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BornagainDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 06:00 PM
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I'd like to say a little something about Kucinich
Edited on Thu Nov-15-07 06:02 PM by BornagainDUer
and why you should vote for him.

If you've been watching whats going on lately on this board there are alot of mini-scandals that could be big scandals in time, there is alot about political positioning, popularity, experience being a factor, etc. The neo-liberals have to jocky for position and the corporate run press has to go along to make a story, or join in willingly cause its easy. This is why Kucinich is unpopular with the Press--he doesn't play in their rigged game. Kucinich's advantage is that of anybody who knows the truth about matters. There is a peace with knowing and an ability to focus and send a powerful message. Kucinich will not have to keep his nose stuck to the political wind to know which way it is blowing, he can go headlong into the fascists and they will not be able to game the limelight with superficiality. He has an alternative and in the campaign he will stand in stark contrast with the fascists who will inevitably try to muddle through the whole affair with platitudes about protecting America, and other BS.

This country is in a world of hurt and it is going to have to take a new direction.

It is something like what happened after the Crash of 29' when "Ain't we got fun" turned into "Brother can you spare dime?" in the blink of an eye. FDR was loathed by the Right because he challenged the status quo in a fundamental way. Grandaddy Prescott Bush said: "The only man he ever hated, was buried in Hyde Park". The burial place of Roosevelt.
Kucinich is powerful because he doesn't have to worry about the chitchat politics. He, like Roosevelt, speaks directly to the issues and most importantly offers alternatives. People knew the country was in a world of hurt back then as they do now. Kucinich calls the crooked basteeds that robbed the country what they are and said what he is going to do if elected: arrest them.

When asked about the UFO by Russert the other day I would like to have said: "You know, here we have a few minutes between commericials to talk about issues vital to our future and we take it up with this kind of crap!
Let's get serious Tim!"

But that's just me.


None of the other candidates have even come close to the kind of message Kucinich is sending because they are all part of the same system. I know this sounds to some like I'm painting with too broad a brush, but think about it: why aren't the other candidates sticking to the issues and calling for impeachment and/or arrest?
Why? Because they don't intend to arrest anybody, just like Clinton let Poppy go in 92'and has been on a huggy kissy footing ever since.


George Bush said: "Sarah if the American people ever find out what we have done to them, they will chase us down the streets and lynch us".-- George HW Bush, cited in the June, 1992 Sarah McLendon Newsletter
..... .....
"The only thing in the middle of the road are yellow stripes and dead armadilloes"--Hightower

Centrism at a time like this is status quo.

If BushCo is not held accountable the next election means nothing. Attempts at trying to get something passed in Congress with this psychopath in power is like trying to rebuild a burning house before you put out the fire. All energy must be expended to return to the rule of law or else lawlessness will rule.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 06:02 PM
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1. In 1932 FDR ran as a centrist. Balanced budget, 'no' to League of Nations, etc. nt
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BornagainDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 06:06 PM
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3. READ his Inaugural address Mookie, and the speeches before.
The guy attacked the status quo on a fundamental level and that's why they tried the coup.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 06:45 PM
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12. AFTER he was elected. Check out the conservative one he gave in Philly at Franklin Field ...
Edited on Thu Nov-15-07 06:47 PM by MookieWilson
advocating a balanced budget.
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BornagainDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 05:29 PM
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15. Mookie this is specious reasoning. nt
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 06:04 PM
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2. Hillary and Kucinich are last on my 08 list
For different reasons. Good luck with your candidate, but realize that he isn't for everyone. Looking at his small campaign contributions and low poll numbers, I'd say he is for very few people.
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peace13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 06:09 PM
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5. It looks like that when the MSM runs the election
I don't know who you are hoping for next fall but I am guessing that he gets plenty of air time. Kucinich is moving up and if he succeeds it will not be with the help of many here. Peace, Kim
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Rabo Karabekian Donating Member (242 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 06:14 PM
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6. Lots for Dennis
You'd be wrong, he seems to win or come in second and third in any poll of the liberal faithful in the Democratic Party. I'm not suggesting black box voting, but I'm starting to scratch my head as to why he doesn't show up in the 'official' polls. I think the people that pay very close attention (and are well informed) are disproportionately for him, but I'm not sure if that explains all of the low poll numbers.
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 06:25 PM
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7. DU doesn't represent your average Democrat
Go over to Freerepublic and see how everyone rallies around Duncan Hunter who, like Dennis, polls pretty horribly. It isn't due to some conspiracy. Democratic pollsters like Zogby and Republican pollsters like Rasmussen both have Kucinich's numbers pretty darn low. The number of contributers to his campaign is equally unimpressive. The fact that Hillary polls horribly on DU while Dennis leads doesn't make me scratch my head at all, and I am a supporter of neither.
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Rabo Karabekian Donating Member (242 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 06:29 PM
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10. Special Interests Don't Control Dennis
I'll leave Freerepublic for the crazies, that's quite alright. One reason Hillary raises so much money is because she's bought and paid for, I'm not sure quantitatively how much that figures into this. I don't use contributors to a campaign as a measure of anything (only about half the population votes even in Presidential elections!). I don't know that DU is the left's version of Freerepublic, but I guess that's what you're suggesting.
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 06:45 PM
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11. Go compare Freerepublic to DU (if you can stomach it)
They hate their frontrunner, Giuliani
We hate our frontrunner, Clinton
Most of them support someone who has a 0% chance of being nominated, Hunter
Most of us support someonewho has a 0% chance of being nominated, Kucinich
They can't believe that Hunter is doing so poorly in the polls
We can't believe Kucinich is doing so poorly in the polls
If you like Giuliani on Freerepublic, they accuse you of being a rino who is being programmed by msm
If you like Clinton on DU, we accuse you of being a dino who is being programmed by msm
They blame MSM for shoving Giuliani down their throats
We blame MSM for shoving Clinton down our throats
Thompson is their "consensus" candidate, who is running behind MSM'S fav Repubs, Giuliani and Romney
Edwards is our "consensus" candidate, who is running behind MSM's favorite Dems , Barack and Hillary

There are many similarities as far as the election is concerned, imo.

Yes, Hillary has the corporate $, but the number of regular folks donating to Kucinich is pretty unimpressive. Look at Ron Paul, who is as much of an outsider as Dennis, and the large number of individual donors he has. Kucinich will most likely come in @ 6th in the primaries, like he did in 2004. Zogby is suggesting that Ron Paul may actually win NH.
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Rabo Karabekian Donating Member (242 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 06:59 PM
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14. Well It's an Interesting Dichotomy
Well, I'm probably going to end up voting for either Nader or Cynthia McKinney. I guess the Freerethugs will be voting libertarian/Ron Paul or for Pat Buchanan/Constitution Party, ha ha...
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Progressive Friend Donating Member (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 09:06 PM
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18. Actually, Ron Paul and Pat Buchanan aren't very popular amongst the pro-Neocon freepers
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 06:46 PM
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13. Pollsters are too competitive and dislike each other too much to get a good conspiracy going. nt
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 06:27 PM
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9. You're letting the MSM think for you..
you're buying into the meme that he is unelectable...:sarcasm:
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 06:07 PM
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4. I admire Dennis very much
and I agree with him on just about everything except chemtrails and other such woo. I'd vote for him in a heartbeat, just for his single payer health insurance...if I was convinced that he'd have half a chance of getting his programs passed by congress. That's where I'm having a problem.

I can be persuaded differently if someone can show me how that's not going to be a problem.
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Stop Cornyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 06:26 PM
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8. K & R
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 07:30 PM
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16. Too late for an R but here's a K
:kick:

Well said.
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 08:47 PM
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17. Kick.
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