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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 11:44 AM
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Steny and Rahm say to delay Friday's vote on contempt resolutions.
You know that old term they pull out everytime someone wants to say or do something honest and real?

They say you will "step on the message." I say good. Maybe that would be the best thing our party could do right now is step all over their message of appeasing Bush in anyway.

When you enable a bully, he just becomes a worse bully. I learned that when teaching before I retired. You may not be able to "fix" the bully problem, but for the safety of others you must try. You don't just back off and say deal with it later.

Rahm says delay contempt resolutions

House Democrats have postponed a vote until December on contempt resolutions against White House chief of staff Josh Bolten and former White House counsel Harriet Miers, delaying for now any constitutional showdown with the White House over the president’s power to resist congressional subpoenas.

Judiciary Committee Chairman John Conyers Jr. (D-Mich.) has been pushing for the contempt vote, arguing that the White House must be held accountable for ignoring subpoenas issued by his panel as part of the U.S. attorney firing scandal. Other top Democrats, including Caucus Chairman Rahm Emanuel (Ill.), have argued that the House should put off that fight while debates over Iraq funding and electronic eavesdropping dominate the floor. The contempt vote had been tentatively scheduled for Friday before Majority Leader Steny H. Hoyer (D-Md.) informed his colleagues that it was being delayed.

“(Emanuel) has been saying that this week is not the time to do this, that it will step on our message on Iraq and FISA,” said a top House Democratic leadership aide.


Emanuel could not be reached for comment by press time on Tuesday. The Illinois Democrat was overseeing an “issues conference” for House Democrats, urging rank-and-file lawmakers to hold more town-hall-style meetings with constituents in order to explain to them what Democrats have achieved since taking control of Congress.

Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) is backing Conyers and wants a floor vote on the contempt resolution, but she has agreed to wait another few weeks before forcing a showdown with President Bush on the matter.


I hate that term "step on the message." Rahm is in charge of "messages", appointed by Pelosi. It appears to have become all about the message, and not so much about doing what must be done.



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Beelzebud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 11:46 AM
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1. So in other words, Rahm just wants to keep that powder dry. For ever.
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riqster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 11:51 AM
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2. Ram it, Rahm!
He's the giant brain who fucked Christine Cegelis, shoved that carpetbagger Duckworth in her place, and STILL lost that seat for us.
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 04:35 PM
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11. Duckworth did a lot better than Cegelis would have
In bright red DuPage County.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 05:26 PM
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13. Cegelis got 44% in that "bright red" county against Hyde in 2004"
http://markcrispinmiller.blogspot.com/2005/05/support-christine-cegelis-henry-hydes.html

"Friends, the Democratic Party power structure is at it again, doing their best to suppress the grassroots.

Christine Cegelis, in 2004, won 44% of the vote against the formidable Henry Hyde with a budget of only $140,000. It may well be that her success in that race convinced Henry to finally announce his resignation.

So did the Democratic Party rush to get behind Christine when she announced she'll run again in Hyde's district (Illinois Sixth) in 2006? Absolutely not! The Party is encouraging rich white males to run against her in the primary, thereby drying up potential early contributions in the district--donations that could give her an early jump in the race."

NOPE. The party...Rahm...picked someone from another district and dried up Christine's fundraising.

I am tired of this BS stuff about how Christine did not do well. That is a bunch of very tired BS.



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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 10:44 PM
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19. She ran and loss in 2004.
And then she ran in the primary in 2006 and lost.

Democrats across the district chose Tammy Duckworth, not Rahm.

And she's not exactly a rich white male if you didn't notice.

She can deflect responsibility for her loss any direction she chooses.

IL-6 is a red area, and Duckworth got as much as any Democrat would have.

It would take someone in the mold of Melissa Bean to win in that district.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 11:44 PM
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24. Well, let's just discuss that a minute. Rahm spent half a million against her.
And the DCCC raised I believe about 3 million for Cegelis, wanted more from the DNC who said no...you have spent enough there. Led to a huge fight when Rahm cussed Dean out.

Rahm spent about half a million in the primary to beat Cegelis.

These are only two articles, I have many more. Let's not make up our own facts.

http://www.peaceworkmagazine.org/node/396

"Duckworth had no political experience and did not live in the 6th District, but Rahm Emanuel raised a million dollars for her and brought in Democratic heavyweights Joe Lieberman, Barak Obama, John Kerry, John Edwards, and Hillary Clinton to support her.

Despite all this help and with the Cegelis campaign virtually penniless, Duckworth barely managed to eke out a victory in the Democratic primary by a measly four percentage points. During the general election campaign, Duckworth was pushed onto the national scene to help her campaign, providing the "rebuttal" to Bush's weekly Saturday radio address. The AP, in its story on the exchange, concluded that Duckworth, far from differing with Bush on Iraq, "offered no proposal for an immediate withdrawal or a timetable for withdrawal." By not offering an alternative, Duckworth ended up losing the seat to Republican rival, Peter Roskam, by 2%."
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" Illinois's 6th District: Christine Cegelis vs. Tammy Duckworth

A well-documented instance of interference by the DCCC during a Democratic primary occurred during the contest between Christine Cegelis and Tammy Duckworth. Cegelis, a strong proponent of withdrawal from Iraq, encountered unexpected and effective opposition from the DCCC. Cegelis challenged former 16-term Republican Congressman Henry Hyde in 2004. An information technology specialist, Cegelis had no previous experience in politics, but decided to face off against an entrenched incumbent Republican. Her 2004 campaign, run on a meager budget with mostly volunteer staff, was able to create a tightly knit grassroots infrastructure in the Illinois 6th Congressional District. In 2004, Cegelis received just over 44 percent of the vote. The 82- year-old Hyde decided to retire rather than face another reelection campaign in 2006. This seat became a top target for the Democratic leaders and a microcosm of a much larger battle for the future of the Democratic Party.

Emanuel, himself a congressman from the neighboring 5th District of Illinois, apparently tried to recruit six different candidates to run against Cegelis. According to Kevin Spidel, campaign manager for the Cegelis campaign, all of Emanuel's attempts failed because the potential candidates "all said 'hell no!' They knew the resentment they would face. If you were in the district, you knew how much Cegelis was loved. She built her own machine."

Eventually, Emanuel found a candidate who lived just outside the district, Tammy Duckworth. Duckworth, a helicopter pilot who was severely injured in combat in Iraq, was convinced to run against Cegelis by Emanuel and two Democratic heavyweights, Illinois Senators Dick Durbin and Barack Obama.

Duckworth was not a proponent of a deadline for withdrawal from Iraq. The Los Angeles Times, quoting Duckworth, reported that she believed the military should not "'simply pull up stakes' in Iraq because it would 'create a security vacuum' and 'risk allowing ... to become a base for terrorists.'" According to the same article, Duckworth supported "a pullout of US forces on a schedule based on the training of Iraq's armed forces." Expedited withdrawal from Iraq was a main plank of the Cegelis campaign platform.

According to Bendavid's book, "Duckworth quickly became the center of a nasty fight over Emanuel's tactics." According to Bendavid, "Emanuel, Durbin, and other Democratic leaders did not believe Cegelis was working hard enough or raising sufficient money ... used their clout to persuade Duckworth to run and to direct money, attention, and endorsements her way."

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/090607J.shtml





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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 05:28 PM
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14. Every grassroots candidate who ran well....was shoved out by Rahm.
Three in Florida. More elsewhere.

Prove me wrong.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 11:53 AM
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3. Do people really believe it's Rahm and Steny calling the shots? Who tells
them what to do and has been the top advisor to most DC Dems the last 7 years, encouraging support of Bush on his terrorism and Iraq war decisions?

Hint: The same top Dem who advised Tony Blair.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 02:43 PM
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9. yes, I think they're largely calling the shots. It's waaay simplistic
to think otherwise.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 06:52 PM
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16. Anyone familiar with Rahm's role in politics the last 15 yrs knows otherwise
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 05:40 PM
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15. Nope, but I ain't gonna say it.
B-)

But I will remind folks where the party was getting advice to vote for the Iraq invasion.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1041

Very clear.
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 11:07 PM
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21. Rahm and Steny are really ruining it for the Democratic Party....
They've saddled us with the dead weight known as the Blue Dog Caucus, and I honestly believe Pelosi would be a more effective Speaker if those two weren't around.
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old guy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 11:57 AM
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4. Why do they always do this stuff?
Do they have any idea what they are doing? Do they have any plan? Inquiring minds would like to know.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 11:59 AM
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5. Screw them! Take action...
Via email from PFAW...

Dear (CW),

The House could vote to hold White House officials in contempt of Congress later this week. Passage of a contempt resolution would mark the first time that the Bush-Cheney administration would truly be held to account for its flagrant disregard for checks and balances.

White House Chief of Staff Josh Bolten and former White House Counsel Harriet Miers both refused to comply with congressional subpoenas regarding the U.S. attorney purge, claiming "executive privilege." Those claims of executive privilege were rejected by members of Congress. The House has no choice but to assert its constitutional oversight authority. Please help make sure that it does.

Call now and urge your representative to vote to hold Josh Bolten and Harriet Miers in contempt.

Phone:
(see below - CW)

Executive branch abuses of power have defined the Bush-Cheney administration. NOW is the time for Congress to stand up and say enough is enough.

Constitutional law professor Erwin Chemerinsky put it into context in the Baltimore Sun on Sunday:

The issue transcends whether there was misconduct, or even obstruction of justice, in the firing of the federal prosecutors. At stake are basic issues of separation of powers and whether any White House can totally immunize its current and former officials from congressional scrutiny.

The vote will be close. The more than 44,000 PFAW activists who have already signed our petition urging Congress to "Hold Them in Contempt" have certainly helped move this along -- now, with a possible vote by the whole House pending, representatives need to hear directly from their constituents.

Please call now.

Phone:
(see below - CW)

After your call, you can let us know how it went by using our online call report form.

http://pfaw.kintera.org/CallReport

Thank you for standing with us to defend the Constitution.

-- Your Allies at People For the American Way


NGU.


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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 12:45 PM
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6. .
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 04:33 PM
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10. .
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 08:34 PM
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18. .
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 01:57 PM
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7. So much for multi-tasking. I thought these people were smart.
If I were them, I'd welcome the distraction of having four or five things on my plate at any given time.

Oh well.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 02:30 PM
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8. But, but ... they don't want the Republicans to be mad at them.
:mad:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 10:25 PM
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25. Very true.
They don't want that.
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 04:36 PM
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12. Rahm is a real piece of crap. I have personal experience with this.
And he is one of Hillary's biggest supporters.
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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 07:55 PM
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17. What message would that be? Please, help me here.
I must have missed the memo. I didn't realize that the congressional Democrats had a message much less that they were not supposed to step on the one that they had that I haven't heard about.

FISA and Iraq. About the only message I'm getting is that they plan to stomp and whoop before they knuckle under and give Bush whatever the hell he wants so they can get home for Christmas.

Please help me out here.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 10:49 PM
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20. Ah, now I remember.
When I last heard that someone was stepping on the message. It was Pete Stark speaking about the evil and futility of the war in Iraq. He "stepped on the message" and had to apologize.

Move On "stepped on the message" when they had an ad that wasn't proper enough.

They did not apologize, but they were censured by the Democrats.

We are not allowed to step on the message.
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sampsonblk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 11:14 PM
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22. He's a piece of shit-nt
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 11:27 PM
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23. I wish the good people of IL would rid us of Rahm. It would benefit the party,
tremendously!
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