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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 08:05 PM
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These are some of the moral people who think gays shouldn't be a full part of society
They are now after suicide prevention programs. Lest one think they are worried about government waste it isn't that they don't work. No, it is that they have the audacity to make gay people, and some non gay people, think that being gay isn't evil. I know, you think I am making this up, so here are some links.

http://www.pamspaulding.com/weblog/2006/07/1-800-suicid...

With teenage suicide being the 3rd leading cause of death between 18 to 24 year olds - our government should not be duplicating prevention efforts but helping fund the many local organizations and non-profits with proven track records on prevention. In addition our government should not be in the business having access to this private and sensitive information!

Despite the fact that almost 2 million callers have reached help and hope over the last 8 years, and a government funded evaluation stating the benefits of 1-800-SUICIDE, the Substance Abuse & Mental Health Service Administration (SAMHSA), a division of Health & Human Services, has decided to create their own government run system where they would have direct access to confidential data on individuals in crisis.
You might recall SAMHSA, which came under fire from the fundies back in February of last year. Agency officials were forced by the Bush admin (after the WH received hopping mad calls from Family Research Council's Tony Perkins) to remove all LGBT references from a federally funded suicide prevention conference in California and to kill gay-positive content from the SAMHSA site.

The Bushies also suggested a session on "faith-based" suicide prevention, and threatened the conference's funding. The wingnut admin functionaries backed down after an outcry for sanity from response from mental health professionals.

SAMHSA also took a big hit when its web site featured a section called "Celebrating the Pride and Diversity Among and Within the Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender Populations" which flew in the face of the flat-earth science often promoted in government under Bush that seems to either ignore or condemn homosexuality. The SAMHSA link above is to The Memory Hole, btw. My original post on this was called How long before a Bush drone puts a stop to this?

The answer was 12 days. That's how long it took for a Bush drone to scrub a government web site of gay-positive content.

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ACCORDING TO BRIAN, "In Massachusetts, anything labeled 'youth suicide prevention' is always a homosexual program in disguise. No one else is ever interested in youth suicide issues because it is not really a problem in the schools. In fact, there is no youth suicide 'epidemic' in Massachusetts."

Please do the right thing for parents and children - DO NOT CAVE-IN TO THE MURDEROUS RIGHT-WING BIGOTED AGENDA! THEY ARE CONSERVATIVES WITHOUT A CONSCIENCE!

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Brian is the head of the anti gay alliance of Massachusetts.

Let me be blunt this is pure evil. It is nothing less than the idea that Matthew Sheppard is the ultimate ex gay. These aren't, sadly, the Fred Phelps of the word. These are the supposedly reasonable anti gay zealots. We can't let these people win. If they are willing to sacrifice straight teenagers just so someone, somewhere who is gay won't get a positive feeling about him or herself. This is the type of Christian we are up against. Why should we believe for a minute they will entertain the notion of compromise? At best they don't care if we live or die. At worst, they wish us dead. Compromise isn't an option.


Sorry Obama but these people aren't good, they aren't moral, and they aren't fit for dialogue.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 08:09 PM
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1. I agree with your points. What I find amazing is that any gay person could be a repug
The log cabin republicans are probably one of the most confused groups in the country

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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 08:10 PM
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2. Moral, my ass. They can call themselves, that, but it doesn't make it so.
Edited on Wed Nov-14-07 08:11 PM by Redstone
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 08:13 PM
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3. "there is no youth suicide 'epidemic' in Massachusetts."
A few years back we had five suicides in one year among high school students where I live. I am so sick of these fucking dank tufts of rectal pubic hair downplaying this shit.And as a bonus they screw gay people over at the same time.They are beneath shame. :puke:
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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 08:45 PM
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4. Don't forget "decent"
Sickening, all around.

K/R
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 09:39 PM
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5. "Faith based" suicide prevention?
Does that mean no drugs when drugs might be appropriate? Someone just reminds you that suicide is a mortal sin and you'll burn in a lake of fire if you do it?

And only homosexual kids think about/commit suicde?

I cannot believe how evil these people are that they are willing to put kids at risk to push their own twisted agenda.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 10:52 PM
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6. They are willing to kill 7 of themselves to kill 3 of ours
which says alot.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 03:01 AM
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7. 'Sorry Obama but these people aren't good, they aren't moral, and they aren't fit for dialogue.'
Indeed.
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 06:03 PM
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9. Right
Until the hate mongering bigots renounce their homophobia and accept us FULLY, there is no reason whatsoever why we should talk to them. Fuck that shit. Why are we somehow expected to even tacitly accept their bigotry? That's what my take on what the Senator is saying.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 06:00 PM
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8. kick
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 06:06 PM
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10. it is not possible to be ''moral'' and anti-gay.
gay is a natural selection -- made by nature.

gay folk are fully equally -- and those that carry a message contrary to that fact are immoral and bigoted.

then there are those who carry the message of bigotry and hate in order to control the masses -- then no sooner think there is anything wrong with gay people than there is a man in the moon.

not funding, expanding or providing suicide help services to gay youth helps to underline the messangers of hate and gains them support from their superstitious followers.



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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 09:58 PM
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11. My local tv station ran a report on an ex gay minister
and both the report and the comments are nothing short of heartbreaking and aggrivating. This is where this nonsense that Obama has been spouting leads. We shouldn't be surprised.
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