nov-08-07 11:41 PM Response to Reply #4

26. bad reid, bad. n/t

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napi21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Thu Nov-08-07 11:35 PM Response to Original message

6. I don't think any of the candidates were there today.

I looked at the Senate vote on the water bill earlier and all the candidates were missing. I guess they all must be campaigning today.

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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Thu Nov-08-07 11:37 PM Response to Reply #6

9. they have millions

and access to private jets. They should all be in the well of the Senate for important votes.

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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Thu Nov-08-07 11:40 PM Response to Reply #9

23. I agree

If they wanted to, they could have made it

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napi21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Thu Nov-08-07 11:46 PM Response to Reply #9

35. I don't disagree, but perhaps they already knew he was going to be

confirmed, If you look at the vote, you'll see he would have...with or without them!

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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Thu Nov-08-07 11:47 PM Response to Reply #35

41. I understand

and I've argued elsewhere in this thread that the results wouldn't have changed. Nonetheless, I believe they should all be in the Senate for important votes.

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gateley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Thu Nov-08-07 11:50 PM Response to Reply #41

48. I STRONGLY agree with you. And until now they have been there for the big ones...nt

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napi21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Fri Nov-09-07 02:45 AM Response to Reply #41

116. You're right, and they all have been. Remember what you said.

"Important Votes!" If you already know it won't matter if you're there or not, isn't it more important to be campaigning? I'm a Biden supporter too, but I would rather have him gathering more votes than scampering back to DC when he already knew his vote or his presence wouldn't matter.

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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Fri Nov-09-07 03:29 AM Response to Reply #116

117. We can simply disagree on that...

I think they should go on record for important votes.

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beaconess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Thu Nov-08-07 11:47 PM Response to Reply #9

38. Not so easy to schedule private jets to fly into Washington on a couple of hours notice

sounds good, but not as doable as it seems. Not to mention how they'd get slammed for spending that kind of money, using up all that gas, to get back to Washington to make a vote when their vote wouldn't have changed the outcome ("showboating!!!") - while pissing off whomever was waiting to see them wherever they were. The fault here lies solely with Reid, not the candidates.

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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Thu Nov-08-07 11:48 PM Response to Reply #38

43. I knew yesterday

or the day before that the Mukasey vote would be today.

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beaconess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Thu Nov-08-07 11:56 PM Response to Reply #43

59. No you didn't.

The vote was supposed to be next week and wasn't scheduled until this afternoon, after Reid spent most of the day negotiating with the Republicans. So, unless you're psychic or part of Lott's inner circle, you couldn't have known that it was today.

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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Fri Nov-09-07 12:25 AM Response to Reply #59

80. I believe I heard on C-SPAN yesterday

that the vote would occur today.

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beaconess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Fri Nov-09-07 12:28 AM Response to Reply #80

84. Someone may have said it on C-Span, but they didn't tell Reid

Since he was still negotiating today over when the vote would be scheduled. He blindsided the candidates, plain and simple.

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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Fri Nov-09-07 12:30 AM Response to Reply #84

86. That's quite possible

I wouldn't swear to what I heard. But I know I expected the vote to occur today.

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gateley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Thu Nov-08-07 11:52 PM Response to Reply #38

52. I don't think Biden has a private jet - but I'm sure Hillary would have given

him and Dodd a lift (sounds snarky but that's not my intent).

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beaconess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Thu Nov-08-07 11:59 PM Response to Reply #52

66. You're assuming they were all in the same place and that a private plane

could have gotten them here soon enough for the vote. It's not easy scheduling a private plane, even when its yours and it's with you. It's even harder scheduling a private plane to fly into Washington at the last minute. And having Democratic candidates cancelling their events with real people out in the real world to all rush back on private jets to cast a vote that won't change the outcome, in my view, is superficial showboating.

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gateley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Fri Nov-09-07 01:17 AM Response to Reply #66

111. Thanks for your voice of reason - you're trying and we keep ignoring you

because we're on a rant. I guess I can only speak for myself, so change the "we" to "I" It was an emotional roller coaster for me because I believe SO strongly in Biden and trust him implicitly, that when he said he'd vote, but didn't show...I overreacted. I felt betrayed and let down -- totally emotional response. But you've succeeded in calming me down and I thank you for that. :hug:

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beaconess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Fri Nov-09-07 12:54 PM Response to Reply #111

127. I appreciate that - and am really glad that this has helped

Edited on Fri Nov-09-07 12:54 PM by beaconess We have enough things to get ourselves worked up over without falling apart over the stupid stuff. :-) :pals:

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youthere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Fri Nov-09-07 10:16 AM Response to Reply #66

124. I think she and Biden were in Iowa yesterday...not sure, though.

but yes..you're right..it's not like you can schedule a flight like that *snap*

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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Fri Nov-09-07 03:45 AM Response to Reply #52

120. Biden has raised millions of dollars...

he can get to DC.

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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Thu Nov-08-07 11:37 PM Response to Reply #6

10. and yet only Obama merits a thread bashing him for not voting

so very DU

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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Thu Nov-08-07 11:37 PM Response to Reply #10

12. What is this thread?

Don't be silly.

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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Thu Nov-08-07 11:38 PM Response to Reply #12

16. this one

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3699278&mesg_id=3699278

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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Thu Nov-08-07 11:39 PM Response to Reply #16

20. This thread is not that thread

This is a thread condemning Clinton for not being there for the vote. The thread you said didn't exist.

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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Thu Nov-08-07 11:43 PM Response to Reply #20

31. You busy bees were busy bashing Obama til you found out others didn't vote either.

That's what I'm talking about.

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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Thu Nov-08-07 11:45 PM Response to Reply #31

33. and about 10 seconds after I learned Clinton

didn't vote, I started this thread. Your fake outrage is laughable.

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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Thu Nov-08-07 11:47 PM Response to Reply #33

40. Actually your outrage at Obama not voting was FAUX outrage.

Particularly when you found out your candidate failed to vote as well.

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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Thu Nov-08-07 11:49 PM Response to Reply #40

46. You're being ridiculous

I faulted Obama for not being there to vote. I'm faulting Clinton in the same exact way. You're just flailing here.

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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Thu Nov-08-07 11:53 PM Response to Reply #46

55. Yes, I forgot to thank you for your hypocritcal pile-on of Obama.

You got caught with your pants down and you apparently expect it to all be smoothed over with your "never mind" retort. Oh-tay.

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Thu Nov-08-07 11:56 PM Response to Reply #55

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CyberPieHole (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Fri Nov-09-07 12:54 AM Response to Reply #55

101. Self delete

Edited on Fri Nov-09-07 01:04 AM by CyberPieHole

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ronnykmarshall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Fri Nov-09-07 10:09 AM Response to Reply #55

121. Uh, that's Roseanne Rosanna Danna

you're thinking of Emily Litella

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CyberPieHole (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Fri Nov-09-07 12:32 AM Response to Reply #40

89. Your accusation of FAUX outrage is FAUX in itself.

So the other Senators did once, what Obama has made a habit of: failing to vote. Perhaps Obama might be correct when he desperately tries to align himself with Gen-Xers: He is a slacker extraordinaire. On this issue, all the Senators are wrong. They should all have been there for the vote and it will come back to haunt whoever gets the nomination.

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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Fri Nov-09-07 12:33 AM Response to Reply #89

91. Correct

they should all have been there.

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CyberPieHole (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Fri Nov-09-07 12:52 AM Response to Reply #91

100. MonkeyFunk...I am so disilusioned by the turn of events...

I am completely dispirited. I haven't felt this way since the 2004 election. I guess I should get some shut-eye, and read about it later.

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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Fri Nov-09-07 12:55 AM Response to Reply #100

102. Oh, I'm not disillusioned....

I don't have any high expectations for politicians. But I think this is a disappointment. But I'll get over it.

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CyberPieHole (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Fri Nov-09-07 12:59 AM Response to Reply #102

103. You're a saner person than I then...

I still held Biden and Clinton in high esteem (Obama lost my support with McClurkin)...I'm off, perhaps this story will appear differently later.

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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Thu Nov-08-07 11:40 PM Response to Reply #16

21. You're OK with this thread, but object to the other

That's certainly fair of you

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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Thu Nov-08-07 11:38 PM Response to Reply #10

17. Are you having an out of body experience?

You're posting in a thread about how Clinton didn't vote on this while complaining that there are no threads about how Clinton didn't vote on this

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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Thu Nov-08-07 11:41 PM Response to Reply #17

25. no, I'm pointing out that an entire thread was devoted to bashing Obama

for doing the same damn thing - not voting - when Hillary, Biden, and Dodd didn't vote either. That's typical hypocritical cheese used against Obama.

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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Thu Nov-08-07 11:42 PM Response to Reply #25

28. And THIS thread is devoted

to "bashing" Clinton for the same thing. You said no such thread exists, and yet you're posting in it. :shrug:

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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Thu Nov-08-07 11:47 PM Response to Reply #28

42. Hillary really gets them going

It's so amusing the way some just get crazy just because her name is mentioned.

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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Thu Nov-08-07 11:50 PM Response to Reply #42

47. Nah, it's the hypocrisy of HRC supporters so anxious to destroy their opponents.

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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Thu Nov-08-07 11:51 PM Response to Reply #47

51. Yes, how dare those Clinton supporters ignore this thread

Damn you Clinton supporters!!! Damn you all to hell

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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Thu Nov-08-07 11:52 PM Response to Reply #47

53. Have you hit your head?

Do you not see that THIS thread is one faulting Clinton for missing the vote? And started by a Clinton-supporter?

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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Thu Nov-08-07 11:56 PM Response to Reply #53

57. Yeah, after butt-reaming Obama for doing the same thing.

Your cosmic revelation which is really due to being caught with your pants down is touching and all that, but doesn't erase the nastiness you spewed earlier at Obama for not voting. I'm not impressed.

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Thu Nov-08-07 11:57 PM Response to Reply #57

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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Fri Nov-09-07 12:23 AM Response to Reply #61

79. Damn you, you Clinton supporter who didn't start this thread that you started

Damn you to hell!

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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Fri Nov-09-07 12:27 AM Response to Reply #79

83. Hillary killed my cat

sure, the vet SAID it was cancer, but I know better.

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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Fri Nov-09-07 12:36 AM Response to Reply #83

92. My ficus is coming back to life

Obama must have given it some hope. Hillary would just tell it whatever it wanted to hear

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CyberPieHole (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Fri Nov-09-07 01:13 AM Response to Reply #92

110. LOL

:spray:

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laugle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Fri Nov-09-07 12:38 AM Response to Reply #57

94. Enough please....if someone had posted Hillary not voting in the first place, prior to the BO thread

the same situation would have occurred in the reverse. Bottom line is all of the candidates should have voted for this important position. Now, if it turns out there was short notice on scheduling or whatever, then maybe they are off the hook!

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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Fri Nov-09-07 03:32 AM Response to Reply #57

118. Sorry for whatever caused that post to be deleted.

my "reaming" of Osama consisted of saying "I like Obama very much, but this is ridiculous". Then I started this thread right after I learned that Clinton missed the vote, too. Your attacks against me are unwarranted and basically silly.

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gateley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Thu Nov-08-07 11:54 PM Response to Reply #10

56. Obama got the bash because his spokesperson said it "didn't matter" because

the outcome was known.

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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Thu Nov-08-07 11:56 PM Response to Reply #56

60. And that point of fact isn't true because what exactly?

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gateley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Fri Nov-09-07 12:05 AM Response to Reply #60

68. The fact is true. Obama was being criticized for his failure to basically

dismiss a VERY important vote. Regardless of the outcome, this was a major issue and it would have been best if he had been there in solidarity with his fellow Dems and to make a statement. And as someone pointed out in the other thread, he needs votes on his RECORD. He needs to establish who he is by how he votes. If Biden doesn't have a REALLY GOOD reason for being there, I will lose some respect for him. I'm not willing to say "oh, I'm sure he has a good reason, no problem" and not give some serious review to how I feel about him as a person of integrity.

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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Fri Nov-09-07 12:11 AM Response to Reply #68

74. None of the contenders voted.

I believe prioritizing is paramount in this campaign. They all knew how this vote was going to go down in advance, and none of them showed up to go on the record with their opposition. Finding Obama at fault more so than the others is quite frankly a biased way to view this. They are all running for president now. Time is money. Literally.

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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Fri Nov-09-07 12:22 AM Response to Reply #75

78. No, but I can debate without using personal attacks.

You might want to look into it.

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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Fri Nov-09-07 12:26 AM Response to Reply #78

81. You're behaving insanely

pretending that this thead doesn't exist, pretening that only Obama is being excoriated for missing the vote. It's nuts.

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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Fri Nov-09-07 12:31 AM Response to Reply #81

87. sorry I'm not sweeping the earlier pile-on under the carpeting as you would like

"Whoops" and "my bad" don't cut it after a candidate has been slimed gratuitously and falsely, and the fact that you obviously fully expect it to is what is nuts.

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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Fri Nov-09-07 12:32 AM Response to Reply #87

90. what "my bad"

have I offered? None at all. You're not rational. I never slimed Obama. I faulted him for missing this vote, and I'm faulting MY candidate for doing the same thing. You're not behaving like a sane person.

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laugle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Fri Nov-09-07 12:48 AM Response to Reply #78

98. You just accused the poor guy of faux outrage, butt reaming, and hypocrisy,

geez....no personal attack here though, sorry AK...you know I love your posts but, it's break time........I'm glad MF has a sense of humor though......lighten up.... LOL

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2rth2pwr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Fri Nov-09-07 01:34 AM Response to Reply #78

113. Ha Ha Ha! LOL

Is there a way to nominate a string of posts for a DUzy?!

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gateley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Fri Nov-09-07 01:47 AM Response to Reply #74

115. I'm probably actually criticizing Obama's spokesperson's choice of words --

or how it was reported. It sounded flippant and uncaring which I would hate to hear from my candidate's camp. If it had been a "he's so disappointed he'll be unable to make it because of the time constraints blah blah blah" it wouldn't have been as flame-worthy, I guess. And honestly, it was the spokesperson who said it - not Obama, so I've come around to agreeing with you! Not fair of me at all to judge Obama on something he himself didn't even say. I apologize. :hi:

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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Fri Nov-09-07 03:34 AM Response to Reply #74

119. I didn't find Obama more at fault than the others....

that's why I started this thread. You're not acting rationally.

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laugle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Fri Nov-09-07 12:27 AM Response to Reply #10

82. Hey Ak, be fair, most of those posts were before we knew that

Hillary didn't vote. Frankly, just because someone just posted it here doesn't make it true anyway. If neither of them didn't vote they both suck. But Obama is showing a pattern of not voting on controversial issues.

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Yael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Thu Nov-08-07 11:36 PM Response to Original message

8. Day job?

What vote have any of them shown up for in the last 3 months. Democratic or (R)? *sigh*

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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Fri Nov-09-07 12:31 AM Response to Reply #8

88. Most of the Senate

has voted on most of the bills before them.

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CyberPieHole (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Thu Nov-08-07 11:37 PM Response to Original message

11. Outrageous! If both of them had shown up...

and voted against Mukasey the vote would not have been 53-40 in favor of confirmation. They both are irresponsible and don't deserve to be Senators.

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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Thu Nov-08-07 11:38 PM Response to Reply #11

15. No

it would've been 53-42. He'd still be confirmed.

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CyberPieHole (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Thu Nov-08-07 11:43 PM Response to Reply #15

30. Yes, but EVERY vote counts...NOT voting is tacit approval...

Did any of the other candidates show up to vote? I can't seem to find the roll call anywhere...do you have that info? Who voted who didn't? What the hell is going on? I'm pissed.:grr:

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Connie_Corleone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Thu Nov-08-07 11:44 PM Response to Reply #30

32. Biden, Clinton, Dodd and Obama were not there.

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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Thu Nov-08-07 11:46 PM Response to Reply #30

36. I agree they should've voted

that's why I started this thread. That said, the result wouldn't have changed.

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CyberPieHole (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Thu Nov-08-07 11:51 PM Response to Reply #36

50. Standing on the sidelines is tacit approval...I have lost faith in all of them...

what in the world is going on with our party? Why did they just cave into the repugs...yet again?

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beaconess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Thu Nov-08-07 11:41 PM Response to Reply #11

27. No - it would have been 53-42 in favor of confirmation. Same result.

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CyberPieHole (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Thu Nov-08-07 11:46 PM Response to Reply #27

37. Correct, the result would be the same but the VOTE would have been different...

I know that two votes would not have moved the confirmation in the opposite direction, but it does not excuse their behavior. They should have voted. What about the other candidates? Did they vote? Or did they ALL sit on their butts and miss something as important as this?

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beaconess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Thu Nov-08-07 11:37 PM Response to Original message

13. Don't be so hard on either of them -

It looks like the Democratic leadership screwed them . . . As of this afternoon, the vote hadn't even been scheduled and Reid was threatening to postpone it until December. Then, lo and behold, he decided to schedule it for tonight - apparently too late for anyone out of town to make it back to Washington. I do admire your consistency and lack of hypocrisy, however. It's refreshing. But I think in this instance, none of the candidates who didn't make the vote should be beat up on. This seems like the Majority Leader's screw up.

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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Thu Nov-08-07 11:41 PM Response to Reply #13

24. Both Clinton and Obama (and Dodd and Biden)

have the resources to get to Washington for an important vote.

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gateley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Thu Nov-08-07 11:47 PM Response to Reply #13

39. We heard nothing about Clinton, Biden or Dodd - but Obama's camp said

he wasn't coming - so it sounds as though he knew of the schedule change. If he was made aware, one would think the others would have been advised as well. On the other hand, I have to say again that we thought Biden, Dodd and Clinton would be present, so it IS curious why all three were absent.

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beaconess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Fri Nov-09-07 12:06 AM Response to Reply #39

69. All of the senators know the schedule at the exact same time

it comes over their blackberrys, their staffs get the info, etc. Whenever Obama found out, the others found out at the exact same time. All four of them were absent because THEY DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO GET BACK TO WASHINGTON!!!!

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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Thu Nov-08-07 11:45 PM Response to Original message

34. We're getting down to crunch time. Prez candidates are going to

miss more votes. The only way we can stop that is to deny senators or congressmen/women the right to run for prez at the same time as they hold another office. Otherwise, we're going to have to put up with nonvoting for votes where their vote would not affect the outcome.

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guruoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Thu Nov-08-07 11:53 PM Response to Reply #34

54. Yeah, as they say, a perfect time forrrr...

impeachment! :rofl:

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Terri S (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Thu Nov-08-07 11:48 PM Response to Original message

44. Looks like Reid pulled another fast vote

This wasn't supposed to be voted on until next week. I find it hard to believe all the candidates would have missed this had they known with enough time to make it back. Actually, it's the same reason that Obama missed the Kyl-Lieberman vote. What the hell is with Reid? Didn't he just go on the record saying he'd make sure all candidates knew well in advance of important votes?

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gateley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Thu Nov-08-07 11:59 PM Response to Reply #44

65. I thought Obama missed the Kyl-Liberman vote because he had the flu (again

this sounds snarky but it's not).

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BenDavid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Thu Nov-08-07 11:48 PM Response to Original message

45. Well hell. The clinton haters did not disappoint. Cause

as soon as the vote was taken and neither HRC, or Obama were present I suspected it would be all Clintons fault that Mukasey was approved. You did not disappoint....but you need to direct your anger towards Reid for caving to the republicans and setting the vote for tonight. Harry Reid acts as though he is still in the minority and once HRC is elected her first move as head of the democratic party is get rid of Harry Reid. I thank you Ben David

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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Thu Nov-08-07 11:51 PM Response to Reply #45

49. are you insane?

do you see my avatar?

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Karmadillo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Thu Nov-08-07 11:57 PM Response to Original message

62. Should have been there.

nt

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wndycty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Fri Nov-09-07 12:08 AM Response to Reply #62

70. Whatever, you won't bash her the way you bashed Obama over it. . .

. . .neither one needs to be bashed on this, but that is how you play the game. BASH! BASH! BASH!

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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Fri Nov-09-07 12:14 AM Response to Reply #70

76. Nonsense

they all should've been there. I condemn Clinton, Obama, Biden and Dodd for missing this.

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gateley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Fri Nov-09-07 12:09 AM Response to Reply #62

71. Yep. Simple as that. I agree. nt

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illinoisprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Thu Nov-08-07 11:58 PM Response to Original message

63. just to refresh anyone who bashed Obama for the same thing:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3699278 who is being a hypocrite here?

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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Fri Nov-09-07 12:09 AM Response to Reply #63

72. And how am I being a hypocrite?

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calteacherguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Thu Nov-08-07 11:58 PM Response to Original message

64. I don't hold it against either one of them; their vote wouldn't have made a difference.

Let them campaign, that's more important now. We are deciding who the next President will be. I say it's more important for them to campaign so as many people as possible can see them in person.

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ripple (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Fri Nov-09-07 12:04 AM Response to Original message

67. Thank you, MonkeyFunk

And to be consistent, it really doesn't matter that Clinton wasn't there, either. He was going to be approved. As an Obama supporter, I'd rather see him changing minds on the ground, so that he can appoint his own attorney general and he made it clear that he would vote 'no'. If it had been half-assed close, he would have been there. Did Clinton come out in opposition of Mukasey? I'm guessing she did and I probably just missed it. If she did, she made her point. I'm personally pissed at Feinstein and Schumer. If not for them, Mukasey wouldn't have made it out of committee.

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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Fri Nov-09-07 12:10 AM Response to Reply #67

73. and Landrieu and Lieberman

that was the margin.

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rufus dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Fri Nov-09-07 12:37 AM Response to Original message

93. In defense of MonkeyFunk

I have not seen him/her using this as a point against Obama. He/She seemed to be annoyed with both! Although I don't agree that either should be slammed for this cluster(**(#@, he/she was consistent and above board.

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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Fri Nov-09-07 12:40 AM Response to Reply #93

95. I did, in fact, post

in the Obama thread. I said "I like Obama very much, but this is ridiculous". Ten seconds after hearing that Clinton missed this vote, I started this thread. I think they're both wrong. As are Biden and Dodd and McCain and any others who missed this vote.

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rufus dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Fri Nov-09-07 12:44 AM Response to Reply #95

96. fair enough

So should we slam the Monkey (hehe) for post that was corrected by starting a thread! I say no, and he/she gets bonus points for being honest regarding the post.

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laugle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Fri Nov-09-07 01:00 AM Response to Reply #95

104. Don't worry about it...with that logic

we would all be hypocrits that posted in the previous thread on this subject, re BO. I'm sorry you are getting bashed on this, since you practically apologized in your OP. Most people would not have bothered. Kudos to you for showing some objectivity.

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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Fri Nov-09-07 01:03 AM Response to Reply #104

106. thank you

that's very nice. But I didn't apologize for anything. I'm not sorry I faulted Obama, and I'm not sorry I faulted Clinton. Every Senator should've been there for the vote.

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laugle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Fri Nov-09-07 01:07 AM Response to Reply #106

108. MF...you don't need to explain it to me, I get it.

I only meant that you were honest enough to fault Hillary as well as Obama. Basically, I think you got slammed for being honest/fair, and I just wanted to let you know that! Bottom line, I expect our reps to show-up and do their jobs, just like the little people!!

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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Fri Nov-09-07 01:10 AM Response to Reply #108

109. Meh

only one little gnat slammed me. I don't feel bad about it. Thanks again.

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laugle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Fri Nov-09-07 01:18 AM Response to Reply #109

112. Yes....but she is one of my favorite little gnats....LOL

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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Fri Nov-09-07 01:37 AM Response to Reply #112

114. That's fine

I have a lower opinion of her, based on her hysterical behavior.

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maximusveritas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Fri Nov-09-07 12:46 AM Response to Original message

97. You're falling into their trap

By saying they're not doing their day job, you're falling into the Republicans' trap. They will use this same attack against us in the general election, just like they did in 2004.

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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Fri Nov-09-07 12:51 AM Response to Reply #97

99. McCain didn't vote either

and he was wrong, too.

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maximusveritas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Fri Nov-09-07 01:02 AM Response to Reply #99

105. McCain's not going to be their nominee

I think we all know that. It's going to be one of the other guys, so they will be able to use this attack against us. I realize you want to say you're consistent, but I think it would be more impressive if you admitted this wasn't a big deal and none of our candidates deserve criticism for missing votes which don't affect the eventual outcome.

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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Fri Nov-09-07 01:05 AM Response to Reply #105

107. I agree that McCain will not be their nominee

but my disappointment is sincere. I didn't start this thread to show consistency. I honestly believe all Senators should've been there to vote on this.

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ronnykmarshall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Fri Nov-09-07 10:11 AM Response to Original message

122. What a crock.

Nice going, Hill.

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youthere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Fri Nov-09-07 10:13 AM Response to Original message

123. delete.

Edited on Fri Nov-09-07 10:19 AM by youthere

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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Fri Nov-09-07 10:17 AM Response to Original message

125. Absolutely. Candidate or not, they have jobs to do.

Voting on things such as this should be at the top of their list.

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greatauntoftriplets (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Fri Nov-09-07 10:23 AM Response to Original message

126. Biden and Dodd also missed the vote.

All four candidates said that they opposed Mukasey's confirmation.

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