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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 01:14 AM
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"Obama Calls Edwards a Phoney" - MyDD
Edited on Sat Nov-10-07 01:46 AM by swag
http://www.mydd.com/story/2007/11/9/194126/773

From Holden Caulfied at MyDD:

It seems that Obama and I do agree on something. Today O'Barry said that John Edwards has totally reinvented himself to win support from tthe left just in to order further his own personnal ambition.

Obama's sharp attack on him in the Washington Post today by Richard Greene.

"John wasn't this raging populist four years ago when he ran" for the previous Democratic nomination, Obama said. "He certainly wasn't when he ran for the U.S. Senate. He was in the U.S. Senate for six years, and as far as I can tell wasn't taking on the lobbyists and special interests. It's a matter of, do you walk the walk that you talk?"

"If John wants to make the comparison between the work I did as a community organizer -- or as a civil rights attorney or as a state senator taking on special interests -- to him working as a trial lawyer making millions of dollars, I'm happy to have that discussion."

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ariesgem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 01:20 AM
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1. The upcoming debate in Nevada is going to be interesting..
:popcorn:
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 02:19 AM
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27. I agree.
Does Hillary attack anyone? She didn't in the last debate.

Does anyone attack anyone other than Hillary? That didn't happen much last time either.
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elizm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 06:03 AM
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35. Does Hillary attack anyone??? Please. nt
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 10:18 PM
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91. Yes, in the future debate.
Show me where she attacked anyone in the last debate. You can't because she didn't. I wonder if that will change in the next one.
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ariesgem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 08:28 PM
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83. ...
Edited on Sat Nov-10-07 08:29 PM by ariesgem
:rofl:
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 09:07 PM
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84. Edwards attacks Obama too
Edwards says Obama is living in a fantasy. Edwards says he's a fighter but Obama is not.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 09:28 AM
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40. The two puppies can't catch the front runner, so they're barking at each other....
Brilliant strategy, absolutely brilliant.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 09:33 PM
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89. oops
Edited on Sat Nov-10-07 09:34 PM by Skip Intro
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frankenforpres Donating Member (763 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 01:22 AM
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2. correct statement bad strategy
he should have the minions attack, and keep the smile on his face if he wants to win
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 01:25 AM
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3. His inexperience is really starting to show
I'm worried what will happen if he has to endure an 11-month general campaign.
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kelligesq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 01:33 AM
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5. Where was obama when Edwards was campaigning in 04? I was there n
he hasnt changed a bit from then to now.

He made millions taking personal injury cases, that means he
got 1/3 of the amounts he won for the injured who received
2/3.  Wish he was my personal injury lawyer.

What;s the matter with this spoiled arrogant brat?
For the past three weeks every time this guy opens his mouth
it gets worse and worse the nastiness, hatred coming out of
it.
Makes you wonder if he's an alcoholic, smoking something, or
on drugs...uneven irregular personality.
A real uniter.

So far has insulted the baby boomers which is the largest
voting block. The gays and lesbians. Those who fought for
civil rights in the 60's. I'm sure I'm leaving some out.

Reading his attack on the baby boomers decided me not to vote
for him, but I was going to write him and tell him why.  Now I
see it wouldnt matter.  There's something wrong with this guy
and we're lucky he's showing his true stripes now.
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buff2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 12:17 PM
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55. Amen!
I can't believe the hatred coming from this man. He's insulted too many people. I would never EVER vote for him. I've had enough of the nastiness and hatred coming from the GOPerverts. He doesn't represent what our party stands for. I can't wait for the primaries to be over so he'll be GONE!!
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 01:29 AM
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4. Takes an IDIOT to know an IDIOT.
Forget ALL the front runner IDIOTS and start looking to the back of the pack for REAL answers.
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Naturyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 01:33 AM
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6. Obama has no room to talk here.
Obama is making his way to the bottom of my list to join Hillary at record speed.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 01:34 AM
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7. John Edwards WAS taking on special interests...
..."as a trial lawyer making millions of dollars."

He sued companies making dangerous products like a swimming pool filter which ripped out a girl's insides.
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kelligesq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 01:38 AM
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9. Agreed . That's what I implied. Obama showing himself to be a real jerk. n/t
.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 01:35 AM
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8. What did he say that isn't a valid charge?
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 01:39 AM
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10. Not a thing, 100% correct
Precise reason I'm not in Edwards' camp. Do people really want truth telling? We'll see.
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kelligesq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 01:39 AM
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11. Nothing he said was valid or true. And he's not looking very nice at all.
n/t
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 01:43 AM
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16. Bashing John Edwards for being a trial lawyer. NT
NT
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 01:57 AM
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24. Defining differences between them--they're both lawyers.
Edited on Sat Nov-10-07 01:57 AM by wienerdoggie
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GreenArrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 10:23 AM
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45. actually, he's bashing him for being a phoney
two faced, forked tongue, disingenuous, plastic piece of shit.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 09:21 PM
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87. Why am I getting the feeling you don't like Edwards?
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liskddksil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 10:20 AM
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44. see post #41
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 10:47 AM
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49. Right. Edwards had his hallelujah moment late in the 2004 campaign..
Edited on Sat Nov-10-07 10:47 AM by Kahuna
It seems that he just happened upon the "two Americas" theme quite by accident. Then after seeing the positive press he received, he THEN started to take actions (after the 2004 elections) to catch up with the rhetoric just in time for the 2008 election. IOW, he put the cart before the horse.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 12:37 PM
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68. How do you know this?
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 01:40 AM
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12. That's true. But he's done a helluva good job of it.
Edited on Sat Nov-10-07 01:45 AM by BullGooseLoony
Edwards has really tuned in to the problems we're having with our party and BushCo. He relates it in all kinds of different ways- he's not just parroting talking points.

He demonstrates a thorough understanding of our general concerns. Whatever his motive is...well, I'm hoping his wife has something to do with it.
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medeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 01:40 AM
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13. hmmm..Obama feeling a bit threatened by Edwards?
I LIKE this! Edwards is my man
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surfermaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 09:19 PM
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86. Obama knows Edwards is the Winner!
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 01:41 AM
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14. Looking for the word "phoney"...can't find it..."totally reinvented himself" not
in there either...must be an honest mistake
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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 01:44 AM
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17. Was the MyDD headline.
They can account for it.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 01:46 AM
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18. Quotes might have been appropriate
to avoid the impression some might get that you have an agenda.
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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 01:47 AM
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20. Thank you.
Edit accomplished.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 01:49 AM
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23. .
:thumbsup:
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 01:42 AM
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15. Misleading title.
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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 01:48 AM
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22. A MyDD headline, now appropriately attributed.
Thanks for the feedback.
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 01:46 AM
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19. Well, all that is true. nt
Edited on Sat Nov-10-07 01:48 AM by calteacherguy
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 01:47 AM
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21. All I can say is "Now THIS is exactly what Obama and Edwards should be doing"
and as a Clinton supporter, I say that *cough* *cough* sincerely. (now where's that crossed fingers smilie?)
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 02:03 AM
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25. Edwards spent the years between 2004 and the present
studying the issues of poverty. He has changed. Obama is very young, too young perhaps to appreciate that people can change. Edwards grew up in small town working class America. Obama's background is in fact more privileged than that of Edwards. Edwards populism grows out of his experience. There is nothing surprising about it.

As a lawyer myself, I respect Edwards' work as a plaintiff's lawyer. Trial lawyers do not automatically make millions. Many, perhaps most trial lawyers make far less than Edwards. Edwards worked very hard and fought for his clients for years. For quite a number of years, I worked for a small nonprofit organization that assisted the homeless, which is different from but comparable to the work Obama did as a community organizer. I also work as a lawyer. Law is much more difficult. As a lawyer, you really fight for people. In many cases, the lawyers holds the client's economic future is in the lawyer's hands. It is a very, very stressful job. The responsibility is immense. A community organizer, even if working as a lawyer, does not have near that kind of responsibility or pressure.

I like Obama. He has a great personality and is a wonderful speaker. I agree with much of what he has done and says. But, his criticisms of Edwards reveal his immaturity and lack of experience in life. It is precisely the fact that Obama is not as mature and experienced as Edwards (and some of the other candidates) that causes me to prefer Edwards to Obama.

If you go to Edwards' website, you will hear him explain his frustration about the corrupt D.C. culture he saw while in the Senate. A senator gets to vote nay or yeah. There is not much in between, not much opportunity to have a say in the shape or content of the legislation you are called upon to vote Nay or Yeah on when you are in the Senate. A lot of bills are written by lobbyists. I agree that Edwards has changed a lot since 2004, but I see that as a positive thing. I think he has learned a lot. I did not support him in 2004.

I studied the candidates very carefully before choosing to support Edwards. Frankly, I think they are all capable, and I probably will vote for the Democratic nominee. The only candidate I have big doubts about is Hillary. I will not work for her, and, if I feel that I really need to vote for her, I'll be holding my nose as I do. I like Edwards the best because of my gut feeling that he has learned a lot and changed since 2004, because I believe he is now being very sincere, very much his own man, and because I like his programs and his ideals.

Is Edwards' change believable? Yes. Tragedy changes people. It destroys some. It strengthens others. Edwards has experienced two tragedies in his life. The first was the death of his son. It was that tragedy that caused him to decide actively to pursue politics. The second tragedy is the illness of his wife, Elizabeth. He learned of her illness right at the end of the 2004 campaign. It is very believable to me that the news of Elizabeth's illness brought him to think more carefully about his values. It is also very believable to me that his increased emphasis on strengthening the middle class, on social issues, on equal opportunity, etc., his move to a more progressive, socially concerned platform is the result of his reconsideration of his values upon learning of his wife's illness.

Actually, the shift in his focus is rather typical of people who face a difficult personal struggle. Please take another look at John Edwards. I hope Obama takes another look also.
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Hawkowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 02:25 AM
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28. Kudo's to you. Well written. nt
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Naturyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 02:29 AM
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30. Well-argued.
Edwards has the number 2 spot on my list (and he's gaining ground), while Obama and Hillary are #7 and #8.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 08:23 AM
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39. Edwards studied poverty post-2004?
Edited on Sat Nov-10-07 08:26 AM by BeyondGeography
Obama lived and worked in the south side of Chicago for three years when he got out of college, and he was paid a princely $12,000 per year for his pleasure. He has forgotten more about poverty and racism than John Edwards will ever know.

I have respect for the personal sufferings of the Edwards family and how this has led them to do good works. This is the life Obama has been living ever since he got out of college. Your claim that he is immature and lacks life experience is laughable; there is no more introspective candidate in either party. Read "Dreams of my Father" and tell me again how growing up fatherless (and often motherless) and bi-racial and learning how to love and accept a cast of familial characters that covers the whole spectrum of America adds up to no life experience.

I'm glad John Edwards has "evolved," and I have respect for his political skills. But he is, at the end of the day, a very strong campaigner with a brief political past marked by several very unfortunate choices.
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beaconess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 10:35 AM
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48. I wrote my post before I saw yours - we're obviously very much on the same page on this!
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kelligesq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 10:16 AM
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42. I worked for Edwards' campaign in 04. He was the same populist he is now
I'm disgusted with the democratic party or what used to be the dem party but is now the DLC , no difference between them and the republicans - and would vote for Kucinich and or Edwards this time, hoping if they dont get the nomination they'll switch over to independent
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beaconess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 10:32 AM
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46. Edwards spent the last 3 years studying poverty. Obama spent several years WORKING with the poor
Edited on Sat Nov-10-07 10:33 AM by beaconess
in poverty stricken areas helping empower them to advocate for themselves and improve their lives.

I like Edwards a lot - I think he's a good and decent man who is really trying to make a difference. And I think it's good that he's studying poverty in an effort to do something about it. He is able to do this without negatively impacting his lifestyle thanks to the millions he earned during his prime earning years as a lawyer. Not mad at him - he took on cases on behalf of people who had been hurt and really needed him. But he also made a hell of lot of money doing it.

Obama, on the other hand, does not have to study poverty. Despite the fact that he came out of Harvard Law School with a "I will tell you what I want you to pay me and you're going to pay me not a penny less than that" ticket in his back pocket, instead of going for the big bucks, he packed up his car and drove straight to the southside of Chicago and dug right in to the work that most people don't want to do. John Edwards built up a lucrative law practice during his first years out of law school; Barack Obama spent his first years out of law school building up a struggling community.

Again, I do not say this to criticize John Edwards in any way. I greatly respect admire him and his commitment. But I don't think it is fair to suggest that his last few years of studying poverty - from the comfort of several comfortable homes and a nestegg that's unlikely to be depleted even if spends like a drunken sailor and never works another day in his life - somehow trumps Obama's actual experience working on issues that matter when he could have been doing something much more lucrative and safe.

It's a shame I have to give this disclaimer, but it's become necessary on DU - To the more rabid supporters/opponents of the candidates that we're discussing: I do not have a candidate in this fight, so please spare me the "Obama Lover" "Edwards basher" flames - I just call them like I see them.
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 01:29 PM
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73. Well stated JD....methinks Obama needs to brush up on JE's history...
Snipped from and Oct 2001 article from:

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2001/0110.green.html


Civil Actions

Edwards has the sort of up-from-the-lower-middle-class "story" that's so effective on the campaign trial. He grew up in the small North Carolina town of Robbins, where his father worked in a textile mill and his mother ran a small store. Edwards has crafted his idyllic upbringing into a gently self-deprecating stump speech in which he pokes fun at himself as the "college boy" who got stuck with the worst jobs in the mill when he was home from North Carolina State. The speech is intended to extol the virtues of hard work---his own in particular---and identify with the "little guy," something at which he is uncommonly adept, all the way to his earthy choice of a college major (textile management), something he characterizes as job insurance in case he didn't get into law school. Of course, Edwards did get into law school at the University of North Carolina, where he met his wife, Elizabeth, and his future law partner, David Kirby.

Upon graduating, he moved to Tennessee to join former Republican Governor Lamar Alexander's law firm, which specialized in defending banks, insurance companies, and other corporations. In 1981, he returned to North Carolina, specifically to the politically well-connected Raleigh law firm of Wade Smith, a former Democratic Party state chairman, where he started a rapidly successful civil litigation division. He won his first multi-million dollar verdict in 1984, which he followed the next year with a $6.5 million verdict for a 6-year-old girl who'd suffered brain damage at Pitt Memorial Hospital---at the time, the largest verdict in state history. Edwards left in 1993 to start his own firm with Kirby.

Until he moved to the Senate, Edwards was a personal injury lawyer---the kind people most love to hate---and a very talented one. More than half his cases were medical malpractice suits. Many involved infants born with brain damage or other serious conditions that entail a lifetime of expensive medical care. Edwards also won cases against hospitals, cities, and corporations. "As a lawyer, he was the whole package," says Mike Dayton, editor of North Carolina Lawyers Weekly. "He's prepared, he's smart, and he's very personable." And he continued winning massive verdicts. In 1990, he was the youngest member inducted into The Inner Circle of Advocates, an invitation-only group of the nation's top 100 trial lawyers. By the mid-1990s, Edwards had become legendary. "After trials," recalls Howard Twiggs, a Raleigh lawyer and former president of ATLA, "jurors would approach Johnny and ask him for his card." It is said that insurance companies would suddenly become interested in settling when Edwards' name was added to a plaintiff's team. Edwards won a $7 million verdict for the parents of a 16-year-old who'd killed himself the day after being dismissed from a psychiatric hospital, an incredibly difficult case to win, Dayton says, because in North Carolina the plaintiff must prove that the entire burden of negligence lies with the defendant. In 1997, Edwards successfully sued a doctor for $23 million on behalf of the parents of a baby severely brain damaged by oxygen deprivation during labor.

The defining case in Edwards' legal career wrapped up that same year. In 1993, a five-year-old girl named Valerie Lakey had been playing in a Wake County, N.C., wading pool when she became caught in an uncovered drain so forcefully that the suction pulled out most of her intestines. She survived but for the rest of her life will need to be hooked up to feeding tubes for 12 hours each night. Edwards filed suit on the Lakeys' behalf against Sta-Rite Industries, the Wisconsin corporation that manufactured the drain. Attorneys describe his handling of the case as a virtuoso example of a trial layer bringing a negligent corporation to heel. Sta-Rite offered the Lakeys $100,000 to settle the case. Edwards passed. Before trial, he discovered that 12 other children had suffered similar injuries from Sta-Rite drains. The company raised its offer to $1.25 million. Two weeks into the trial, they upped the figure to $8.5 million. Edwards declined the offer and asked for their insurance policy limit of $22.5 million. The day before the trial resumed from Christmas break, Sta-Rite countered with $17.5 million. Again, Edwards said no. On January 10, 1997, lawyers from across the state packed the courtroom to hear Edwards' closing argument, "the most impressive legal performance I have ever seen," recalls Dayton. Three days later, the jury found Sta-Rite guilty and liable for $25 million in economic damages (by state law, punitive damages could have tripled that amount). The company immediately settled for $25 million, the largest verdict in state history. For their part, Edwards and Kirby earned the Association of Trial Lawyers of America's national award for public service.

Much more at link.
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surfermaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 09:26 PM
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88. Excellent
The Edwards campaign need many more post from you, Mr.Priestly...John is going to make it, if a person thinks deep enough you will see he is the only one of the three that can win the General Election... He is going to win in Iowa, I have no doubts.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 02:19 AM
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26. Ohhh... Sharp elbows. Edwards must be gaining traction.
I wonder if this is a one off attack by Obama or there is more to come. It almost seems unnatural to hear Obama criticize someone so sharply.
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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 02:28 AM
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29. Oh, snap.
:rofl:

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1932 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 02:39 AM
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31. I heard Obama on Tavis Smiley last week dropping his gerunds, and I wondered if he picked
Edited on Sat Nov-10-07 02:42 AM by 1932
that up at his Hawaiian prep school or at Columbia or Harvard.

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RadioLeft Donating Member (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 03:05 AM
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32. Which Obama?

Is this the Obama that attacked gays by proxy because Obama thinks the way to appeal to black evangelicals is assuming they are bigots and then pandering to their presumed bigotry?



Or, is that the Obama that attacked the activists of the 60's who worked for the civil rights he now enjoys and his opportunity to run for president and to be a U. S Senator instead of cleaning the toilets in the capital men's rooms?



No, it's the Obama that is out to destroy every Democratic candidate so that a Republican can win the presidency in 2008.

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Naturyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 03:42 AM
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33. Ouch... well put.
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buff2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 12:50 PM
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70. Thanks!
I couldn't have said it any better! :hi:
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 05:29 AM
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34. Great News For Hillary !!!
This was inevitable...

Hillary will the beneficiary of the these internecine disputes...And if not Hillary than a second tier candidate who doesn't have the support to hurt her...

Obama and Edwards...Carry on...

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Inspired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 07:16 AM
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36. Obama is still my #2 choice
but he is going after the wrong candidate.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 07:22 AM
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37. He's Going After JRE Because He Doesn't Want To Fall Into Third Place
Edited on Sat Nov-10-07 07:23 AM by DemocratSinceBirth
This is great news for Hillary...
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 08:01 AM
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38. Obvious points, which is why Edwards is stuck in third
Any scrutiny of his past record compared with his present incarnation will not be kind to the IWR co-sponsor.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 10:48 AM
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50. LOL! Exactly! Some of us have been paying attention.
:rofl:
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liskddksil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 10:04 AM
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41. The Edwards of 2004
that denounced the two Americas, one for the have and one for the havenots. Who made a bold move in mentioning the poverty issue. Who passionately argued that those who worked hard for a living were recieving a larger share of the tax burden than the wealthy. Who soared into second place in Wisconsin because he began to differ with other candidates on the free trade, by arguing against a deal that was being proposed. Who proposed a college for everyone plan that grants college tuition for kids willing to work at a state school (sound famaliar?). Contrary to belief, while he is more aggressive this time around, and has certainly evolved on the war, Edwards was very much a populist in his previous campaign.

On the lawyer issue, Edwards certainly made a lot of money. But it was at the expense of negligent corporations, such as a swimming pool manufacturer whose faulty drain which they know of, severly injured a young girl. Again nice try Senator Obama. So much for being the one who wanted an uplifting campaign that unites everyone.
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GreenArrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 10:19 AM
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43. You go, Obama!
Slap the snake oil out of 'im!
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 10:34 AM
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47. OUCH!!
That had to smart.
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laureloak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 11:11 AM
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51. Stupid. JRE is EXACTLY what he was in 04. Obama is phoney.
Obama is weak and wishy-washy. Can't Obama form an idea of his own? He's just an Edwards parasite!
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 12:11 PM
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53. LOL. Are you crazy? Edwards was not like this in 2004. He still backed his Iraq vote
And all the populist messages were missing back in 2004. Don't lie to yourself.
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laureloak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 01:31 PM
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74.  I worked as a volunteer for his campaign. You know nothing.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 12:52 PM
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71. Bwah! Obama's more of a leader than Edwards will ever be.
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laureloak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 01:32 PM
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75. Obama is bombing. He's a parasite with no ideas of his own.
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buff2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 12:08 PM
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52. the repukes will never have to run their slime machine on our candidates....
Obama is doing it for them. He should just STFU instead of trashing OUR side.I can't stand the sight of him. He's showing nothing but desperation and it will backfire on him big time.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 12:14 PM
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54. What a hypocritical load. If anyone has trashed their own, Edwards started it, not Obama.
Edited on Sat Nov-10-07 12:15 PM by mtnsnake
What, Edwards can make all kinds of personal attacks on Hillary, calling her just another corrupt extension of Bush, but Obama can't can't say anything about the almighty John Edwards?

Obama was spot on about Edwards.
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buff2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 12:18 PM
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56. I'm a baby boomer. He insulted ME!!!!
he can go to hell.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 12:19 PM
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57. I'm a baby boomer too, from SF. And I'm not insulted. NT
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 12:21 PM
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 12:23 PM
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59. I've been in more demonstrations and marches than you'll ever know. So don't
tell me to STFU.
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buff2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 12:25 PM
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61. Didn't you read my "sarcasm"???
I'M not telling you to STFU.....Obama is. Geez...
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 12:28 PM
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62. Obama is not saying anything of the sort. He's saying that endlessly refighting
"culture wars" has gotten us to an impasse and that we have to work another way.
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buff2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 12:30 PM
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64. Trashing his opponents......
is not setting a very good example,is it? He should practice what he preaches.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 12:31 PM
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66. If you noticed, he did not "trash" Edwards — he said he "reinvented himself",
which is the truth. It's the person who made the post at MyDD who hates Obama and wanted to stir the pot that made it about "phony".
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buff2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 12:34 PM
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67. I would never vote for him regardless.
He doesn't have the experience we need in a President. A fine example is what we have now. We don't need another one.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 12:28 PM
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63. Telling a fellow DUer to STFU?
Ack!
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buff2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 12:31 PM
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65. why can't you people READ????
I left the SARCASM emoticon. For cripes sake go back and re-read my post.
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DutchLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 12:24 PM
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60. Agreed. That's why I don't support Edwards, but a REAL progressive.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 12:38 PM
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69. Excellent and well said, Barack! n/t
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 01:03 PM
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72. eeks, despiration on obama's part!
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laureloak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 01:34 PM
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76. Obama is a phoney. Obama is a phoney. Obama is a phoney.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 08:23 PM
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82. That's Not Nice
DSB
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laureloak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 01:41 PM
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77. Let's make this an Obama - Edwards contest.
I'm eager to see if Obama can come up with anything that didn't come from the Edwards camp first. Somehow I doubt it.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 01:43 PM
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78. I like the boys better when they beat up on the frontrunner.
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dugggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 01:54 PM
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81. The front runner is already self-destructing
Edited on Sat Nov-10-07 01:56 PM by dugggy
with her planted questions and ambiguous answers on
driver's licenses to illegal aliens. I am moving towards
Obama slowly but surely. He is displaying "leadership" more
than Hillary and Edwards. He is not afraid to take a non-
populist position. That is a leadership quality.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 01:45 PM
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79. Obama finally figured out who's holding him back. That said, the charge is kinda bogus.
Edwards was talking about the "two Americas" ad nauseum before anyone was even asking "Obama who?"

It's not a reinvention. As an upstart himself, he needs to learn not to act so entitled.
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dugggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 01:49 PM
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80. I must agree with Obama on Edwards being a phony
Edited on Sat Nov-10-07 01:51 PM by dugggy
After all Edwards spent a lifetime weaving yarns to
fool hand picked jury pools (lawyers like dumber the better).
You can't change habits cultivated over a lifetime easily.

So, now I have TWO major statements from Obama on which I agree.
The above and attacking Pakistan's Waziristan province to ferret
out Obama and his gang. Obama is making more sense everyday.
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surfermaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 09:17 PM
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85. APhony, who is now being addressed by the name Barry,
I don't think his name is Oaboma, Who cares what work he has done, Edwards isn't a phony, and I bet he hasn't taken Republican money to try to take votes away from Hillary!
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 09:36 PM
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90. This attack mode crap is making them both look bad
though it's about time somebody let Edwards have a taste of his own medicine
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itsrobert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 10:28 PM
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92. That's funny, Obama calling someone else a Phony.
;)
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MalloyLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 10:47 PM
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93. So much for Mr. New Kind of Politics, Mr. Positive
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