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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 12:51 PM
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Has the DEM race for the nomination distracted from the really pressing problem, the JUNTA?
Edited on Fri Nov-16-07 12:53 PM by L. Coyote
Just a thought. I have yet to watch a debate. I see a lot of energy expended by activists here on DU that will be totally meaningless once the People select their candidate. Should we be careful not to get too drawn into the primary process, at least not at the expense of the more pressing concerns of restoring democracy by opposing the junta's Lies and--dare I use the D word--Deceits?

The Rs seem to control the discourse and spin out deceits daily. I say, first, call them on their BS TODAY! It will better serve our nominee than all the energy expended on debating about the nominee. Example:

LOL. The real TRUTH behind the Republican DECEIT on the FISA debate and the VETO threat.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2294411

In effect, this is a law requiring Bush to report his own crimes :rofl:

Why are Bush and the Rs really in a tizzy? Why the veto threat, and why is team-player Mukasey taking the fall for the veto idea.
Because the House Version passed yesterday "Requires an Audit of the President’s Surveillance Program and Other Warrantless Surveillance Programs"

THE WH SPIN: what is the Administration peddling instead of admitting they oppose having to confess their sins?

.... last night, the White House made its objections known:

"This evening House Democrats passed legislation that would dangerously weaken our ability to protect the nation from foreign threats," ....

"A mere three months ago reasonable Democrats joined with their Republican colleagues to craft a bill that responsibly provides our intelligence professionals the tools they need to protect our Nation and close a dangerous gap in our intelligence. We are disappointed that this kind of bipartisan cooperation was so quickly abandoned."

"Instead, the House Democrat’s bill to reauthorize the Protect America Act fails to give our intelligence community the tools it needs, and it fails to protect companies facing massive lawsuits for allegedly stepping up and answering the Nation’s call for help after the 9/11 terrorist attacks. If this bill is presented to the President in its current form, the director of national intelligence and the president’s other senior advisers will recommend that he veto it."

"The Senate Judiciary Committee also considered legislation to reauthorize the PAA. Not only would this bill reverse the substantial work of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence to provide the tools our intelligence community needs, it ignores the issue of liability protection. This bill would also result in a veto recommendation."

"The bill reported by the Senate Intelligence Committee with strong bipartisan support, while not perfect, would provide our intelligence community the essential authorities they need, and it includes retroactive liability protection. This serious, consensus bill would establish a solid, long-term foundation for our intelligence community’s efforts to target terrorists and other foreign intelligence targets located overseas. It should serve as the basis for congressional legislation that the president could support."
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Fredda Weinberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 12:57 PM
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1. I wish it were just spin. But *our* leaders recognize catch-22
when you see one. Why not focus on necessary sanctions in the legislative arena our party controls? If we want to hold individuals responsible, haul 'em before a duly commissioned council and knock heads. There won't be criminal sanctions if there's compelled testimony ... but sanctions are almost impossible to get when the individuals involved were originally threatened by govt action.

See the conundrum? Cut the Gordian knot and let's organize to regain our liberties. The public gave us a mandate and authority ... I'm enjoying the show.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 01:29 PM
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2. It is a crime to LIE to Congress. This bill audits Bush and he must report to Congress
on all past unwarranted spying. That's really a Catch-22 for them. A veto will be Obstruction of Justice.
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Fredda Weinberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 02:08 PM
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3. Good ... now you're thinking. The civil cases have nothing to do w/it. n/t
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 02:50 PM
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4. Nulling the civil cases have a lot to do with payback for huge campaign contributions.
But the rhetoric is just a continuation of the DECEIT!
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Fredda Weinberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 03:04 PM
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5. Whoah ... we won't get discovery anyhow
No matter what version of FISA passes, civil cases will be dismissed when the questionably legitimate regime claims security privileges.

Trial lawyers, who stand to benefit the most, contribute to both sides, so I don't see this as a partisan debate. As an AT&T customer, I'd rather have lower rates than political payback.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 08:48 PM
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6. Bushco has already invoked State Secrets in these cases. Even in Congress
those on the intelligence comm's are just now seeing the letters to the telecoms. I guess in today's Wash., intelligence means being kept in the dark!
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Fredda Weinberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 11:10 PM
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7. We share frustration. Fortunately, we have found a venue to share
values. I'm seeing progress in my lifetime I didn't expect and we may have better results than the Church hearings.
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