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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 02:55 PM
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Rasmussen: "Clinton has bounced back" (and Obama has lost ground/Edwards flatlining)
In the race for the Democratic Presidential Nomination, Senator Hillary Clinton has bounced back. She is now supported by 44% of Likely Democratic Primary Voters, up from a recent low of 39%. Senator Barack Obama earns the vote from 19% while former Senator John Edwards remains at 15%. No other candidate tops the 3% level among Likely Democratic Primary Voters (see recent daily numbers).

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_2008__1/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

numbers here:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_2008__1/daily_presidential_tracking_polling_history
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 02:57 PM
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1. There are too many polls
They need to be reduced. Something has to be done about this. Too many polls.
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Tejanocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 03:19 PM
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11. If you think there are too many, simply ignore the national polls which are meaningless because the
nation doesn't vote on January 3. Only Iowa caucuses that day.

Historically, the results in Iowa will radically changed the landscape for all the candidates. Here is the best analysis I have seen on the phenomenon:

In late 2003 the Kerry campaign made a radical decision: it decided to close most of its New Hampshire campaign and bet everything on Iowa. It's not an often discussed decision, but it remains the best tactical decision I have ever seen a campaign make during the primaries. It was based on the fact that national polling is irrelevant before Iowa, and to some extent so is New Hampshire Polling

What made the decision fascinating at the time is that Kerry's campaign manager was Jeanne Shaheen. While best known as a governor of NH, she is also without a doubt the master of the New Hampshire primary. She has run 3 winning NH campaigns: Carter in '76, Hart in '84 (where I met her) and Gore in '00. Obviously two of those races (Carter and Hart) represent some of the biggest upsets in recent political history.

What Shaheen knew was that Iowa would completely re-make the NH race. And so it did. The tables below show the polling taken before the Iowa results were known, and the impact Iowa had on the final New Hampshire results:


The difference between winning the Iowa caucus and coming in third, for example, may result in as much as a 20% shift (or more?) in the actual New Hampshire primary vote as compared to pre-Iowa-caucus polling in New Hampshire.

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cobalt1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 03:20 PM
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12. The more polls the better.
If many different polls show the same result, that builds confidence in their methodology and results. Polls that radically disagree are more easily noticed and discounted.

I prefer many different polls by many different groups, put them together logically and you get a sense of reality that you don't have with just 1 or 2.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 02:58 PM
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2. We'll see in January
We'll see
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itsrobert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 03:00 PM
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3. I laugh at the Polls
Just like Bill Clinton said yesterday, he was third at this stage in 1991 and he finish first.
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 03:01 PM
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4. It's all a lie! The math is bad! It's a conspiracy!
Rasmussen is just a hill-shill poll! It didn't even happen, it was a mistake! gobama??
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 03:02 PM
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5. "Give 'em Hill"
eom
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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 03:31 PM
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15. Yep, she's back to a
25 point lead!

:)
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 03:07 PM
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6. Disingenuous subject line there. Not Rasmussen's words.
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 03:08 PM
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7. And the numbers don't support such a statement?
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 03:09 PM
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9. The words in quotes ARE his words. That's why they're in quotes.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 04:17 PM
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18. And?
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 04:45 PM
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19. And...you said they weren't his words.
:shrug:
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 05:12 PM
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23. That's right. They were NOT Rasmussen's words.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 05:19 PM
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24. ooooooo - kaaaaaaaay
:eyes:
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 03:09 PM
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10. Right From The Site!
"In the race for the Democratic Presidential Nomination, Senator Hillary Clinton has bounced back"


http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_2008__1/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 04:09 PM
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17. Pssssst start of 4th paragraph
"In the race for the Democratic Presidential Nomination, Senator Hillary Clinton has bounced back"
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 03:08 PM
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8. Kick and recommend
:applause:
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 03:20 PM
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13. It blows my mind that people are STILL getting excited over national polls
I mean, if we had a national primary day, I could understand, but as it stands, this is absurd.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 03:30 PM
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14. You Want State Polls... Here's Your State Polls
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 03:42 PM
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16. Thanks for posting the most worthless group of polls I've seen today....
Polls from late primary states, mostly taken before Hillary imploded. Great job DSB, keep up the good work.


Also, you can keep pretending that everything is hunky-dory in Iowa and NH for Hillary, or that her winning those two primaries don't matter, but you will be arguing against history. Those two states have taken out much better front runners then her.
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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 04:47 PM
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20. See the graph here. Edwards is scarcely flatlining.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3518385&mesg_id=3701039

I update those graphs daily. Much more informative than looking at a table.
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goodgd_yall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 04:48 PM
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21. Where's that DUer who was so yippy-skippy happy
about HRC being on her downward slide?
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 04:52 PM
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22. That's not what some other poll says. It is embargoed. Oh my what is going on.
Yes there are too many polls!
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 05:25 PM
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25. self-delete.
Edited on Fri Nov-09-07 05:25 PM by jefferson_dem
sorry. wrong thread.
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