Novak: Agents of Hillary claim 'scandalous information' on Obama; decided not to use it...

Hillary vs. Obama
by Robert Novak

Posted: 11/17/2007

Agents of Sen. Hillary Clinton are spreading the word in Democratic circles that she has scandalous information about her principal opponent for the party's presidential nomination, Sen. Barack Obama, but has decided not to use it. The nature of the alleged scandal was not disclosed.

This word-of-mouth among Democrats makes Obama look vulnerable and Clinton look prudent. It comes during a dip for the front-running Clinton after she refused to take a stand on New York Gov. Eliot Spitzer's now discarded plan to give driver's licenses to illegal aliens.

Experienced Democratic political operatives believe Clinton wants to avoid a repetition of 2004, when attacks on each other by presidential candidates Howard Dean and Richard Gephardt were mutually destructive and facilitated John Kerry's nomination.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=23467

going on the offensive against her with the threat of this "information". Not surprising from Penn and the Clintons.

Don't believe it.

jesus christ almighty. Ann Coulter is a beloved featured columnist there. my far right wing dad used to suscribe to it. t's a disgusting far right rag. :puke:

Rookie mistake. This is the big leagues, Barack.

Never thought I'd see the day. Even in the current Hillary hating environment.

want to make Clinton appear prudent,and Obama appear vulnerable?


Hmmmmm?

it makes her look malevolent, and it makes Obama look like he's hiding a deep dark secret. Two for the price of one.

Geez, that man is a sleaze. He'll do anything to discredit the Democrats. Here he manages to trash both Clinton and Obama. Guilt by implication and speculation.

What a tool.

Mz Pip
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This is part of the ugliness of politics.

This sounds like something that fat fuck would pull. Of course its being "reported" by novak which makes it instantly suspect as far as I'm concerned.

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rocknation

why spread the shit any farther?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=2301867&mesg_id=2301867

It's beyond stupid...

they can't get enough of the far right sources and it's truly sad because I believe there is legitimate criticism of her from a left point of view, criticisms I share. That being said, I refuse to get in bed with a bunch of irrational, off the wall, right wing sourcing conspiracy loons whose rantings have no basis in fact. :crazy:

when i noticed that my fellow hillary critics were going off the deep end and becoming completely irrational with insane conspiracies and other things that had nothing to do with her positions on the issues. I also see anti-hillary types ripping her to shreds and then whining when hillary supporters stick up for her or do the same to their candidate. it's unbelievable.

Novack is not a good guy. It's not just the anti Hillary people going to RW sites. Many of the Hillary 44 stories are right wing sourced.

Here, the question will be if peopel more legit than Novack say they were told this appear. If not, it likely isn't true. (The other possibility is that it is Clinton supporters run amok - like whoever does Hillary 44.

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Is it as good as the Limbaugh Newsletter?


ROTFLMFAO

I wouldn't be surprised about this, if true--that's the way the Clintons fight.

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I wouldn't believe Novak if he told me the sky is blue. He prints what he is told to print.

but if this rumor is being floated by the HRC camp, it is the most insidious of cheese with the insinuation they've got "the dirt" and then trying to claim the high ground by not naming it specifically.

This is precisely what they tried to do to John Kerry in 2004 with the allegation that he was having an affair. I recall Wes Clark saying at a rally that something big was going to come out and take down the Kerry campaign.

It's an insidiously disgusting propaganda campaign.

that is intended to undermine OTHER Democrats.

I would know because I used to be among them.

Oliphant confirmed the rumor-mongering.

http://www.politicalstar.com/john-kerry.html

Anyone who thinks this crap post is truthful should review the discussion in this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3730397

http://www.depauw.edu/news/index.asp?id=13354

And THIS is what many of us have been trying to make clear to Democrats - we were being undermined the last 8 years from within our own party by a few powerful Dems who did not want a Democrat to win.

The Vanity Fair article that quoted Gore's people made it painfully clear that this has been going on deliberately since 1999.

Ignoring this insidious intraparty undermining is detrimental to the health of the Democratic Party, and I hope voters reject it once and for all.

and showed how different the Kerry campaign was in this fake story vs Clinton with any of his similar stories.

Shrum asked Kerry in private and was told by Kerry that he had been faithful to Teresa. When the campaign people spoke of it, one of Kerry's first reactions was to feel sorry for the girl that her name was being dragged through the tabloids.

I had heard that Clark had repeated the story, but had though the source was more likely Chris Lahayne (sp?) - but even that was only rumor.

The Kerry campaign was alos hit by push polls that said that his cancer had returned.

It's the politics of personal destruction that has been coapted by some in the Democratic Party to bulldoze and control.

This is the slimiest thing I have seen. "I know something awful about you but I won't tell you what it is".

Do I believe Hillary etal would do this? YES.

That is why I want them OUT OUT OUT OUT OUT. All of them. I'm tired of everything to do with the Clintons. Sick of the fact that they had 8 years that I feel were squandered.

Sure they caretake ok...but they left us with a hideous health care system, and they could have saved us from global warming if they had a clue. What did they accomplish? A turnaround in the deficit that George Bush was able to completely blow as soon as he got in? What kind of "legacy" is instantly gone?

They BLEW IT. And Bill's stupidity with that moron Monica Lewinsky led directly to George Bush.

I don't care who wins just not Hillary or Bill or Chelsea.

"Agents" = unnamed parties, possibly non-existent parties, even.

"Scandalous information" = still no actual facts to report, because if we did have them, you can bet we'd use them (cf. Valerie Plame).

"The nature of the alleged scandal was not disclosed" = we don't know, actually, what we are talking about (if anything).

"Experienced Democratic political operatives believe" = we still aren't naming anyone for the record, and if these "operatives" are real people, we are reporting what they "believe," i.e., opinions, not facts.

Someone tell me why I should take this douchebag seriously, again?

Three so far.

...certainly loyal to the Communist Party, but who nevertheless are still helping to shape our foreign policy."

That's Joe McCarthy with classic smearing innuendo from February of 1950. At least he had the decency to at least say what he was smearing about.

Joe McCarthy had the decency to stand up in person and smear his enemies, real or imagined; Hillary Clinton has surrogates do it for her.

Joe McCarthy had the decency to specify what calumny his nemeses were guilty of; Hillary Clinton leaves the earth-shattering ugliness to roil in the imaginations of others.

Since she is so "good" (because she repeatedly says she is) we can only conclude that Obama's evil must be of the most scurrilous sort, so it's obvious he's a drug-addicted, kitten-raping, islamist, misogynistic, whitey-hating, murderous, thieving criminal atheist. How dare he show his face in public.

Hillary's deeply and morally ethical not to divulge such heinous FACTS, and does so out of noble self-sacrifice and devotion to the cause of high-tone politickin'.

Even Novak gets it: she'd love to use it, but sees it as politically risky; like everything else in her world, tactical success is the only criterion upon which actions are to be judged. So what's her solution? HAVE IT BOTH WAYS; IT'S THE CLINTON WAY! Break out the whisper brigade, disavow all knowledge, erect an unassailable wall of righteous deniability and fulsome speed ahead!

candidate hatred reaching truly delusional proportions. Make sure your rabies shots are up to date for the safety of the rest of us.

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