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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 03:03 PM
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Why Didn't Senators Running For President Vote On Mukasey?
This makes sense. The three just not showing up didn't make sense. This is the explanation we need to be aware of.


By Greg Sargent - November 9, 2007, 2:17PM
One of the weirder aspects of last night's rush vote to confirm Michael Mukasey as AG is that none of the four Senators running for President voted on this -- despite the fact that his confirmation was a big issue in the Dem Primary. So what happened?

The question is being asked today because many opponents of Mukasey feel that his confirmation could have been stopped -- or at least slowed -- by a filibuster. Since the Senators running for President -- Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, Joe Biden, and Chris Dodd -- all oppose Mukasey, they might have been likely candidates for that filibuster, or at least would have added "No" votes to the No column.

So why weren't they on hand for the vote? The answer is pretty straightforward -- but it also deepens the mystery of what really went down here.

According to Senate sources, as the Dem Senate leadership remained in closed-door negotiations with their GOP counterparts over whether to hold the vote, Senators were getting mixed signals throughout the day as to whether the vote would happen by the end of yesterday. The actual notification that there would be a vote didn't come from leadership until at least 6:30 or 7 PM last night -- catching aides on the staffs of the presidential campaigns and on the staffs of other senators off guard.

"I had my coat on and was walking out the door when I first heard about the vote," one staffer said.

The senators were notified that there would be five hours of debate, and that a vote would be happening at midnight, or possibly before, sources said.

Aides to one of the senators running for President said they were surprised at how adamant the leadership was that a vote would be coming so quickly -- with or without them present. One aide to this senator said that his staff told leadership that they couldn't get back for a vote until later in the night.

But, this source says, the leadership told this Senator's staff that they could not promise to hold the vote for his return. Leadership said that the vote would happen at the end of debate whether or not this senator got back in time for it, this source tells us. So this senator gave up the effort to return for the vote.

So basically what happened here is that leadership was adamant that the vote take place by midnight last night. And the senators running for President, who were scattered far afield, either couldn't make it back in time for the vote, or decided that it wasn't worth returning. The thinking apparently was that Mukasey's confirmation was assured, and they were already on record against him. As Robert Gibbs, a spokesman for Barack Obama, put it last night: "He's already announced his position on it. I don't think the vote will be close."

None of the other senators' campaigns has commented on record about this.

As for the possibility of a filibuster, it was never likely that anyone other than Dodd would have gone through with it at any rate -- again, because all the Senators can say that they're on record against him. Even if any of them had been willing to filibuster, it seems clear that the timing of the vote was such that it was unlikely that any of them could have gotten back to the Senate floor in time to do so.

Meanwhile, it still remains unclear exactly why the leadership suddenly declared at 6:30 P.M that there would be a vote -- and that it would have to happen by midnight at the latest.


http://tpmelectioncentral.com/2007/11/why_didnt_senators_running_for_president_vote_on_mukasey.php#more
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youthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 03:10 PM
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1. WTF?
:wtf:

My spidey-sense is tingling...something stinks.
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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 03:13 PM
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3. They think we are stupid. nt
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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 03:13 PM
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2. The presidential candidates
must be beside themselves with anger about being cheated out of the opportunity to filibuster Mukasey.<P>

/snark
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 03:14 PM
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4. Well that explains everything.
:sarcasm:
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 03:19 PM
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5. well, it explains that machinations were afoot, watson
what it doesn't explain is WHY.

I conceive of several whys:

1. it gave plausible deniability to the candidates, while still giving bush what he wanted
2. Reid took advantage of a known situation to fork the vote early so it would give bush what he wanted
3. Republicans forked Reid into taking advantage of a known situation to give bush what he wanted.


hmmm..what is the common denominator?
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 03:22 PM
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6. I don't know, but do you think Bush got what he wanted? nt
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 03:26 PM
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8. damn skippy
he got muskasky through with little or no effort
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 03:35 PM
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11. He always gets what he wants. Fucking amazing.
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 09:36 PM
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14. "I win. I always win. Is there no one on this puny planet
to challenge me?" (Obscure movie reference, can't help myself)
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youthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 03:25 PM
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7. I have a suspicion Bush got what he wanted....
but don't quote me on that! LOL!
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 03:30 PM
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9. All right, gray warrior - that's it for you. I'm coming after the duck. nt
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Froward69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 03:33 PM
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10. seems to me it was another way of
side stepping Bushes "Congress wasted another day" argument. with 440 days left it really does not matter who the puppet is...

Like hitler during WWII. we do not want to assassinate him (bush,hitler) because he will do more for our side remaining in the position he is in.
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ificandream Donating Member (142 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 03:39 PM
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12. Maybe that's it, but ...
... hasn't Shrub done enough freaking damage already? Dems, stand up and fight, for God's sake.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 04:00 PM
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13. Harry Reid needs to go. He is an idiot.
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