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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 11:54 AM
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Has anyone considered that maybe Hillary just received really crappy service?
:popcorn:
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Tejanocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 11:55 AM
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1. I hear she gets as good as she gives...
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 11:57 AM
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2. it was the waitress's first day, after all
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Fresh_Start Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 12:03 PM
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3. I confess. I pay with credit card and put the tips on the charge slip
Shoot me already. I carry virtually no cash because it disappears and I have no idea where it goes.
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 12:04 PM
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4. Bah! It's jerks like you that force waiters to actually report their tips!
Have you no sense of decency?!
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Fresh_Start Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 12:06 PM
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5. especially if I have to track business expenses
the charge slips are the best documentation.
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 12:08 PM
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7. Oh I see. So your justifying your expenses to "the man"...
is more important than a waiters need to falsify his taxable income.

God, you are such a Republican.

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Fresh_Start Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 12:11 PM
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9. No, I think that honesty is a democratic trait
Edited on Fri Nov-09-07 12:12 PM by NYCALIZ
and lying on your taxes is a Republican trait.
As a democrat, I realize that our citizens need services that only taxes can provide
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 12:13 PM
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10. Hmmm... touche.
:)
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Fresh_Start Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 12:15 PM
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13. I'm part of the LEFT moral majority
ethics, honesty, decency, caring for your fellow man, volunteering.....

I know that some people don't expect to find "MORAL LEFTISTS". But in my experience, leftists LIVE morality that the RIGHT only pretends to believe in.

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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 12:16 PM
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14. Yes, yes. You do realize I was joking, right?
As I have been with nearly every post in this thread, up to and including the OP?
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Fresh_Start Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 12:21 PM
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17. Yes, I too was making a point
about what is 'normal' in terms of handling business expenses.
There's been too many DU posts about, it wasn't handled correctly. They should have left cash. They should have made sure each service personally received their tip.

I expect a tip to be split between the service people, wait people, bartender, wine steward without glad handing each of them individually. If the service is extraordinary, I make a point of complimenting the management personally.
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 12:23 PM
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19. I agree there's been too many DU posts about it...
but I would argue that one post about it is too many.
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Fresh_Start Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 12:27 PM
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21. A lot of people can't get past the 'sports fanatic'
way of looking at politics. Its only good if your team wins and you have to rag on the opposing team.

It supports the GOP agenda since it divides the opposition.
There's a reason that FOX is not only pseudo news. Its a sports network because it has to make sure that the divide and conquer strategy is fully engrained.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 12:08 PM
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6. Oy vey!
I'm satying out of this one.
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youthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 12:11 PM
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8. I blame the loose-meat...
I've eaten a few maid-rites in my day and I believe they are served in hell. Now my fellow Iowans will commence my crucifixion.:hide:
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 12:13 PM
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11. Crappy service or not, if you are running for office and have the spotlight on you
You always leave a good tip, and make sure the waitstaff gets it. Otherwise you wind up in situations like Hillary currently finds herself. It's just smart politics.
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 12:15 PM
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12. Oh, I see. So she should have lied through her teeth and given a tip despite poor service?
Nice attitude, Machiavelli. :eyes:
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 12:17 PM
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15. nice stawman assuming poor service as a fact, tool
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 12:19 PM
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16. Nazi. n/t
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 12:22 PM
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18. communist!! :)
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 12:25 PM
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20. Anarchosyndicalist!!
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 12:32 PM
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22. headband wearing vegan limousine-liberal !!!
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 12:33 PM
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23. YOU TAKE THAT BACK!!!!!!
:argh:
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 12:44 PM
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24. and the limo is a hybrid!!! and your headband is made of hemp!!
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Broke Dad Donating Member (345 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 12:50 PM
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26. Re: This says a lot about the Clinton organization
Anybody else remember a presidential candidate or president deny making a mistake, change their story, cover up, and then intimidate the press when they reported the mistake, the denial and the cover up? Nixon? W?

Clinton's response horrifies me. If this woman becomes president, we will see the abuses of power by W perpetuated, not reversed. God help us if we have eight more years of secrecy, censorship and intimidation of the press.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 01:02 PM
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27. ?
This is realpolitik we're talking here. You know, if Hillary had gone over to the waitress, put a large bill in her hand, smiled and complimented her on the nice service, there would have been no uproar over this and we wouldn't be talking about it right now. It would have cost Hillary what, money out of her campaign, not her pocket, a fake smile and compliment(which politicians employ all the time), and she would have been on her way with another vote in her pocket and no brouhaha to be seen.

Sure, if you're a private citizen, you have the freedom and luxury of tipping as you see fit. Hell, I've gotten such bad service that I've left a quarter tip under an upside down glass of water. All that we suffer as a consequence is a cursing out by the waitress that we don't even hear. A politician doing the same thing gets dragged through the coals and precious time is wasted on something that could have been prevented with a little forethought. Apparently there was none on the part of the Hillary campaign, and here we are, yapping about it. Frankly if this is how Hillary runs her campaign, it reflects poorly on how she'll run the country IMO.

This is indeed realpolitik friend, and whether you like it or not, you do these things to get elected.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 01:28 PM
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30. Bingo. nt
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 12:49 PM
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25. Gee, is this 2007 or 2000? IN February 2000
Hillary Clinton had just kicked off her NY Senate re-election campaign.Out of nowhere, a story appeared on "The Washington Times" about a woman who was:a single mother - serving a (gratis!) breakfast to Hillary in a diner - stiffed out of a rightfully-earned tip. It was picked up by "The Drudge Report", then the national media, and enjoyed several days' notoriety.
Flash-forward to 2007; Hillary Clinton is in a tight primary race in Iowa.Once again, seemingly out of nowhere, a story appears - this time on NPR's "Morning Edition" about a woman who is: a single mother - serving a (gratis!) breakfast to Hillary in a diner - stiffed out of a rightfully-earned tip....also posted on Drudge....

DO YOU GET THE PICTURE? YOU SHOULD...

Ben David
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 01:16 PM
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28. Have you considered that maybe you're taking this too seriously?
Or that, as demonstrated by the rest of my posts in this thread, my OP is not even remotely serious?

Pop a Xanax or something, dude.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 01:26 PM
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29. Doesn't matter. You tip, anyway, because the kitchen is usually

responsible for the "lousy service."

You tip, anyway, because you're a liberal Democrat and you know that waitresses depend on tips to earn a living.

You take into consideration that a server might be new on the job.

If the server was rude, complain to the manager, or only tip 10-15%, or both.


But if you're running for president, tip 20% and forget about it. You can't afford to look cheap. Tip 25% and look like you care about the working class.
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