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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 09:38 PM
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Edwards' Doubletalk On Drivers Licenses For Undocumented Aliens
Edited on Wed Nov-14-07 09:39 PM by SaveElmer
So now is he not only running away from his Senate record...he is running from his 2004 campaign for President as well!!!



Edwards' Doubletalk On Drivers Licenses For Undocumented Aliens
By Big Tent Democrat, Section Elections 2008
Posted on Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 11:33:16 AM EST



John Edwards on Sunday said he opposes a new program in New York to give driver's licenses to illegal immigrants, but the Democratic presidential candidate offered much the same plan for establishing a licensing system as his chief rival and party primary frontrunner, Hillary Clinton.


So much for the straight talk. And note this is a xenophobic flip flop from Edwards' 2004 position:


The former North Carolina senator, who unequivocally supported issuing driver's licenses to illegals when he was running for vice president in 2004, said that it should be up to the states to decide whether to issue licenses to illegals.


Read the doubletalk:


"I believe that, first of all we have to have comprehensive immigration reform and for anybody in this country who is making an effort and on the path to obtaining American citizenship, yes, they should have a driver's license. If they're not making any effort to become an American citizen, and we have a system for doing that, my own personal view is, no, I would not give them a driver's license," Edwards said on ABC's "This Week."

. . . "I am against the (Spitzer) plan," he said.

. . . Asked about his switch since 2004, Edwards said he had been primarily concerned about the dangers of people driving who hadn’t had any training. But he said, now, that concern fits into the bigger picture of establishing a rule of law in the United States that allows illegals to get driver's licenses once they get on the path to earning citizenship.


http://www.talkleft.com/story/2007/11/5/123316/368

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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 09:41 PM
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1. HRC: Not Doubletalk, Not Tripletalk, But...
OmniTalk! She can take all sides of every position at the same instant.

An incredible thing to observe. I'm extremely impressed.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 09:42 PM
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3. empty lies. nt
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 09:42 PM
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4. Show me where Hillary changed her position on licenses for undocumented workers...nt
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 09:43 PM
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5. She Hasn't! That's The Point!
She's for them and against them.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 09:43 PM
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6. Wrong as usual Manny...
She has never come out for them...
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 09:44 PM
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7. Or Against Them!
It's a beautiful thing!
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 09:45 PM
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8. Wrong again...
Don't let the truth get in your way
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 09:46 PM
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10. Please Share A Link
And make me smarter. Or as we say in Boston, smahtah.
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 12:39 AM
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32. Here ya go.
She has said, quite clearly, that she did not feel that it was the best option, but she understood Spitzer's attempt to do something, since the government had dropped the ball. She reaffirmed her support of HIM, when he decided to dump the idea.



Debate transcript:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21528787/
Page 20:
Russert:
Thank you, Brian.
Senator Clinton, Governor of New York Eliot Spitzer has proposed giving driver's licenses to illegal immigrants. He told the Nashua, New Hampshire, Editorial Board it makes a lot of sense.

Why does it make a lot of sense to give an illegal immigrant a driver's license?

Clinton: Well, what Governor Spitzer is trying to do is fill the vacuum left by the failure of this administration to bring about comprehensive immigration reform. We know in New York we have several million at any one time who are in New York illegally. They are undocumented workers. They are driving on our roads. The possibility of them having an accident that harms themselves or others is just a matter of the odds. It's probability.

So what Governor Spitzer is trying to do is to fill the vacuum. I believe we need to get back to comprehensive immigration reform because no state, no matter how well intentioned, can fill this gap. There needs to be federal action on immigration reform



Page 21:
Russert:
Senator Clinton, I just want to make sure of what I heard. Do you, the New York senator, Hillary Clinton, support the New York governor's plan to give illegal immigrants a driver's license?

You told the New Hampshire paper that it made a lot of sense. Do you support his plan?

Clinton: You know, Tim, this is where everybody plays "gotcha." It makes a lot of sense. What is the governor supposed to do? He is dealing with a serious problems. We have failed. And George Bush has failed. Do I think this is the best thing for any governor to do? No. But do I understand the sense of real desperation, trying to get a handle on this? Remember, in New York, we want to know who's in New York. We want people to come out of the shadows.

He's making an honest effort to do it. We should have passed immigration reform.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 09:45 PM
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9. Yes it is
This is not an issue for a national candidate to take a position on. Those that do, will go down in flames in the GE. End of story
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 09:51 PM
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14. Great defense of Edwards' doubletalk there, Manny.
Edited on Wed Nov-14-07 09:53 PM by Skip Intro
:eyes:
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 10:22 PM
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30. I'm Certainly Not Defending Edwards!
Hedge Fund Johnny does not have a defender in Manny Goldstein! I was just pointing out that he's not nearly as skilled in the art as is Senator Clinton.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 09:42 PM
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2. self delete: I am dumb. (misread the post)
Edited on Wed Nov-14-07 09:42 PM by Kurt_and_Hunter
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 09:48 PM
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11. I don't know why he felt he needed to add this
to his speech about immigration and driver's licenses:

"Earlier in the day, asked about illegal immigration, he drew the loudest applause of his entire event in Charles City when he declared "you should learn to speak English if you want to be an American citizen."

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2007/11/05/one_answer_on_illegal_immigran.html

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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 09:50 PM
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13. Don't think too hard
Edwards uses codes to appeal to white folk with race issues.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 09:51 PM
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15. Yew fust, Jaaawwn
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 09:55 PM
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20. eh? run that by me agin. nt
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 09:57 PM
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22. You first, yawn?
Maybe? ROFL
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 09:57 PM
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23. reply to: "you should learn to speak English if you want to be an American citizen."
Edited on Wed Nov-14-07 09:59 PM by Kurt_and_Hunter
A joke... "You first, John." (Poking fun at Edwards sometimes hard to understand drawl, and it's relation to learning English)
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 09:58 PM
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24. Oh gawd.
you hurt me.
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 09:59 PM
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25. Ah, sorry
I've been down with a nasty cold for the past few days and have spent way too much time online lol.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 09:50 PM
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 09:53 PM
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16. the replies???
Damn, I hope not
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 09:53 PM
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17. Don't know...how much are you getting?...nt
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 09:54 PM
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18. As I am not hawking any candidates: nada, zero zilch.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 09:55 PM
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21. So your Kucinich 2008 avatar...
Is there by mistake ?

:rofl:

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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 10:06 PM
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27. No. But please point me to my endless stream of candidate related posts.
Yes I do have an avatar indicating my preference. And that is it.
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 09:54 PM
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19. If they do, could you hook me up...
I could use the money.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 10:00 PM
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26. Read the scalding comments from the link..
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 10:07 PM
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28. I hope Hillary takes out a full page ad in the Demoines Register
with two columns. One column stating Edwards Senate Votes and the other his current policy.

Let the people of Iowa see it in black and white over at their favorite breakfast coffee shop.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 10:08 PM
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29. Would need more than a full page...
To list every change I think...
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Mnpaul Donating Member (754 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 02:07 AM
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33. She could run it next to this 'toon
which is running in the Demoines Register right now


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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 10:27 PM
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31. So Obama has been the only one of the "top three" to give a straight answer on this.
Edited on Wed Nov-14-07 10:28 PM by calteacherguy
Albeit politically unpopular. Interesting.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 11:52 AM
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34. Well, Obama usually rambles and forgets what the question was..
you can make note of it tonight.
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