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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 12:28 AM
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Poll question: Do you agree or disagree with George Will?
Edited on Thu Nov-15-07 12:33 AM by calteacherguy
To wit:

For conservatives, who think gridlocked government is wonderful, that is a second reason to hope Clinton is nominated. The first is that she would be easier to beat than Obama, for reasons highlighted in the latest Wall Street Journal/NBC poll: She is judged negatively by pluralities on sharing their positions on issues and, even more important, on likability and honesty.

Large undertakings in domestic policy -- e.g., the enactments of Social Security in 1935 and of Medicare in 1965 -- often follow landslide elections. In the 15 presidential elections since the Second World War, only twice has the Democratic candidate won 50 percent of the popular vote -- Lyndon Johnson emphatically in 1964 and Jimmy Carter narrowly in 1976. In 2008, Obama is more likely than Clinton to win an impressive electoral vote total that will look like a mandate. Conservatives should think: Although Republicans have much to fear in 2008, they might have less to fear from her as a candidate and, if she wins, as a president, than they would from Obama.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2007/11/frontrunners_who_can_still_be.html

I realize some of you are going to argue that agreeing with George Will could be a dangerous thing, but sometimes you can get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right. I would add that we would have a greater chance of winning a larger number of additional House and Senate seats with a less polarizing candidate who is not handicapped by decades of cultural and political baggage.
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 12:37 AM
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1. I Agree with the Principle
but not the conclusion. Clinton may turn out to be more electable.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 12:42 AM
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2. I think that's always a concern about the nominee. nt
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jaysunb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 12:43 AM
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3. Remember my post the other day...
from Andrew Sullivan's article ? Lots of folks completely dismissed his clear thinking because it was Sullivan. They'll do the same thing because it's Will, here.

As Sullivan correctly pointed out, "Obama offers the greatest threat to the status quo, for both sides of the political landscape."

It's the generational change...and if not now, in the next few years, it will be complete. I'm a boomer and I welcome it.
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 12:44 AM
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4. I cannot analytically determine how the WSJ came up with
conclusion that Obama can win in the General.
I like and admire Obama. There is one thing I cannot
overcome. In National Polls Obama stays in the 20s
By this time, if he had a real chance in the general
he would be in the 40s.

There have been reports out Iowa that the people like
him but fear he is not tough enouch to stand up to
GOP Machine.

I am waiting to see how the early voting goes to get
a better feel.

I tend to go with others who see as things stand now
that in spite of her little stumble Hilary is most
likely our candidate.

The Media will write and say anything trying to get
a horse race going. They think this gives them audience.
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 12:45 AM
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5. in my opinion
any of our candidates can win. Any of our candidates can lose.

But only one has the potential to win a landslide and a mandate, and that's Obama.

that's why I'm backing him.
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 12:54 AM
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6. I agree with your assesment. nt
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 12:58 AM
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7. He's right.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 01:13 AM
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8. Dudes, George Will is a tool of the White House and powerful corporate
interests.He wrote a love letter to Conrad Black without disclosing that Black had paid him mega-bucks. His is a high price media whore, because he has that Pulitzer Prize and a thesaurus that he consults regularly and unnecessarily to make his essays so convoluted that only the GOP faithful will read them in order to learn the Republican Talking Points du Jour.

For a while, (like a few years) I made a study of his work, which I posted over in the Salon forums (Table Talk) in the Politics section in a Thread called "George Will is a Dumb Ass With a Pulitzer Prize." Things he did to aid the Bush administration, include...

When the administration was attempting to discredit California in the wake of the Enron price gouging scandal, before Gray Davis had been removed from office and Arnold had been installed, and Bush/Cheney needed to make sure that the rest of the country did not listen to California when it claimed that the Bush administration had aided and abetted Enron in the gouging, Will did a multi part piece about California in which he portrayed them as all gay and commies. Later, documents revealed that there actually was an administration strategy (an official one) at that time to discredit California. I had surmised one from the way the administration was acting and Will's essays fit right in.

The man does not dot an i or cross a t, unless his political masters tell him to. If he writes that Obama is a winner, that means that the RNC thinks he is a loser. I don't necessarily think that Obama is a loser, but guys, we are talking the R fucking N C, the last bastion of racism in this country. Those cretins can not conceive of a Black man being elected president. They have their Justice Department arrest Blacks near election time to stir up Fear the Black Man feelings in their base in order to increase turn out. The thought of a Black Democratic nominee is a dream come true for them.

Do not ever take anything your read from George Will at face value, unless it is about some esoteric topic like a book no one reads anymore or baseball. Every now and then, he gets to thinking about how he used to be a real writer, and he will turn out something worthwhile. He actually can write if he wants to--and if they let him. If you are ever in doubt about how to interpret something he has written, ask me. I am an expert on his bs.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 01:29 AM
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9. George Will should be publicly slapped. He stole Jimmy Carter's briefing book. NT
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 07:00 AM
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10. It's sad to see right-wingers even talking about strategy in 2008. The poor devils.
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Red Zelda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 09:01 AM
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11. No, no, no
This fuckwad is never right about anything. He should tie an M-80 to his monkey and buttmelt Cokie Roberts, thereby saving the world forever from the two of them.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 09:26 AM
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12. She presents weaknesses due to decades of rightwing
Edited on Thu Nov-15-07 09:27 AM by mmonk
bashing and less enthusiam about the elections we have given democracy up for among activists. Rightwing radio will blare unending myth and hatred about her. The mainstream media most likely will not truth check against attacks on her from the right. She is a risk but I know her followers will not see it as their vestment in her (and Bill) and her personality manifests itself.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 09:31 AM
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13. It is a lie. Clinton will be so much harder to beat than a light-weight like Obama
They are so afraid of her that their propaganda tool (the media) is airing a constant attack on Clinton. All negative All the time.

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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 09:31 AM
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14. No question about it. Will is right..
Facts are facts.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 10:41 AM
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19. I Didn't See Any Facts
I saw hypotheseses drawn from inferences then drawn from selective facts then drawn from cherry picked sources... It's pure deductive logic... Put forward a theory and then look for facts to support your theory as opposed to inductive logic where you look at all the facts and then put forward a theory based on those facts...

I'm not as much accusing Will of a political bias as of an philosophical one...


But hey, what do I know? I wasn't smart enough to steal Jimmy Carter's debate prep book and give it to Ronald Reagan before they debated...
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 09:52 AM
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15. I would take this to mean that the right is very afraid of Hillary. nt
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luckyleftyme2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 10:02 AM
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16. george will is a BUSHCO STOOGE

IF YOU WATCH ABC SUNDAY MORNINGS YOU CAN SEE THIS JOKER IS PRO BUSH WEEK AFTER WEEK.
HE'S PRO WAR AND FLIP FLOPS IF CALLED ON IT.
THE RIGHT IS PETRIFIED OF HILLARY,AND ESPECIALLY OF BILL. THEY KNOW THAT THEY COULDN'T RAISE A CANDIDATE TO BEAT HER,Giuliani is a joke,his popularity even among repukes is skewed polls.
this election will decimate the republican party just like the NIXON regime did.
but BUSHCO doesn't care they've shoveled billions to their gang. and that is what repukes are about. taking your tax dollar and putting it in their pocket.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 10:07 AM
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17. Yep, I agree with every word...
And would only add that it's excruciatingly sad what's happened to America.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 10:31 AM
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18. The Country Is Too Polarized For Either A Democratic Or Rethuglican Landslide
If Jimmy Carter eked out a victory, two years after Watergate, two years after the Rethuglicans got their clock creamed in the 74 mid terms , and against the disgraced president's handpicked successor I doubt any Democrat or Rethuglican can win a landslide today...
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 10:43 AM
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20. George seems to have forgotten Gore's majority in 2000
not surprising really.

Mostly Will serves as an echo chamber for them and a good source of laughs for us.
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