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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 03:54 PM
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Obama's anti-gay South Carolina strategy: "Signs of Desperation?"
By KEVIN ALEXANDER GRAY
and MARSHALL DERKS

November 15, 2007

There's a point in a campaign that's behind in the polls when desperation sets in. That's the time when trailing candidates try to throw the haymaker punch hoping for a knockout blow on the frontrunner. We are not at that point in this campaign season, but it's getting close.

It's no surprise that part of Barack Obama's South Carolina primary strategy aims at black church-going voters. The church is the most organized part of the black community and churchgoers are reliable voters. In addition, Democratic frontrunner Hillary Clinton's hiring of local high-priced preacher-politician-businessman Darrell Jackson and her husband Bill's clout with blacks puts additional pressure on Obama. The Illinois senator has to cut into Clinton's black support as well as establishing his own African American base.

If Obama doesn't win South Carolina with its large African American voter base the race may be over for him. His poll numbers in South Carolina have been up and down. Right now Clinton appears to have the overall lead in the state as well as with black voters. Clinton also has the edge with black women who regularly vote at a higher rate than black men.

Oddly, Obama threw a premature haymaker but it wasn't aimed at Clinton. The target was the GLBT community. Obama's wild swing involved having four abrasively anti-gay gospel singers represent his campaign on his "Embrace the Courage" gospel music tour in South Carolina. The gay-bashing headliners included Reverends Donnie McClurkin and Hezekiah Walker, Pentecostal pastor of Brooklyn mega-church, the Love Fellowship Tabernacle and Mary Mary (a sister act duo).

McClurkin's previous political involvement for George Bush included a performance at the Republican National Convention in 2004. Now he's singing for Obama. And, while stumping for the candidate McClurkin didn't just "get on stage, sing, and shut up" as some in the Obama campaign hoped he would do. He sermonized; "God delivered me from homosexuality" as though one could simply "pray the gay away." The predominately black crowd inside the Township Auditorium in Columbia clapped their approval of McClurkin's message. Meanwhile a small, predominately white group of gay rights supporters picketed outside the venue.

Obama justifies his embrace of the evangelicals saying he's "reaching out to people he doesn't agree with." Responding to a controversy he should have or did anticipated - Obama mentioned the black community's "problem with homophobia." Yet after the tour when asked why the campaign would seemingly reject gay voters for far-right leaning blacks a campaign insider replied, "We got what we needed to get out of it."...

America may one day elect a woman or black as president. As to whether or not Obama or Clinton can break into the white men's club is not a short answer question. In the meantime, the most important questions for us revolve around what will a candidate do or say to win office. Are they consistent in their message and actions? Do they pander from group to group? Do they pit one group of people against another group? At this point the answers for Obama appear to be no, yes and yes. Hopefully, in the days before the primary vote we can get better answers or at the very least, a bit of consistency as opposed to acts of desperations.

Kevin Gray is a civil rights organizer in South Carolina.

http://www.counterpunch.org/gray11152007.html
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 03:59 PM
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1. Dude, Obama is not anti-gay. Move on - your posts are getting embarrassing.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 04:01 PM
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2. Sorry, this is from today. This is not going away, so *you* move on
Edited on Thu Nov-15-07 04:02 PM by Bluebear
yeah, my posts are embarrassing. :eyes:
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 05:20 PM
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58. Really Bluebear, you need to move on...
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 05:26 PM
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59. Really, imagevision, you just mean you want the story to go away.
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FreeState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 06:40 PM
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61. Did you really just tell a gay person to forget about gay rights?
If so Im appalled. Throw gays under the bus all you want but we will not shut up or let go of wrongs committed against us until they stop.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 07:54 PM
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64. They forgot "lighten up" and "get over it".
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FreeState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 08:05 PM
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66. Yeah it offensive and its getting old to not have support here N/T
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FreeState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 08:05 PM
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67. Yeah it offensive and its getting old to not have support here N/T
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 12:22 PM
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75. "move on"???
Shame on you. I guess we should all "move on" with our lives and accept the bush crime family and just "move on" and accept the war in Iraq and not complain about any of it. We all need to shut up and "move on" to something else, because if it's gay people who get tossed under the bus by one of our candidates, it's just plain silly to call attention to it. "Move on".:eyes:

K&R for Civil Rights for EVERYONE
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 07:08 PM
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62. I think he's dead now, Jim
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FreeState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 07:10 PM
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63. Yes because we all should just forget the damage that was done
Edited on Thu Nov-15-07 07:12 PM by FreeState
because its easier than facing the reality that Obama still has not apologized to millions of people that were marginalized by his event.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 07:55 PM
Response to Reply #62
65. Gay sensitivities = a dead horse to Captain Sunshine.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 08:38 PM
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69. Yes Bluebear, move on and quit being so sensitive
You know equal civil rights for all aren't important. DUH.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 06:39 AM
Response to Reply #69
72. My bad.
Can you believe this shit? Sadly, I know you can!
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 08:32 AM
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73. I can
It sucks.
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FredScuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 04:02 PM
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3. Not half as embarrassing
Edited on Thu Nov-15-07 04:03 PM by FredScuttle
as Obama welcoming an "ex-gay" clown into his campaign with open arms.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 04:05 PM
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5. Oh well, as long as "they got what they needed out of it"
What a disgrace.
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FredScuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 04:06 PM
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7. Here's the punchline....
Isn't "Friend and Savior of teh Gay" Obama still losing in SC by double digits? That ex-gay clown did nothing for him!
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 08:39 PM
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70. Such good and decent people
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 04:03 AM
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78. That really does say it all, doesn't it? It's just a "fuck you" to the whole human race.
This is deplorable. It's ugly, cynical hate-baiting of the worst kind, no matter how passive and indirect it may be.

People who don't get what an outrage this is are morally lacking, it's just as simple as that: Obama was playing the race and religion card to try to undercut Clinton and sleaze back a vast bloc of voters wholesale, and when he found out the ugly little truth about one of the snake-oil choir, he tried to sneak it by. The cover-up was worse: toss off a sop of a gay preacher, but zip him in and whisk him off the stage quickly, oh, and make sure he's white, too.

The sheer arrogance and stupidity of the long series of blunders makes him and his organization simply not ready for mainstage, regardless of the moral turpitude that's stupifying in its obviousness.

"Got what we needed".

Like hell they did; this is not going away. Just because it's fairly contained now, and just because it may remain so, there will be lots of erosion from this. There should be much more than that.

How dare people dismiss this as a "small" thing. This is grotesque. It's messianic, duplicitous, greasy, foul, ugly and pure slobbering incompetence to boot.

It just goes back to one of the basic principles of society: if you REALLY want to abuse people, just trot out that ol' time religion.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 04:48 AM
Response to Reply #78
79. Whoever you are, I love you.
:)
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 04:03 PM
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4. I was going to share what Obama said last night
Edited on Thu Nov-15-07 04:03 PM by AtomicKitten
regarding LGBT issues, that they are our brothers and sisters, that he will repeal DOMA and Don't Ask Don't Tell, that he will ensure equal treatment under the law for all Americans, but I do believe it would fall on deaf ears.
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FredScuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 04:05 PM
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6. Words, meaningless words
When he had a chance to put those words into action, when he had an opportunity to take a decisive stand for LGBT civil rights....he welcomed an "ex-gay" clown to his campaign event and gave him a microphone and a 1/2 hour to spew homophobic filth.

Obama is no better than a two-bit hustler, a charlatan who values clowns and bigots over his constituents.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 04:09 PM
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8. It certainly would. When you have to go to Counterpunch, you're almost out of
ammo. I think the OP would not like to know what Counterpunch says about Edwards.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 04:10 PM
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9. Actually I am not a cheerleader for my candidate & won't excuse everything away.
So, please let me know.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 04:16 PM
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16. Counterpunch hates most Democrats (with the possible exception of Kucinich,
sometimes):

Liberal Fables About Health Care
John Edwards' Big Lie
By CORPORATE CRIME REPORTER
http://www.counterpunch.org/ccr03062007.html

Talking the Populist Talk
The Repackaging of John Edwards
By ELIZABETH SCHULTE
http://www.counterpunch.org/schulte03132007.html

The Lies of John Edwards
By JOHN WALSH
http://www.counterpunch.org/walsh12052005.html

"Hope is on the Way"
The Disturbing Words of John Edwards
By JOHN CHUCKMAN
http://www.counterpunch.org/chuckman07312004.html

Just do a search on Counterpunch—there's plenty more.




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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 04:18 PM
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20. Thank you, I will read those. Meanwhile, I stand by the op-ed in the OP :)
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 04:19 PM
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21. it's selective outrage, selective criticism
... when you absolutely positively have to gut your opponent.

Thanks for some insight around here, NYCGirl. It's scarce in these parts.

:hi:
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 04:21 PM
Response to Reply #16
26. Thanks, NYCGirl, for putting this into perspective.
:hi:
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FreeState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 04:24 PM
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31. Perspective: Most everyone else is doing it so its okay if Obama does it
nice justification.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 04:27 PM
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36. No, the perspective is that the source is as bad as an extreme right wing screed. NT
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 04:29 PM
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37. Could you comment on the article, not the source?
What do you disagree with in the article?
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 04:30 PM
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39. 'It is noted for its critical coverage of both Democratic and Republican politicians'
"..and its extensive reporting of environmental and trade union issues, American foreign policy, and the Israeli-Arab conflict."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CounterPunch

I checked that before I posted, but you say that is not true?
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 04:36 PM
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40. Nope. Very, very far left. I don't call it critical — I call it trash. There were some
pretty nasty anti-Kerry and anti-Dean screeds brought here from there during the last election. They hate Al Gore, too.

http://www.counterpunch.org/stclair03032007.html

http://www.counterpunch.org/bryce10162007.html

Check this one out from the publisher:

It's As Ridiculous As If They'd Given Goebbels One in 1938
Al Gore's Peace Prize
By ALEXANDER COCKBURN

http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn10132007.html
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 04:39 PM
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42. Wow, yet a Cindy Sheehan article about the "arrogance of power"!
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 04:41 PM
Response to Reply #40
43. It's a bad source,
I call it trash too.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 04:42 PM
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44. What do you disagree about in the article?
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 04:45 PM
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45. I don't disagree with the article,
but I'm always very skeptical about what's said by their authors. I'd rather be in agreement without that negative taste left by the source.
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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 04:52 PM
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49. It's like posting a Buchanan OP against the war
Well, back when he was ranting against it.

It would be correct. Very well written. It would also come from a loathsome source.

The enemy of my enemy is not my friend.

I will add, however, that counterpunch is linked here all the time. Probably because you can find a scathing indictment of just about any dem candidate.

But you could also find that on FOX news.

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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 04:54 PM
Response to Reply #45
50. Kevin Alexander Gray is lead organizer of the Harriet Tubman Freedom House Project in Columbia, SC
Edited on Thu Nov-15-07 04:56 PM by Bluebear
He is also a contributing editor to Black News in South Carolina. Gray served as 1988 South Carolina coordinator for the Presidential campaign of Jesse Jackson and as 1992 southern political director for Iowa Senator Tom Harkin's Presidential bid.

Apparently this editorial is not from the blog's own staff, if that leaves a better taste :)

OT: Every time I read "seasonedblue" I think spices and get hungry lol
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 05:36 PM
Response to Reply #50
60. ROFL
Edited on Thu Nov-15-07 05:38 PM by seasonedblue
I hate my user name, I don't know what the hell I was thinking. Ok, thanks for the heads up about Gray, that makes a difference.
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 05:08 PM
Response to Reply #40
54. yet gushing articles by wing nuts George Will and Andrew
Sullivan swooning over OBama are ok, correct? i would rather have "far left" than "far right" especially on a PROGRESSIVE discussion board such as DU.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 05:09 PM
Response to Reply #54
55. No, I never said they were. NT
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 04:11 PM
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10. yeah he BETTER say that while in San Francisco. he can't
Edited on Thu Nov-15-07 04:11 PM by jonnyblitz
get away with the bullshit he ENDORSED in South Carolina in S.F. One has to tailor one's message for the audience when desperately whoring for votes.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 04:11 PM
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11. You mean he didn't have McClurkin sing in San Francisco?
Why not, is he tailoring his message for his audiences? :silly:
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 04:13 PM
Response to Reply #11
14. No, but there was an awesome gospel choir.
Because San Franciscans aren't afraid to embrace genuine diversity.
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FredScuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 04:15 PM
Response to Reply #14
15. I wonder, were there any declarations of God saving any of the singers from homosexuality?
No? Funny that....
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FreeState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 04:16 PM
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17. Embracing spiritual terrorist is NOT embracing diversity
Edited on Thu Nov-15-07 04:18 PM by FreeState
there is no room in Diversity for people that believe GLBT persons want to kill children.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 04:19 PM
Response to Reply #10
22. Bullshit. He has never tailored his message on this issue.
Your projecting your candidate's characteristics onto Obama ... again.
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 05:03 PM
Response to Reply #22
53. my candidate? and WHO is that? I don't have one though
Edited on Thu Nov-15-07 05:05 PM by jonnyblitz
I stick up for Hillary supporters quite often. Obama wouldn't DARE have an "ex-gay" gospel singer go on an anti- gay rant in SAN FRancisco like he did in South Carolina is all I meant. not everything boils down to Hillary vs Obama. jesus christ.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 08:42 PM
Response to Reply #22
71. THis is NOT an HRC v.Obama issue, and making it o is disgenious at best
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 04:12 PM
Response to Reply #4
12. If he said that, that's nice, but it doesn't really matter, does it?
Edited on Thu Nov-15-07 04:14 PM by closeupready
I mean, as Fred says, he had his chance and he blew it. So, what else can he say? He could have shown leadership, and he chose to pander and at best, chose to say nothing (you know that expression about when good men say nothing). He has not demonstrated that he has the fiber of the kind necessary to be president, IMO.

Bill Clinton was going to integrate the military, and instead rolled over. People like me old enough to remember that don't want to be betrayed again. I think that's understandable.
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FreeState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 04:12 PM
Response to Reply #4
13. Did he apologize for marginalizing us with spiritual terrorist yet? N/T
Edited on Thu Nov-15-07 04:13 PM by FreeState
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FredScuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 04:17 PM
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18. or for calling bigots and clowns "moral, decent people"?
n/t
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 04:19 PM
Response to Reply #13
24. Or by declaring bigots as "good, decent, moral people"?
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 04:17 PM
Response to Reply #4
19. Some of our friends here really don't care about Obama's actual positions on LGBT issues...
or care to listen to anyone who still supports him, in spite of this issue, for that matter.

Deaf ears indeed.
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FreeState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 04:19 PM
Response to Reply #19
23. No its Obama that does not care about out the GLBT people that were condemned on stage in his name
if he did he would have apologized already.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 04:25 PM
Response to Reply #23
33. Obama has been very clear on HIS position regarding these issues.
Edited on Thu Nov-15-07 04:25 PM by jefferson_dem
To choose to not listen...is obviously your prerogative.

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FreeState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 04:26 PM
Response to Reply #33
34. Im waiting for his apology - where is it?
It does not matter what his position is - it matters what he DOES.
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dbackjon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 04:55 PM
Response to Reply #33
52. All Obama has done is spew platitudes
He has done nothing concrete or meaningful to help us. Only concrete actions to denigrate us.
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 05:14 PM
Response to Reply #33
56. yeah he has been VERY CLEAR by his actions.
Edited on Thu Nov-15-07 05:15 PM by jonnyblitz
he has been 'clear" ever since he stated that Joe Lieberman was his mentor when he came out against Ned Lamont in 2006. I have had my "opinion" of him since then.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 04:21 PM
Response to Reply #19
25. It's one of those 'can't see the forest for the trees' kind of things.
Obama was warmly embraced and cheered by the LGBT community here in SF.

That speaks volumes.
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FreeState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 04:23 PM
Response to Reply #25
28. LOL
Thanks for the laugh - Its nice to know Im just hung up on one thing - I wont tolerate religion being used against a whole class of people. Yeah thats just a tree in a whole forest. </sarcasm>
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FredScuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 04:23 PM
Response to Reply #25
30. He and his "ex-gay" clown buddy were cheered in SC for spewing homophobic filth
that also speaks volumes
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 04:25 PM
Response to Reply #25
32. Self-selected audience.
Edited on Thu Nov-15-07 04:26 PM by closeupready
He is a good guy, though, I don't mean to make it seem as though he isn't. I'm just disappointed, that's all.
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FredScuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 04:22 PM
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27. We got his ACTUAL position on LGBT rights
Edited on Thu Nov-15-07 04:22 PM by FredScuttle
which was "OBAMA TO GAYS AND LESBIANS: DROP DEAD"

Obama '08: We Need The Votes....By Any Means Necessary
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 04:27 PM
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35. You have your opinion...but let's not lie about his positions on LGBT issues, please.
n/t
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FredScuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 04:39 PM
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41. Who's lying?
Did he or did he not invite an "ex-gay" clown to headline his campaign event? Am I making that up out of thin air?
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 04:55 PM
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51. "actual" as opposed to "demonstrated"?
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dbackjon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 04:52 PM
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48. Why hasn't he introduced legislation to do that yet?
Actions talk far louder than words. Put up, or shut the hell up.
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 04:23 PM
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29. hope you people are paying attention. lots of good advice in this thread re. what you need to do
to make your lives easier.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 04:30 PM
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38. but...ins't pandering and letting politics dictate positions exactly what he accuses Hillary of?
what a hypocrite - I hope a bright light is shone on that tonight
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 04:48 PM
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46. this is old news, and besides
no one outside of DU even knows about this.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 04:49 PM
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47. I keep forgetting. :)
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FredScuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 05:16 PM
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57. Also, don't forget
Hillary has two former Klansmen as her S.C. co-chairs, you Hillary-lover.
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hulklogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 08:20 PM
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68. "we got what we needed to get out of it"
Edited on Thu Nov-15-07 08:20 PM by hulklogan
That screams "we're looking for a sistah soulja moment" to me.

Obama = pathetic

edited my spelling errors
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 08:33 AM
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74. Thank you for your great posts, Bluebear!
:kick:
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 12:48 PM
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76. What Obama's campaign "got out of it" was not worth what they lost from "it".
Clearly, Obama's stealth pandering to homophobes will haunt him from this moment on.

Whatever Obama "got out of it", to use Obama's campaign insider's phrase, was not worth it.
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riqster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 01:15 PM
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77. Peoples' true positions are found in their actions, not their words. nt
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wiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 04:34 AM
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80. Great Post
There has to be some balance with the people posting today.
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