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Faryn Balyncd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 08:44 AM
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Hagel: "I will see what the options are" . . . . . . (may back a Democrat in 2008) . . . . .
Edited on Sat Nov-10-07 09:13 AM by charles t





In this latest blast from the retiring Sen. Hagel,

(his most explicit statement to date came at the very end of the article):






Hagel Calls Giuliani, Clinton `Cowboys' for Comments on Iran


Rudy Giuliani and Hillary Clinton were ``recklessly irresponsible'' and acting like ``cowboys'' for rejecting calls for direct talks with Iran over its nuclear program, charged Senator Chuck Hagel, a top Republican lawmaker.

Hagel, a member of the Foreign Relations Committee who supports talks, was critical of Giuliani, the top Republican contender, and Clinton, a New York senator and leader of the Democratic field, for lambasting presidential rival Barack Obama, who proposed such discussions. . . . .


. . . . . .


Hagel, who decided not to run for re-election next year and has ruled out a presidential bid, said he wouldn't endorse anyone in the Republican primary.

Yet he said he may back a candidate from either political party or an independent in the general election.

``I will see what the options are,''
he said.



. . . . . . http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601070&sid=a0h8abc0d1tM&refer=home







It's been clear that Hagel's statements, especially since announcing his retirement, have been totally inconsistent with supporting whoever ends up on the warmongering GOP ticket in 2008.



Hagel's statements are NOT the words of a "My party right or wrong" Republican:

- - GOP Senator Hagel: "The Republican Party Has Won Two Elections On...Fear And Terrorism...It's Going To Try Again"

- - Think Progress: Hagel Suggests Possibility Of Bush Impeachment: ‘He’s Not Accountable Anymore’



(Somehow it seems doubtful one will ever see Hagel wearing a "Guiliani for President" shirt.)









Hagel has now crossed the Rubicon . . . . . specifically stating he may back a Democrat (or perhaps some other non-Republican) in the 2008 general election.



IF the Democratic ticket is led by someone (Biden, Obama, Edwards, Richardson, Dodd, Kucinich come to mind) committed to ending the occupation, and avoiding unending war with Iran (& others), Hagel is likely to PUBLICLY SUPPORT the Democratic ticket in 2008.

Hagel's sentiments are shared by a significant number of purple state independents, just the kind of voter that went strongly Democratic in 2006.






The flip side of this reality, unfortunately, is that a DLC strategy of attempting to appeal to "the center" by running a hawkish, pro-war Democrat, instead of standing for our values (and those of the great majority of Americans) is misguided . . . and a recipe for defeat.

The winning strategy . . . the way to deserve the continued support of independents (and disillusioned Republicans) . . . is to run a candidate strongly committed to ending the occupation, avoiding unending war, and reversing the constitutional abuses of 8 years of Bush/Cheney.



Which strategy will we choose?







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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 08:49 AM
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1. This is a lot to absorb on a Saturday morning.
I may do an I V expresso and then come back to this one.

May need a couple blueberry bagels as well.

I guess one thought is that Hagel's comments on Iraq generally serve as a gauge for how badly the Republicans are positioned in 2008.

Not just in the presidential race, either.

I want to like Hagel more but that overall voting record is appalling.

But he does seem to have his wits about him on Iraq.
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 08:51 AM
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2. On a smaller note
Obama may be the most likely to give a big post to Hagel, a big mistake in my book, as it would signal the new guy was going to take a bipartisan route with nothing but scoundrels and fatal compromises to cripple his path to "something new".

Somehow in these considerations Dems forget that consistent strong action, fair media and fair elections would make all leanings to any Republican merely an act of improvident charity.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 10:39 AM
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8. I dont' think that would be a mistake at all. There are talented and honorable
people in both parties (well, less so in the Repub party, but still)--why not use them? Hagel's not a scoundrel.
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 10:53 AM
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9. Agree. I think it would be an interesting and courageous choice
It would nicely counterbalance some of the perceived weaknesses that many say Obama has, it would show inclusiveness, add gravitas and foreign policy experience, etc. That said, I don't think it is likely to happen.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 09:18 AM
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3. I wonder if he regrets not supporting Kerry in 2004
They were and are far closer on foreign affairs issues than he is with Bush.
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Faryn Balyncd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 10:04 AM
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5. He looks like a man who has many regrets . . . . . . . .





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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 10:15 AM
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6. Not on that picture, but imore recently he certainly does
Edited on Sat Nov-10-07 10:49 AM by Inuca
look like a man with many regrets. It is quite striking how he seems to have aged in just a few short years....
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 10:21 AM
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7. Good point, nicely stated.
:toast:
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laureloak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 09:24 AM
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4. Man, I'd like to see an Edwards/Biden ticket. n/t
Edited on Sat Nov-10-07 09:25 AM by laureloak
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