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ginchinchili Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 08:38 PM
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Here's something that's bothering me. Am I alone on this?
We've allowed our election process to devolve in such a way where we do expect certain qualities, characteristics, and skills in our candidates, the good part, except that the most important quality, characteristic, and/or skill is the ability to raise vast amounts of cash quickly. We've all heard the saying where there's smoke there's fire. I would argue that where there are large sums of cash being raised in short periods of time there's corruption. People don't give away large sums of money because they think you're cool. The more money involved the more someone is expecting something in return. We need to take money out of this process so that we the people can focus on our candidates' more important skills and their ideas. Here's an important consideration: which of our candidates are advocating federally financed elections? If your candidate has a position on this issue, please share it with the rest of us and, preferably, give us a link. This could prove enlightening.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 08:46 PM
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1.  I think the thing that prevents us
from having completely government paid for elections with the same amount of funding for each candidate (with no other expenditures allowed) is that the Supreme Court has said that freedom of speech requires us to allow any individual or group who wants to put out ads, to do so. So while we might be able to control the candidates' expenditures, we couldn't control all the supporters' expenditures.
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ginchinchili Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 08:56 PM
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3. I'm aware of the Supreme Court's decision on this.
But an effort has to be made to curtail the influence of money and and should be used as a campaign issue, as in choosing Supreme Court justices who don't equate money with free speech, which is what the Supreme Court ruling is based on. The problem with that ruling is that it guarantees the wealthiest Americans considerable influence in our government while guaranteeing that the majority of Americans have little or no voice in our government. One can argue the theoretics of the Supreme Court's position until the cows come home, but what I just stated is the inescapable reality: a tiny minority shapes policy, policy that benefits them, while the vast majority sits idly by. And in the process, there's a whole lot of shit goin' down that ain't good.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 10:35 PM
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9. But ads are clearly a form of speech, and ads cost money.
I don't think that it would be easy to find Supreme Court justices of the caliber we would want, who both would support civil liberties and act to limit political speech.
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 08:48 PM
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2. And money doesn't always win
Phil Gramm can tell you all about it
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ginchinchili Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 08:58 PM
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4. I have to disagree. Money always wins. It's just that sometimes it's not enough.
As you suggest, just ask Phil Gramm. On second thought, that's not even necessary.
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flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 09:14 PM
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5. why have we allowed WOLF BLITZER, CHRIS MATTHEWS , TUCKER CARLSON, JOE SCARBOROUGH AND OTHERS
to DICTATE TO US when, what, and how our electoral process will begin, what the goals are, and how we are going to vote.

They have too much power...those media pundits. they know it. and the politicians are dumb enough to play their game.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 09:19 PM
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6. This is the key....the Media is dumping millions into pursuading
the public who the front runners are..

The real question is how to stop the Media from presenting lies to the public.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 11:44 PM
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12. Agreed!
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 09:34 PM
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7. Here is what Kucinich has to say on campaign finance reform
http://www.dennis4president.com/go/resources/dennis-on-campaign-finance-reform/


The largest roadblock toward the American Restoration is a corrupt campaign finance system that promotes plutocracy allowing laws and regulations to be stealthily auctioned to the highest bidder. Less than 1% of the U.S. population contributes 80% of the money in federal elections. The top 1% in income also received more than half the Bush tax cuts. Tax policy has become an engine for transferring wealth upward. Enron had been poised to dominate energy markets worldwide largely because it strongly influenced the White House and donated to 71 Senators and 186 House members.


Private control of campaign financing leads to private control of the government itself and schemes like the privatization of social security, which would put trillions in retirement funds of Main Street workers at the disposal of Wall Street speculators. Public control of the political process requires public financing. The restoration of our American Democracy depends upon public financing. The Supreme Court, equating money with free speech, will not restrict the power of corporate interests to dominate government. The establishment of our democracy began with the Constitution. Let us renew the Constitution by amending it, requiring public financing to redeem from the perishable fires of corporate control an imperishable government of the people, by the people, and for the people. Banning soft money is a step in the right direction, but doubling hard money limits is a giant step the other way, and one that has received much less attention.

The National Voting Rights Institute challenged that change on behalf of a coalition of non-wealthy voters, candidates, and public interest organizations -- including the U.S. Public Interest Research Group, the Fannie Lou Hamer Project, and ACORN. That suit alleged, quite accurately, that doubling the hard money limits excludes non-wealthy voters and candidates from the political process on the basis of their economic status, in violation of the Equal Protection Clause in the United States Constitution. When only 0.11% of the voting age population contributed sums of at least $1,000 to a 2002 congressional candidate, doubling the limit to $2,000 provides even more power to a tiny financial elite. Those large contributions amounted to 55.5% of the candidates' individual fundraising.


Think about that. More than half the money driving the political campaigns comes from 1% of the people. And we wonder why popular positions, like universal health care or a living wage, are not enacted. Six of the 10 major party candidates for president in 2004 raised more than 75% of their money from contributions of $1,000 or more, and that includes President Bush, who raised more than all the Democrats combined. Most people cannot pay $2,000 to attend a dinner with a candidate.



The rest is at:
http://www.dennis4president.com/go/resources/dennis-on-campaign-finance-reform/
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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 09:38 PM
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8. hasnt kucinich also said something about
a runoff ballot?
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ginchinchili Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 11:41 PM
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11. Thanks, antigop. I believe Kucinich has it right.
It's a serious problem and threat to our democracy. Kucinich recognizes this.
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 10:47 PM
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10. So where are the links to the other candidates' positions on this thread? n/t
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