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EV_Ares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 07:29 AM
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Clinton Says No to Licenses for Illegals; Finally Takes A Stand

By DEVLIN BARRETT
The Associated Press
Thursday, November 15, 2007; 2:20 AM

WASHINGTON -- Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton on Wednesday came out against granting driver's licenses to illegal immigrants, after weeks of pressure in the presidential race to take a position on a now-failed ID plan from her home state governor.

Clinton has faced criticism from candidates in both parties for her noncommittal answers on New York Gov. Eliot Spitzer's attempt to allow illegal immigrants in his state to receive driver's licenses. Spitzer abandoned the effort Wednesday.

"I support Governor Spitzer's decision today to withdraw his proposal," Clinton said in a statement. "As president, I will not support driver's licenses for undocumented people and will press for comprehensive immigration reform that deals with all of the issues around illegal immigration including border security and fixing our broken system."

Clinton stumbled when asked about the issue during a Democratic debate two weeks ago, and her new position comes the day before another debate where opponents are expected to raise the issue again.

Rival campaigns made clear they were not letting go of the issue.

"When it takes two weeks and six different positions to answer one question on immigration, it's easier to understand why the Clinton campaign would rather plant their questions than answer them," said Barack Obama spokesman Bill Burton, referring to the Clinton campaign's admission that aides had staged a question for her at an Iowa event.

Link to entire article: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/14/AR2007111401788.html?tid=informbox

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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 08:01 AM
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1. She always supported her Governor - always said Drivers license was not her ideal solution - the
approved by Homeland Security Washington State 3 tiered Driver ID program that lowered accident rates and insurance in that state was proposed as a question by Tim Russert - but without saying that it was 3 tier and approved by Homeland Security and in use in other states.

The Washington Post continues its history of biased reporting against Dem's and very biased reporting against Hillary.

What was Obama's "position" during the debate, then on the following Sunday talk - then today - wonder if the Washington Post will ever ask Barack Obama spokesman Bill Burton?
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EV_Ares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 08:46 AM
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2. Well, if you think the Washington Post is biased against what she said
Edited on Thu Nov-15-07 08:52 AM by EV_Ares
or didn't say on this, then go to the other media, newspapers and TV, Mags, etc. Are they all biased against Hillary?

By the way, thanks for not attacking and instead just esplaining Hillary's position as you see it. I think that kind of dialogue goes a lot further than the Hillary bashers that just start attacking you for a post that they think does not put her in a good light instead of explaining her position or trying to persuade some non-Hillary supporters to her side.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 08:56 AM
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3. Finally! She gets it.
Edited on Thu Nov-15-07 08:59 AM by Evergreen Emerald
The media is propaganda! The media slants a story, or refuses to print/show one, or prints/shows the same type of story again and again attempting to sell a message. The republicans know that they would have a hard time beating Clinton. So they are working on defeating her before the general election.

Look at the facts. Read / watch the next 10 stories on each candidate and then tell me who has more negative coverage and who has more positive coverage?

I woke up this morning and Morning Joe was talking about the "bitch" story. "My mother says the same thing every morning, there is nothing wrong with it," says Joe. "Besides," he continued the democrats are always putting down Bush."

Later, in a different segment, Joe talks about how horrible it is for a magazine to question Huckabee because of his radical christian beliefs. All on the set were talking about how unbelievable it is for someone to call Huckabee names.

Everyone agreed that it is ok to call Clinton a Bitch. Everyone agreed that it was deplorable to question Huckabee's radical beliefs.

The media again and again has had success in swaying the American citizens who, instead of thinking through the superficial crap, nod in lemming like fashion as our democracy swirls down the porcelain bowl.
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EV_Ares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 09:03 AM
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6. Yeah, saw that segment on Morning Joe, getting to where it is hard
to watch him as he just starts out against the dems period. I won't argue the fact that Hillary is really getting it right now from all sides actually including me sometimes. The bitch thing is way out of line and shouldn't even be repeated. Tonight's debate is really going to be interesting I think.

The media sucks period as so many people do not try to get the facts such as you and I and just read it and believe it.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 07:19 PM
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14. MSM agrees on a story line - this makes it correct?
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RichGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 08:56 AM
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4. Flip flop.....
Intelligent people change their minds. They may think one thing...then new evidence comes along and they CHANGE THEIR MIND. We ALL do it. A curious, always learning, informative person changes their mind all the time. Haven't some of us changed our mind about certain candidates when new information came along???

"Flip Flop" was a term created by Karl Rove to defend George Bush who is a moran and only seems to be able to keep one idea in his head. His unwillingness and/or inability to change his mind about Iraq is one of the reason we are in this huge mess.

So...please Democrats...let's not give Karl Rove's evil schemes credibility by taking them as our own.
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EV_Ares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 09:04 AM
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7. I would prefer having someone that changes their mind then someone who
refuses to change their mind or refuses to admit a mistake. That flip-flop thing stated with Kerry which was another biased media incident that took it and ran with it. They don't seem to use it as much with the republicans such as Romney.
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RichGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 09:25 AM
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8. When you have...
Someone as intelligent as John Kerry running against Bush you have to resort to schemes and manipulation. It's bad enough that the republicans buy into it but it's totally annoying how many Democrats do as well. Any of our candidates who tries to catch the other "flip flopping" must be aspiring to be more like Bush.
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MiniMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 08:58 AM
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5. Was that before or after Spitzer pulled it?
:hide:
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Zavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 02:57 PM
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9. After.
What courage, what conviction! :sarcasm:
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 03:26 PM
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10. I think Spitzer got a late night call from the Dem power-brokers.
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DangerDave921 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 05:29 PM
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11. Rush
That's exactly what Rush said yesterday.

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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 05:32 PM
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12. I don't listen to Rush Limbaugh and am surprised anybody here does.
The miraculous turnaround at a staged press conference was a teensy bit suspicious after the Dem front-runner was getting pummeled.
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DangerDave921 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 05:33 PM
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13. you'd be surprised
how many people on here listen to him occasionally.
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