So what do people think about Bill Clinton calling Hillary's competitors "those boys"?

He said, "Even though those boys have been getting kind of tough on her lately, she can handle it." Does anyone have a problem with that? I think he's whining (again) that the other candidates DARE fairly criticize her and not give her a crown! If he's going to come out every time she has things about her pointed out, how is she tough and able to "turn up the heat"? I think Bill's making her look weaker each time he speaks. Poor little Hillary needs her husband to protect her from "those boys."

and send out his surrogates to accuse the Clinton campaign of racism.

I wouldn't. He has momentum and it seems people are starting to see the Bill-Hill tag team and they don't like it.

(word) The GLBT Community and Baby Boomers..

Obama's only accomplishment to date, is his speech given at the 2004 Nomination.

to debate in this thread??? Why not? or have you been instructed not to debate? only bash?
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I saw her on TV.

That's sarcasm. I don't believe it, she's an amazing human and he doesn't need her to stick up for him, he does just fine. I typed that subject line to highlight the hypocrisy of DU.
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I think it's great that Bill Clinton is out defending his wife. Just as I love it when Michele Obama stands up for her husband and Elizabeth Edwards fight for her guy.

This is a non-issue.

When everyone ganged up on Obama after his statement that he'd meet unconditionally with our enemies, his wife didn't complain that everyone's ganging up on him. :shrug:

But I don't think that Bill Clinton needs to take his cues from Michele Obama - anymore than she should take her cues from him.

Elizabeth Edwards has gone after people who have gone after her husband. More power to her. She's even gone so far as to suggest that he's at a disadvantage because he's a white man.

Frankly, I think going after spouses for what they say is foolish and a mere distraction. If you don't like what they're saying, that's your business - don't vote for their husbands or wife. But trying to convince the rest of us that WE should also be offended by anything that the spouse of a candidate that YOU don't like has said is really a waste of time, in my book.

EE HAS gone after people. Look at Edwards' campaign. I'm stating how I feel about it. You don't have to like it or agree with it.

It's not about whether one's spouse is "tough" enough - all of the candidates are tough - much tougher than any of us who sit on our computers trashing them everytime they do or don't do something according to our expectations.

Frankly, I think it's silly to whine about what anyone's spouse says or try to use that to convince others that they shouldn't support the candidate that they like.

If you don't want to support Clinton or Edwards, that's your business. But complaining about what their spouse says or claiming that their comments in some way show whether their spouse is tough or not is really a reach.

They followed it with HRC saying (again.....and I paraphrase here) that "if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. Well, ladies, I'm comfortable in the kitchen"
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It annoyed me the first time she spouted it, and it hasn't improved in the retelling.

I love BC, but he and she are getting annoying in this strategy.

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That is the main thrust of the attack.

For no good reason?

A few minutes ago the meme was he was defending his poor whittle wife, make up your mind.

And while I would prefer that Bill not attack other Democrats (indeed he has refrained from saying much about the others), seeing him do so in his sublime fashion did make me smile.

He was defending her against non-existent attacks. He better stop that if she wants to continue to claim to be the one who can take the heat. It made ME do this: :eyes:

What color is the sky on your world?

they did NOT attack Hillary. They fairly criticized her/pointed out their differences. Bill took those things as "attacks."

Today it was grey.

You seem rather desperate to characterize obvious attacks as nothing?

You do know that in a primary candidates attack one another?

How did they attack her? How is telling the truth "attacking" someone?

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An example is having the RNC, the media and Hillary's opponents all say at once she's hiding behind Bill. If they can hurt her enough with that accusation it will force her to take Bill out of the race. She's quite capable of defending herself but Bill is a big asset to lose.

Its not about issues this time. Its bare knuckles politics.

Hillary avoids answering a question or answers it two different ways in two minutes, her opponents call her on it, the media shows the clips, and then Bill comes out and whines about "those boys" getting tough on her (yet saying it's ok, she can take it). She brings it on herself.

She thinks that comprehensive immigration control is a better alternative than driver's licenses for illegal aliens. However, since comprehensive immigration reform isn't here yet, she supports Spitzer doing what he can.

She was asked if what Spitzer is doing made sense and she said yes. Spitzer isn't crazy and he's doing what he can with a bad situation. She was asked a different question, whether the plan makes sense, in that do you agree with the plan and she said its not the best plan.

Try following Edwards' answers on this ones. Way more twists and turns than Hillary has.

Yes, first she said it made sense. Then when Dodd said she said it made sense she said, "No I didn't." There ya go.

I couldn't care less what Edwards' answers are. He's a phony.

One was Spitzer, the other was the plan.

I deeply respect your evaluation of John Edwards.

billary on the "boys" kick oozes despicable "code" across the board and THEY BOTH KNOW IT ... puke!

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You have two candidates who face issues with perceived leadership qualities and a lack of experience, by referring to them as boys Bill reinforces that.

or help. She runs on being tough. I don't see it when her husband has to come out and whine about "those boys" daring to call her on her qualities.

By referring to those two as boys, he is being very specific in his attack on their credibility as leaders and the perception of their experience level.

Is there a risk? Sure.

Much as there was a risk with Edwards doing most of his early attacks thru surrogates like his wife.

Or Obama doing the "politics of hope" while his oppo team sharpened their knives.

She keeps claiming that SHE'S the tough one. She's not.

Edwards is tanking.

Obama didn't give up the politics of hope. He's pointing out real differences.

So far in this thread it went from why is Bill casting this as gender to why is Bill attacking Democrats to Hillary needs her man to defend her.

Do you think you are being subtle?

This was the content of my OP:

He said, "Even though those boys have been getting kind of tough on her lately, she can handle it." Does anyone have a problem with that? I think he's whining (again) that the other candidates DARE fairly criticize her and not give her a crown! If he's going to come out every time she has things about her pointed out, how is she tough and able to "turn up the heat"? I think Bill's making her look weaker each time he speaks. Poor little Hillary needs her husband to protect her from "those boys."

Are these your words or not ?

"Why can't she handle a debate without her husband coming out to defend her"

You are obvious jenmito. But thanks for displaying it for others.

Yes, those are my words. What's your point, rinsd?

You are trying to portray Hillary was a weak woman in need of her husband while not coming out and saying it because you know that will lead to direct confrontation.

So you post a "concern" post. These are almost always stealth(well stealth being debatable since they tend to be obvious) hit pieces on candidate by another candidate's supporter. Wherein they discuss the meme they want to push while feigning concern about the other candidate. You did everything in your post but say "I am concerned" at the start of your post.

I said exactly what I meant! I'm not trying to hide anything!

Few will walk away confused as to the message you wished to impart to them.

I couldn't care less if nobody's confused.

Good one, rinsd.

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as one of his selling points.

No, that was a direct slap by ol' Bill, using boys in any sort of competition is a put down to a greater or lesser degree. The fact that since he isn't running probably has him thinking that he can be rude and crude. Perhaps he needs to realize that it simply reflects badly on his wife's campaign.

He's fine. :)

as 'your boy'. Bobby Knight is Kornheiser's 'boy', etc. "Tony, guess what your boy, Bobby Knight has done now." They also use this phrase for black men.

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are you saying you won't vote for him if he's the nominee?

Are you a Democrat or not?

I'm sure Edwards/Obama can take care of themselves. They have no problem piling on but now they don't want any criticism themselves?:silly:

Please...

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as a non-baby boomer, a member of a younger generation than the Clintons.

Obama tries to insult the Clintons by pretending he's in another, better, generation. Clinton's responding in kind.

Not good!

You're a story in search of a bullshit meme.

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one is proved wrong.*shakes head in disbelief*

I don't believe you're a Democrat. :eyes:

In fact, he's always been near or at the top of my list.

It's just some of his supporters that I wouldn't vote for.

a common RW tactic.

"As long as he doesn't single out Obama with that term." :eyes:

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In the south, men commonly refer to each other as boys -- as in good ole boys. It's not the word that is racist, it is all about context.

Keep piling on?:shrug:

And I don't blame him.

It doesn't look good on the political stage.
OTOH, Bill would be in the White House to come rushing in everytime Hillary needs "protecting".

I thought Hillary said at Wellesley that she could compete in the boy's club.

Bill has gotten a lot of criticism here lately for backing Hillary up.I ask...what would you expect him to do?

I need some clarification before I can formulate an answer to the OP.

"Even though those boys have been getting kind of tough on her lately, she can handle it." It wasn't just Obama he was talking about.

And no, that wouldn't be racist.

In the south men commonly refer to each other as boys -- as in "good ole boys."

I was repeating what another poster said...

I think Bill is trying to remind voters of how boys pick on girls in grade school, and of how sex discrimination never ends, no matter how old the boys get.

Women know that, and some men know it, too.

But I'm not at all convinced Hillary is being discriminated against by the male candidates. If you're the leading candidate, the others have to go after you. If you, or your husband, claim it's because you're a girl, that's not going to set well with a lot of voters.

Childish language.

only she can call herself a girl.

Obama was attacked by a few people here for calling his wife his "girl."

There are real issues that really matter in this election.

This is beyond trivial.

Big deal.

too cute by a half...

There it's only too cute by a tenth.

It's not just a Southern thing.

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Those mean boys are picking on her, but she's all right.

And if they're smart, they'll needle him back, rather than get all huffy about it.

only Hillary and her camp has gotten all huffy about being criticized.

But without any name calling, i will say that i am an Edwards supporter.

and s/he called him "Barack Hussein Obama."

What's the response number...

now one of the 'girls.' Of course she can handle it....she put up with him for years.

I haven't heard anyone complaining that George is whining or not strong enough to defend himself from criticism.

McCain had his 95 year old mother get on national TV to say Johnnie isn't too old to run for president. Haven't heard one single person or media source say poor Johnnie had to have his 95 year old mother come to his defense.

Didn't Elizabeth Edwards call up Ann the man on TV and bawl her out for picking on her husband?

Julie got on TV and defended Ruddy

Michele has probably defended Barack at one time or other. Right?

How come Bill can't defend/explain his wifes statements or positions...especially since the media blew them all out of portion?
Why is it OK for everyone else to do the same thing for their loved one without criticism...except for Hillary?

Jen, you ALWAYS have a negative post about Hillary at EVERY possible occasion? You seem obsessed with Hillary hatred. Calm down my friend and ask yourself before you post if your being fair. Sorry Jen, but needed to be said. If you really think about it...you'll agree. :shrug:

(I am a touch typist)

Reminds me of Barbara Bush saying she wanted to get into it with John Kerry for attacking her precious Georgie.

Is he going to step in if the leaders of other countries are mean to her too?

Although, of course, he couldn't have meant it to be a racist slur.

He just meant to demean everyone other than Hillary in a very childish way.

...and that's how he speaks.

the man went to Yale, Oxford, and Georgetown, and hasn't lived in Arkansas since he became president, has lived in D.C. and NYC and traveled all over the world.

I've lived in the South long enough to speak Southern with Southerners but with others I speak neutral American so as not to confuse them.

Bill is using Southern speak to hep his lil lady, bless his heart. Isn't that nice?

I believe Obama is the much needed new blood for changed leadership ideas,

"I'm your girl . . . "

I have no problems with Kucinich or Edwards criticism of her ---

I'm not sure of others or GOP --

But it does nothing to help Hillary, first off using the term "boys" was a mistake, but more importantly it makes Hillary look weak. That being said, based upon some of the HRCers outrage over "girls" then Obama supporter should have the same fake outrage over "boys". Based upon the lack of responses to boys I have to say Obama wins! Get used to it, it is just the start of Obama Wins!

picking on his girl HIllary

I did a lot for him in 1992 and ever since his second term, I've lost faith in his real interests. He is a liability to his wife's campaign, as was evident in him not being at the JJ dinner the other night. They know the deal.

What's the big deal? Guys often refer to each other as "boys". My male friends are my boys, as in "Yo this is my boy Mike". When I'm going drinking with co-workers I tell my wife I'm going out with the boys. When I greet my band I say "What's up boys?" and so on and so forth. You're reaching for shit here.

"Those boys" are beating up his wife is the intended message, imo.

Sorry Bill, your girl will have to handle it or stop whining.

I see it neither as whining nor sexism. I don't even see it as Pres. Clinton riding to her protection. I perceive Pres. Clinton only implying that it's a rough campaign and he believes his wife is up to the task-- nothing more, nothing less.

That being said, I realize that many people will interpret it differently-- so be it. However, as I have neither chosen nor ruled out any candidate as of yet, I don't really have any emotional stakes coloring (whether for good or for ill) my interpretations of what any of the candidates (or their family, or their staffs) are saying.

If one of the other candidates had referred to Hillary as a "girl", it would be WWIII.

Referring to one's female colleagues as "girls" will get you an EEOC complaint faster than you can turn your head.

A southern man referring to a group of men just doesn't get my hackles up.

What about "our boys in uniform?"

The Beatles were referred on album covers as "four boys from Liverpool." In a collective, it's different.

parsing it isn't really necessary.

Right. "Those boys" vs. his girl. :eyes:

and if it was said in a vaccuum that's one thing. But it is part of a pattern developing.

I reject this bullshit excuse that it is Southern talk, so was using "Colored" to refer to African-Americans!

Every time Bill comes galloping to Hillary's rescue, he makes her look weak. Hillary should send Bill on a very long goodwill tour, and keep him away from the campaign.

She might as well start now, because if Hillary becomes President, there is only room for one President in the Oval Office.

Lets eviscerate the competition and get this over with.

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She can't handle it on her own.

his position on unconditional meetings with our enemies, for example?

So let them activate. They'll BOTH lose.

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from when we both wanted Wes Clark to run. :)

and say that she can be a tough leader while whining everytime someone disses or criticises her. That's grown up politics Bill. You can't treat her like a spoiled child.

because this one ain't working.