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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 07:03 PM
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Edwards calls for increase in H1B visas during talks with Silicon Valley
The 54-year-old former U.S. senator and vice presidential candidate promises that an Edwards presidency will feature an ambitious proposal—fueled by public-private partnerships—to provide high-speed broadband access to all U.S. homes and businesses by 2010.

Edwards' yen for a change in direction, and deeper government involvement in broadband policies, extends to his broader technology platform.

He is calling for patent reform, increased H-1B visas, and pumped up federal spending on education, science, technology and innovation.

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2216265,00.asp
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 07:04 PM
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1. Where is Edwards quoted as saying he wants an increase in H-1B visas?
Link?
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 07:10 PM
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3. There's a link in the OP.
Edited on Wed Nov-14-07 07:24 PM by rinsd
That is article is where I got it from. I did not see a direct quote from Edwards.

(on edit: I posted this without realized the whole blog attack Edwards) Here's blog quoting a San Jose Mercury News interview

WRIGHT: Congress and the president failed to pass any kind of immigration-reform legislation. There are still two key aspects of immigration reform that are important to California: the H-1B visa and agricultural workers. What would you do about these two specific areas? And why do you think you might be successful in getting some progress?

EDWARDS: Regarding the H-1B visa question: I think it is important for us to have available, for the work that’s being done here in this valley, plus all over the country, the talent and the mental capacity we need. So the H-1B visa program is important; it should be expanded, based on the needs that exist. Also important is that America needs to be doing a much better, more-effective job in producing, from our own young people, the talent pool that can perform these jobs, and my view is that we are not concentrating on science and math the way that we need to. We’re not concentrating on graduate education in those areas the way we need to. But immigration is a very hot topic out there in America, and a very divisive topic. You can be in front of a group of progressive Democrats, and there will be a lot of people in the room who want to know what you’re going to do about the illegal immigrants, and they’re not thinking about a path to citizenship. Secondly, I do think we should be tougher on employers who are knowingly violating the law, and in many cases, abusing workers. But the third piece, and this is the more controversial one, I do think that there should be a path to citizenship, and it needs to be a meaningful path to citizenship. I think the path that was in the bill that was last considered by the Senate was completely unrealistic. I mean most undocumented workers in America would never meet that standard, which means they would never become American citizens. And I don’t want to live in a country that’s made up of first-class citizens and second-class laborers. That’s not America.

WARNING - This link is to an anti-Edwards website which has a summary http://jre-whatsnottolike.com/2007/09/03/edwards-expand-hb1-visas-path-to-citizenship/

Here's the direct link to the San Jose Mercury News article which requires registration

http://www.mercurynews.com/opinion/ci_6790508?nclick_check=1
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Tejanocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 07:17 PM
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8. Thanks for the link to Hillary's mudslinging anti-Edwards site (your homepage?)
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 07:19 PM
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11. Sorry, I did not even realize that.
Edited on Wed Nov-14-07 07:24 PM by rinsd
It has a link to the San Jose Mercury News but that requires registration

http://www.mercurynews.com/opinion/ci_6790508?nclick_check=1
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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 07:18 PM
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10. Are you fucking kidding me?
Oh, man, god love the working American, eh?
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 10:38 PM
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42. Edwards is just endorsing the Dem Senate bill that cut the expansion to 400,000 (still too high) w/
no exemption for India. H1 at 400,000 and H2 (laborers) at 200,000 was where to stood when it stopped moving forward.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/23/AR2007052301230.html

the bipartisan 74 to 24 vote trimmed a program that could have admitted as many as 600,000 laborers a year down to 200,000, a level that proponents said would minimize the risk that participants would depress wages and replace U.S. workers.

The immigration compromise envisioned a program that could issue 400,000 two-year work visas a year, renewable up to three times, provided the laborers left the country for a year between each stint. If the demand for workers is high, the number of visas could rise to as many as 600,000 a year.


Some H-1B applications are not counted against the cap. These include applications by institutions of higher education, affiliated nonprofits, or nonprofit or governmental research organizations; applications by J-1 holders who have obtained a waiver through the State 30 program; and applications for extensions of stay or new employment where the person has already been counted in the last six years and the person has not been out of the country for a full year.


Senate Bill Gives U.S. Workers First Dibs on Tech Jobs
DATE: 06-APR-2007
By Deborah Perelman
One of the longest-running defenses of the hotly debated H-1B temporary worker visa program is that there are simply not enough U.S. workers to fill out many corporations' programming, engineering and back-office positions, leaving them no choice but to hire workers from overseas.

A new Senate bill—introduced in the final moments before Congress departed for its spring recess at the end of last week—takes this argument to task, demanding that employers make a "good faith" effort to hire a U.S. worker before bringing in a H-1B worker.

The Senate Bill, introduced by Sens. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) and Dick Durbin (D-Ill.), puts the onus on employers to prove that they have gone to lengths to ensure that the visa-holder would not be displacing a prospective U.S. employee.

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In addition to making a "good faith" effort to hire a U.S. worker, employers will be required to advertise job openings for 30 days on the Department of Labor's Web site before submitting applications to hire H-1B workers. The DOL would also be required to post on its site summaries of all the H-1B applications it receives.

Employers would also be prohibited from advertising positions only to H-1B holders. Though this practice is already considered illegal, many argue that that this type of discrimination against U.S. workers does indeed exist.



Other stipulations of the Senate bill demand that companies with 50 or more workers are not allowed to employ more than half of their staff through H-1B visas.

Companies that take advantage of the H-1B program would also have to prove that they were paying H-1B workers the prevailing wage for their positions. The new measure would calculate wages differently, raising the minimum for each position from its current dollar amount.

The Senate bill would also increase the power of the DOL to conduct random audits of employers that use H-1B visas. Currently, they can only investigate applications for "completeness and obvious inaccuracies." If these new provisions are passed, the DOL would be check for clear indicators of fraud and misrepresentations of fact. It would also double the review period for each application from one to two weeks.

Finally, the measure would authorize the DOL to hire 200 additional employees to administer, oversee and enforce the H-1B program.
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 07:06 PM
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2. How will bringing in more low wage labor help the working person? NOT AT ALL.
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Tejanocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 07:15 PM
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6. An H-1B visa is not for low wage labor. It's limited to hire temporary help from skilled foreigners
who have the equivalent U.S. Bachelor's Degree education. H-1B employees are employed temporarily in a job category that is considered by the U.S. Citizenship & Immigration Services to be a "specialty occupation" (i.e., an occupation that requires a specialized knowledge).
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 07:33 PM
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14. No, it is qualified jobs that are paid 50 % what a qualified US person would have,
The the qualified person has to take a less qualified job, taking the place of somebody who would have needed the job and so on.

Clear that you are not in the IT field.
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 07:45 PM
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20. Funny they are awarded with no regard for experience or training. The ones I have met are a bunch
fucking lemmings running around sleeping 5 to a bed and killing the IT labor market.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 07:17 PM
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7. H-1B visas are for speciality occupations, not "low wage"
Edited on Wed Nov-14-07 07:17 PM by Bluebear
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 07:33 PM
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15. How is it better? Do you think they are as well paid as their US equivalents?
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 08:11 PM
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31. I didn't say it was better.
Edited on Wed Nov-14-07 08:15 PM by Bluebear
I was just pointing out to the poster that these visas are not "low wage" visas, as people might think about for maids. Also, I see no citation of this story other than in this "eweek" blog, so I would like to hear confirmation from the campaign.
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 07:48 PM
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22. Low wage is relative. Well paid in India is low wage in Dallas. Do not try to feed me the
party line I would choke on that BULL SHIT.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 08:10 PM
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30. Sorry, your anger is misdirected at me. When people hear "low wage" they think tomato pickers, OK?
Edited on Wed Nov-14-07 08:15 PM by Bluebear
Also, I see no citation of this story other than in this "eweek" blog, so I would like to hear confirmation from the campaign.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 07:11 PM
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4. federal spending on education, science, technology and innovation for H1Bs?
Or just federal spending on education, science, technology and innovation?

Patent reform? Good luck.

Deeper government involvement -- how so?
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 07:15 PM
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5. He voted for them as a senator
but I thought he was running as protector of US unions this time around.
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Tejanocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 07:26 PM
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13. What union are you taking about? The doctors union? The lawyers union? H-1B visas are to hire
professionals on a temporary basis, not to hire labor.
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 07:34 PM
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16. I'm talking about the unions who've endorsed him
Edited on Wed Nov-14-07 07:46 PM by seasonedblue
with the understanding that he was against free trade for any reason, including allowing 'professionals' from other countries to work in American markets. Are RN's covered under these H1-b visas?

On edit: RN's are allowed to work in this country using H1-b visas, and many US RN's are dues paying union members.
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Texas_Kat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 07:37 PM
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18. You don't work in technology, do you....?
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 11:30 PM
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43. so professional jobs don't count when it comes to saving jobs ?
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laureloak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 07:17 PM
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9. Whenever I see your avatar I know not to believe a damn word.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 07:23 PM
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12. You don't have to believe me.
Edited on Wed Nov-14-07 07:26 PM by rinsd
Believe e-week who published it. Or your candidate who said it.

Or just pretend your candidate is for things he's against and against things he is for.

Edwards would prefer the latter.

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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 07:41 PM
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19. rinsd just happens to be one of the most credible posters on this forum
Now run along...
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 07:49 PM
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23. "Credible" in what way?
Can you document this "credibility"?
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 08:00 PM
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25. Rinsd and I hardly ever agree, but he's as fair as anyone here.
Perhaps you're the one we should mistrust, seeing as though you obviously hate anyone not kissing your ass.
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 08:31 PM
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35. That's how I feel about you Forkboy
Edited on Wed Nov-14-07 08:31 PM by seasonedblue
I may disagree with you on some things, but I think you're pretty fair yourself. I've actually seen you say you were wrong on occasion, and that always boost someone's credibility for me lol.

Rinsd is one of the good guys around here, we agree on that. :-)
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 08:35 PM
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36. I'm wrong so often that no one should take me seriously.
Edited on Wed Nov-14-07 08:35 PM by Forkboy
I don't. :D

And thanks!
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 08:23 PM
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33. Well, you're wrong. rinsd is fairly balanced, at least as much as you...
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 07:37 PM
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17. One of the reasons I do not support him - The workers's world does not stop at a factory
or a store. There are many, many qualified workers that have lost their jobs to H-1Bs and globalization.

Apparently, only blue-collars matter to Edwards.
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 07:48 PM
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21. Uh, duh??? It was HILLARY who voted for the the Comprehensive Illegal Immigration Bill
Edited on Wed Nov-14-07 07:49 PM by brentspeak
That bill, had it passed, would have allowed for 400,000 guest workers a year and an unlimited number of Indian H-1B visa workers.

And yes, it was Hillary Clinton who voted for it.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 08:03 PM
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26. I'm sorry. Did I claim somewhere that Hillary was against H1B's?
:shrug:
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 07:56 PM
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24. Edwards has always been a very strong union backer.
I remember from 04 him really caring about working people.
I think this is just a rumor post or something.
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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 08:07 PM
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27. Is there any choice in the top candidates?
And Hillary thinks offshoring is good.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 08:08 PM
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28. Hillary is also for increased H1Bs.
I'm not sure about the others.
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 08:09 PM
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29. Here's Edwards' actual, detailed views regarding H-1B visas:
http://www.ifpte.org/Downloads/Archives/Outlook/JulSept07_final.pdf

Question: Will you support legislative and regulatory efforts aimed at protecting American high-tech workers from the importation of low cost high tech labor through guest worker visa programs such as H-1B and L-1?

Answer: Businesses should not be allowed to misuse the H-1B and L-1 guest worker programs to hire foreign workers who will just work for less when American workers are capable of doing the work. In the H-1B program, labor law violations grew by 133% between 2000 and 2005. And there has been wide publicity about abuses of the L-1 program to outsource U.S. jobs. Guest workers may be necessary to America's economy where there are worker shortages, but I will eliminate abuses of the program by strengthening labor law enforcement, and requiring employers to demonstrate that they could not recruit American workers and that they pay the prevailing wage. I will also increase the employer fee in the H-1B visa program, with the resources continuing to support science and math education because we must prepare more Americans for high-paying jobs of the future.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 08:15 PM
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32. Notice he never admits to that union that he is for the increase of H1Bs
Like he did when he talked to Silicon Valley.

Everything is carefully couched.

The many faces of John Edwards.

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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 08:26 PM
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34. Notice that Edwards proposes to do away with H-1B visas from replacing American workers
His proposal mandates that companies pay H-1B workers the prevailing wage. That effectively stymies any company who would misuse the H-1B simply to hire cheap foreign labor. Edwards' actions would once-and-for-all protect American workers.

That's also a 100% difference compared to Hillary Clinton's proposals.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 12:07 PM
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51. Clinton's voted on bills so we know where she stands.
Edwards is blowing smoke up your ass.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 08:36 PM
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37. Can you cite just one other source for this "H-1B story" other than this "eweek" blog?
Just one corroboration?
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 08:41 PM
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38. AP article here.
Edited on Wed Nov-14-07 08:41 PM by Mass
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 08:42 PM
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39. Thank you . . .
Is the country devoid of software engineers who could fill those positions? Somehow I don't think so!
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Clanfear Donating Member (260 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 08:46 PM
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40. This is a direct effort to keep companies here
Edited on Wed Nov-14-07 08:47 PM by Clanfear
We do not have enough skilled people to fill the needs of companies. If we do not bring in this labor then the associated labor with these positions will be going overseas.
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 08:52 PM
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41. It makes the nursing shortage worse though,
especially the high level positions.
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Paulie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 11:49 PM
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44. my employer just laid off several hundred
And the foreign workers who were here for 6 months are now doing the jobs from their home countries.

Will someone hire my friends??? My company moved their roles to foreign workers and consultants, who have zero bennies. They have families too, just like foreign workers. Sigh.

I don't know if I should laugh or cry.
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rufus dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 11:50 PM
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45. there are a lot of misconceptions about h1bs
I own a small consulting company in Southern Cal.

First off, H1B's work for much lower costs and are often a starting point for performing work off shore in India for 1/4 of the cost.

Second, these are not always SKILLED workers they are taken care of by other Indian resources that are threatened with revocation of the H1B if they don't perform their own work and help 'train' the newbie.

Third, I have seen very few temporary workers, they become US citizens and end up taking a job from US born workers.

I do my best to use US resources but believe me, the cost factors, along with H1B's propensity to "beef" up the resume at a lower cost have a huge impact on the US workforce.

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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 11:53 PM
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46. "they become US citizens and end up taking a job from US born workers"
Well, whatever else, are naturalized US citizens any less a citizen than a "US born worker"?

Will a wave of anti LEGAL immigration sentiment be the next big thing?
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rufus dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 12:03 AM
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48. read my post below
It is not meant to be a racist comment, but why the fuck should my parents, my neighbors, etc., pay taxes that end up supporting people from other countries and set them up to create a business that creates more jobs for people currently outside of this country. There is no way to spin it, it is fucking bullshit. I have no problem with open boarders and people competing for jobs, I have a HUGE problem with US workers subsidizing training for non US workers.



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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 12:05 AM
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49. I don't know, you seem extremely angry, but this is a nation of immigrants.
Saying that someone who comes here and becomes a US citizen is less American than you is against what this country has always been about!
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rufus dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 12:08 AM
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50. so using your logic
we should use our tax dollars to train foreign workers and lower the wages of US workers. I STRONGLY disagree. If foreign workers want to come here and compete for jobs that is fine. See the difference.
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rufus dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 11:58 PM
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47. and Clinton (Bill) was a big supporter as is Hillary
To make matters worse, my previous owner was educated at US school, the same one I went to, and he was here from India based upon grants that covered 60 - 75% of his education costs (US GRANTS) I took out loans and worked 40+ hours a week to get my degree. Now he has 90% of his workforce from India, and does his best to change companies to an onshore/offshore model where he uses the Indian expats along with resources in India. With 300 employees that means about 270 jobs lost by US born employees.
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